Thread: 9/11 was an inside job

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

The real conspiracy here are the facts being changed to fit the narrative.

The 'dancing Israelis' who admitted their part in 9/11. They were also subjected to polygraph test which they failed. No facts changed.

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

9/11 A brief synopsis: According to conspiracy theorists.

Literally, by necessity, thousands of people were involved or complicit in the biggest conspiracy the world has ever known yet not a single one of them has broken ranks or their silence -- also a first in human history -- to fly some planes into some buildings only they didn't actually do it because they were projections of planes, or real planes, or not, or both (it gets a touch confusing here) yet they still managed to pull it off and they would've gotten away with it too but for some pesky kids, their talking dog, and their Internet connections and Googling skillz who managed to uncover the whole thing because they're not sheeple or whatevs and can see the real truth... even if they have to cock their heads and just the right angle and squint just so...

tl;dr version: it was the Joos wot done it.

Yet a formerly rag-tag bunch of Afghan-based jihadi terrorists somehow and suddenly found the resources, training, technical expertise and sophistication to pull all this off so successfully.?

It's not like the CIA have never planned or executed anything like this before: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

The 'dancing Israelis' who admitted their part in 9/11. They were also subjected to polygraph test which they failed. No facts changed.

I think you may have to redress your understanding of the word "admitted".

So anyway, just to be perfectly clear here, Lloyde England also categorically did not confess to being part of a conspiracy / plot on 9/11 by even the most liberal interpretation of the word. That's the determination of a faceless narrator -- who I'm just gonna go ahead and assume isn't qualified in such matters -- because he thought that England's answers on a surreptitious recording 'sounded funny' and quibbling over some semantics and haranguing an old man about his recollections.

So it still remains: the greatest conspiracy theory in the entire history of the planet; involving, at a minimum, thousands of people from the POTUS all the way to a random taxi driver... and still even now all these years later not a single person has broken ranks and admitted their involvement. A first for humanity that one.

Originally Posted by kmart

Yet a formerly rag-tag bunch of Afghan-based jihadi terrorists somehow and suddenly found the resources, training, technical expertise and sophistication to pull all this off so successfully.?

That is somehow more incredulous to you than a massive plot involving thousands of people and the complicity of the US govt? Huh, OK then.

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

The real conspiracy here are the facts being changed to fit the narrative.

Agreed with that.

How were inexperience/novice pilots able to fly airliners with such skill???? Best answer I could find.

Light passenger loads made it easier for the hijackers to maneuver

American 11, bound from Boston to Los Angeles, had 81 passengers on board out of a possible 158, according to the 9/11 report and aircraft data.
United 175, which also left Boston for Los Angeles, had 56 passengers out of a possible 168. That was a "load factor" of 33%, considerably lower than the 49% average for that flight, a federal investigation showed.

Oh look, and now the goal posts will be shifted...






...over here.

^^^Yep, it was only Kennedy stopping them in the 60's that prevented the CIA (and others) from orchestrating terrorist false flags against similar US targets. And we know what happened to JFK.

Operation Northwoods was a proposed false flag operation against the Cuban government that originated within the U.S. Department of Defense (DoD) and the Joint Chiefs of Staff (JCS) of the United States government in 1962. The proposals called for the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) or other U.S. government operatives to commit acts of terrorism against American civilians and military targets, blaming them on the Cuban government, and using it to justify a war against Cuba. The possibilities detailed in the document included the possible assassination of Cuban émigrés, sinking boats of Cuban refugees on the high seas, hijacking planes, blowing up a U.S. ship, and orchestrating violent terrorism in U.S. cities.^[2] The proposals were rejected by John F. Kennedy.^[3][4][5]

Originally Posted by kmart

Yep, it was only Kennedy stopping them in the 60's that prevented the CIA (and others) from orchestrating terrorist false flags against similar US targets. And we know what happened to JFK.

Wait, wot, so now an alleged operation(s) that didn't happen because of JFK is proof of one that did...!?

Because conspiracy theories I suppose.

Here Ant, you being a clever chappie, can you explain this??

As none of the 19 hijackers named appear on ANY of the four passenger/crew flight lists,
how do the FBI know who they are?...They are all DEAD!

Supposedly, but they're not.

^The planning, will, resources, and intention was there. It's obviously not proof, just a glimpse into the mindset of people who work in agencies that now divert billions of dollars into unaccountable projects.

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

Here Ant, you being a clever chappie, can you explain this??

As none of the 19 hijackers named appear on ANY of the four passenger/crew flight lists,
how do the FBI know who they are?...They are all DEAD!

Supposedly, but they're not.

Yes I can explain it: it's an unattributed quote / comment that doesn't really mean anything, likely readily disproved too for anyone that could be arsed.

Now then, back to my original query on this massive conspiracy, why no whistle-blowers...

I do not claim to have all the answers Ant but may be you might have the answers to the hijackers question.

Crew and Passenger Flight Lists:

Not one of the hijackers is listed on ANY of the four lists. None of the crew or passengers
have middle eastern names. CNN Passenger Lists
And yet...
'..officials said they reached that conclusion after assembling information from the flights' passenger lists;
pay telephone records; phoned reports from passengers aboard the hijacked flightsand evidence taken
from the rental car found at Logan Airport.' NY Times, 9/13/01

So how did 'officials' come up with four hijackers on Flight 93, when passengers said there were three?
Where are the passenger lists that have the hijackers names on them?

As for the rental car containing...'an Arabic- language flight manual' and 'names of other suspects'

Yeah right - the 'hijackers' left behind names of their comrades to incriminate them!
To date, 12/21/01 - 50% of news reports say the hijackers DID NOT KNOW each other,
and 50% of news reports say THEY DID. Which is it?
Yeah right - The hijackers conveniently left behind an Arabic flight manuel, to prove their identity and intentions,
along with - as other news reports state - pilot uniforms, a copy of the Koran and a videotape 'How to fly a commercial jet'.

And lets not forget the three copies of the four paged suicide instruction letter, written by a woman on behalf of
Mohammad Atta, - conveniently found in a one way only suicide bombers suitcase (also conveniently left behind),
whilst another copy was discovered virtually intact at the site of the incinerated Pennsylvania plane, crash site.

For christ sake, lets get a grip on reality here! How ******* STUPID does Mr. Bush believe we all are?
ANYONE who believes this outrageous bullshit, needs to see a shrink immediately!

Is all this throwing new and irrelevant random stuff out there in hopes that I’ll forget the actual original point has just been summarily ignored.

Cos I won’t.

Isn't the passport of Atta found in the rubbles a proof enough?

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

Yes I can explain it: it's an unattributed quote / comment that doesn't really mean anything, likely readily disproved too for anyone that could be arsed.

Now then, back to my original query on this massive conspiracy, why no whistle-blowers...

Guantanamo Bay, and other secret prisons around the world. (2 locations here in Thailand already; Thai Secret Prison | 2Bangkok.com)

Set up immediately following 9-11, in the "War On Terror" campaign.

Originally Posted by kmart

Guantanamo Bay, and other secret prisons around the world. (2 locations here in Thailand already; Thai Secret Prison | 2Bangkok.com)

That will surely teach them (or hasn't?)

^^Are you suggesting that the reason not a single person has come forward is that any number of co-conspirators in the 9/11 plot have been jailed in secret prisons under-cover of a post 9/11 "War on Terror" rendition program?

^Yes. Despite different Govt's promising to end this illegal detention centre, and many other "Black Sites" around the world, they are still operating and funded at vast costs. (I think Trump was complaining about the funding recently).

I would add that there a lot of domestic US whistleblowers that have been harrassed and persecuted, with a very low % of claims investigated, whether BS or not.

https://www.whistleblower.org/uncate...leblower-news/

Originally Posted by kmart

^Yes. Despite different Govt's promising to end this illegal detention centre, and many other "Black Sites" around the world, they are still operating and funded at vast costs. (I think Trump was complaining about the funding recently).

Guantánamo Has Cost Billions; Whistleblower Alleges 'Gross' Waste

September 11, 2019

he U.S. military court and prison at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, have cost more than $6 billion to operate since opening nearly 18 years ago and still churn through more than $380 million a year despite housing only 40 prisoners today.

Included in that amount are taxpayer-funded charter planes often flying just a few passengers to and from the island; hundreds of thousands of dollars' worth of government electronic devices intentionally destroyed each year due to spills of classified information; some Pentagon-funded defense attorneys billing about half-a-million dollars a year; and total legal costs of nearly $60 million annually even though Guantánamo has had only one finalized conviction.

Criticism of that spending comes even from inside Guantánamo. A former top attorney there has filed a federal whistleblower complaint alleging "gross financial waste" and "gross mismanagement," NPR has learned.

Retired Air Force Col. Gary Brown also claims that he and the former head of the military court were fired because they were negotiating a controversial cost-saving proposal with defense lawyers: allow Guantánamo prisoners — including Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and his four co-defendants in the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks — to plead guilty in exchange for life in prison rather than face the death penalty. Such plea deals, Brown says, "would stop wasting resources."

Read more
https://www.npr.org/2019/09/11/75952...=1568954666790

So let's say that there was X who was involved in the conspiracy in some way, a security guard who gave access for explosives be planted in the WTC or something like that. So in order to keep him quiet he is then sent by rendition to some secret black site prison? And his friends and family who notice he's missing? Or what if he told some of them about it, are they then imprisoned too? And the people they know and or told... ?

Remember that in order to pull off something of this magnitude we're not talking about a few people here or even a few hundred.

It very quickly gets very fucking ridiculous and beyond any semblance of possibility.

More than a million architects and engineers accept the report on why Building 7 burned and collapsed.

The whackjobs believe the 3,000 odd interior designers that call themselves architects and engineers.

There are more than 600,000 pilots in the US.

The whackjobs believe the few dozen or whatever that are off their meds.

Whackjobs. They don't know how fucking gullible and predictable they are.

It's the mental illness you see.

And "how did they identify the hijackers".

Oh I don't know, it's not like airports have a fucking shitload of CCTV or anything, is it?

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

More than a million architects and engineers accept the report on why Building 7 burned and collapsed.

one million? why stop there and go for 2 millions architects and engineers? surely more Engineers means more irrefutable truth, right? because 1000 wouldn't have been enough?

god what a gullible muppet you make

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

ore than a million architects and engineers accept the report on why Building 7 burned and collapsed.

The whackjobs believe the 3,000 odd interior designers that call themselves architects and engineers.

There are more than 600,000 pilots in the US.

Wondering how many out of them have the guts to pronounce publicly what they think? In fact, they are in the land of free speech, aren't they?

However, at the end of the day, they have the mortgage to pay, son and daughter in the college, and the new car hasn't been paid off yet...