Thread: "I had other priorities in the '60s than military service."

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

The US military had essentially won militarily in Vietnam in 1968. The war was subsequently lost in Washington DC largely thanks to people like John Kerry and Hanoi Jane.

Is this a first instance of the losers rewriting history?

Originally Posted by Milkman

Mr Earl that's debatable. It was an issue of legitimacy and foreign influence as well as many things. It was also an insurgency to a large degree.

This is a complicated issue.

Military doesn't translate into political sometimes.

I agree and that the Americans really didn't understand their enemy.

I'm afraid the situation in Iraq might looking more and more like Vietnam.
The defeatists must be jumping up and down with glee!

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

I'm afraid the situation in Iraq might looking more and more like Vietnam. The defeatists must be jumping up and down with glee!

wtf?

four years later, you've finally reached this conclusion?

and the people who in 2003 accurately predicted what would happen are not only 'defeatists' but also taking pleasure in the death and destruction that they tried to prevent?

pathetic.

Originally Posted by raycarey

and the people who in 2003 accurately predicted what would happen are not only 'defeatists' but also taking pleasure in the death and destruction

Naw...prefer to call 'em what they really are: Cut & Run Defeatists...

Hehe, at hindsight, who has inhabited the 'fever swamps' of delusion for the past 4 years, with their naive belief in everything the demented Bush propaganda machine fed their emotionally insecure patriotic egos?

Originally Posted by stroller

Hehe, at hindsight, who has inhabited the 'fever swamps' of delusion for the past 4 years, with their naive belief in everything the demented Bush propaganda machine fed their emotionally insecure patriotic egos?

Never miss a chance for a little anti-american hate mongering do you?

The hindsight would be more along the lines of what the reality of the situation on the ground is in Iraq.
The question that should be asked is how do they stop the flow of increasingly sophisticated weapons from Iran?

Versus the flow of increasing numbers of soldiers and sophisticated weapons from the U.S.?

Here are the facts on the ground: 1.) Cheney is a social conservative but his son-in-law is a turkey-baster 2.) His poll ratings are lower than those of wife-killer O.J. Simpson 3.) He appears in public about as often as Bin Laden. 4.) He is helping to spend the U.S. treasury into bankruptcy while hedging against the dollar by investing tens of millions of his own dollars in foreign currency mutual funds. He's not even worth talking about.

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

Never miss a chance for a little anti-american hate mongering do you?

I haven't said anything against 'America', just pointing out how naive and malleable some folks have been, not to say hypocritical as in attacking the ones pointing it out instead of humbly facing their past mistakes.

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

I'm afraid the situation in Iraq might looking more and more like Vietnam.

you must be coming down from your patriotic Kool Aid trip you were having in 2003.

Faux news is a powerful drug.

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

It's just shows to me how stuck in one space many liberals seems to be. Michael Moore is similarly stuck in the year 2000....along with Al Gore and a host of others boneheads. Some of them seem still stuck in 1970 like Jihad Jane.

Doesn't the 'straw man' routine get a little old? If anyone criticizes the morons in the White House, simply brand him as a 'liberal' who loves high taxes, welfare, abortion, flag-burning, illegal immigrants, Michael Moore, Jane Fonda, surrendering to Alqaeda and giving rapists early parole. It's a logical fallacy because straw men never really exist. Disgust with Bush comes from many parts of the political spectrum. Your routine is boring and nobody buys it except those who actually engage in this pointless exercise. Talking heads at Fox have become millionaires off of the straw man fallacy, catering to people who simply want a reaffirmation of their own ignorance.

Originally Posted by floorpotato

Doesn't the 'straw man' routine get a little old?

clearly you are new here.

Originally Posted by floorpotato

Talking heads at Fox have become millionaires off of the straw man fallacy, catering to people who simply want a reaffirmation of their own ignorance.

Originally Posted by floorpotato

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

It's just shows to me how stuck in one space many liberals seems to be. Michael Moore is similarly stuck in the year 2000....along with Al Gore and a host of others boneheads. Some of them seem still stuck in 1970 like Jihad Jane.

Doesn't the 'straw man' routine get a little old? If anyone criticizes the morons in the White House, simply brand him as a 'liberal' who loves high taxes, welfare, abortion, flag-burning, illegal immigrants, Michael Moore, Jane Fonda, surrendering to Alqaeda and giving rapists early parole. It's a logical fallacy because straw men never really exist. Disgust with Bush comes from many parts of the political spectrum. Your routine is boring and nobody buys it except those who actually engage in this pointless exercise. Talking heads at Fox have become millionaires off of the straw man fallacy, catering to people who simply want a reaffirmation of their own ignorance.

Doesn't the so called "straw man" cliché seem a rather ignorant retort.
It's a plain fact that many liberals are salivating at the idea that Bush's efforts in Iraq will be reward by a humiliating defeat. They just can't wait to say "see what we told you".
I still don't see how your contribution here is anything other than defeatist and appeasing of terrorists.
The current escalating fiasco in Iraq is a direct result of Iranian military intervention. Clear headed people will be able to see this has seriously complicated the US mission.

Floor-tater/rip van winkle it's time you wake up too! It's the 2007 not the year 2000! Please try to keep up. The threats to western civilization are quite real.

Originally Posted by raycarey

It's a plain fact that many liberals are salivating at the idea that Bush's efforts in Iraq will be reward by a humiliating defeat.

fact, huh?

They just can't wait to say "see what we told you".

who's waiting?

The current escalating fiasco in Iraq is a direct result of Iranian military intervention.

hmmmm.... here i was thinking it was a direct result of the invasion. silly me.

The threats to western civilization are quite real.

just like '24'....tick, tick, tick.

What a lovely merry-go-round!

again for you Ray if you can't keep up with the current news out of the US and Iraq perhaps you should reserve comment till you have a salient contribution.
Read up on the latest actions of the US congress and the recent capture of Iranian military personnel and sophisticated Iranian weapons in Iraq.
De-nile isn't just a river in Egypt!

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

Doesn't the so called "straw man" cliché seem a rather ignorant retort.

Not if you know what "strawman" means.
It's explained quite well here:
Straw man - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Originally Posted by stroller

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

Doesn't the so called "straw man" cliché seem a rather ignorant retort.

Not if you know what "strawman" means.
It's explained quite well here:
Straw man - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I stand by my logic and my argument.
The mere use of a cliché like "straw-man" to refute my point hardly refutes
it!
You can't refute it so you bring up the 'straw-man" smoke screen. Try again. It's wasn't worthy even for you.

The current escalating fiasco in Iraq is a direct result of Iranian military intervention. Clear headed people will be able to see this has seriously complicated the US mission.

Clear headed people will be able to see that the whole mission was a failure from the start due to incompetence in planning and execution. You cannot pin that on the Democrats, Jane Fonda, Jimmy Carter, Skylab, or Iran.

FCOL. If we can't fight Iranians in Iraq we'd damn sure better stay the hell out of Iran.

Miserable failure. Brought to us by the letters G, W, and B.

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

I stand by my logic and my argument.
The mere use of a cliché like "straw-man" to refute my point hardly refutes
it!
You can't refute it so you bring up the 'straw-man" smoke screen. Try again. It's wasn't worthy even for you.

You know, re your earlier post, you've brought Michael Moore up ad nauseum, completely out of context and trying to pin some notion of what he stands for, in your universe, on various members here and "liberals" in general, it's your fav strawman.

It's repeatedly been refuted in various threads before.

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

The only wackos talking about going into Iran right now are the hysterical left wing blogs.
The Bush administration is applying diplomatic pressure and the Iranian government is squirming.
The Iranian fanatics and the fanatic Bush haters are desperate to see America fail. All the knee jerk theatrics from our politicians are just that, knee jerk theatrics. These theatrics actually give hope and comfort to our enemies and cost the lives of soldiers and innocent civilians in Iraq.
Surasak You should be very proud to back such a horse.

Another logic fallacy, of the same kind: since these people say similar things to what you say, your position must be identical to theirs. They are wrong, and you must be as well. It's a variation of strawman.

Change the record, Earl.

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

The only wackos talking about going into Iran right now are the hysterical left wing blogs.
The Bush administration is applying diplomatic pressure and the Iranian government is squirming.

Two aircraft carriers and the release of a dossier blaming Iran on supplying Iraqis with weapons and bombs are hardly what I would called 'diplomatic pressure.'

Two carrier groups are not an invasion force. The US doesn't have the manpower for an invasion of Iran.
I see you haven't been paying attention to recent actions of the IAEA and the UN regarding Iran!
You really need to get out more.(away from your wacko lefty blogs).

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

Two carrier groups are not an invasion force. The US doesn't have the manpower for an invasion of Iran.

Very true - the US doesn't even have the manpower for an invasion of Iraq!