Thread: Maybe the worst sitting President ever....

I would have thought it's up to you to substantiate your figure of 50-60.000, not to others to disprove it.

Originally Posted by stroller

I would have thought it's up to you to substantiate your figure of 50-60.000, not to others to disprove it.

50-60,000 is a far cry from the 600,000 number ill informed anti-war protesters are chanting!

The British medical Journal Lancet, after the first year of the war, calculated nearly 100,000 deaths. I quote the article, copied and pasted:
"The Lancet 2006; 368:1421-1428
DOI:10.1016/S0140-6736(06)69491-9
ArticlesMortality after the 2003 invasion of Iraq: a cross-sectional cluster sample survey

Prof Gilbert Burnham MD, Prof Riyadh Lafta MD, Shannon Doocy PhD Les Roberts PhD

Summary

BackgroundAn excess mortality of nearly 100 000 deaths was reported in Iraq for the period March, 2003–September, 2004, attributed to the invasion of Iraq. Our aim was to update this estimate."
So, 2+ years later, can we do the math on how many more have died? Or is Lancet lying, as all the other critics of Dubblya's War Of Terror are accused of, by people who care not about dead Iraqi's, dead International GI's, or have their heads too deep in the sand to do any independant thinking, or research.

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

the 600,000 number

this is the very first time i have seen this number in relation to deaths in iraq....where have you seen it earl?

The Lancet report is old news, and has been disproved long ago.

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

50-60,000 is a far cry from the 600,000 number ill informed anti-war protesters are chanting!

Oops, correct. It's the bodycount number surasak was referring to, not dead US soldiers - my mistake.

Originally Posted by raycarey

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

the 600,000 number

this is the very first time i have seen this number in relation to deaths in iraq....where have you seen it earl?

600,000 was the number being bantered about during the recent anti-war protests in Washington DC.
Has a catchy ring to it doesn't it "600,000 dead Iraqis"?

The Lancet study didn't measure direct deaths caused by U.S. bombs or bullets.

They simply stated that if some Iraqi died between 2003 - 2006 because of lack of medicine, food, poor sanitation, dirty water, etc. it might have been due to the war. If someone suffered a disease and couldn't get enough aspirin and died it would have been blamed on the war. The question they were asking was: would these people have lived to this day if the U.S. had not invaded in 2003?

Anyone who really read the report would have known this.

Yeah, it didn't count just the number of casualties of war, i.e. violent deaths, and thus discredited since 'other' casualties are something a bit ephemeral and not suited for comparisons.

Originally Posted by thaimat

What a callous, revolting comment, that 600,000 deaths "has a nice ring to it".

I see that irony might be too subtle for you.

"has a nice ring to it" for the raging moonbat protesters!!

Your attempt at sarcasm's subtleties, or lack therof, aside, I found the comment ghoulish and inapropriate when talking of 600,000 people dying unnaturally.

Originally Posted by thaimat

If war deaths are only counted if by bomb or bullet, then I guess many of the millions of Jews, who died of startvation, dehydration, and disease, or Russians who froze in the siege of Stalingrad, weren't war deaths.

The Jews indeed weren't war deaths, they were victims of the holocaust.

Originally Posted by thaimat

The Lancet, in Oct 2006, went back and in detail reevaluated all the data, and recounted. In this report, they estimate 654,965 deaths of Iraqis due to the invasion.

Sorry, my mistake, I haven't read the 2006 report, I was referring to the earlier one, which was widely criticised at the time - I don't have a link at hand.

Originally Posted by thaimat

Your attempt at sarcasm's subtleties, or lack therof, aside, I found the comment ghoulish and inapropriate when talking of 600,000 people dying unnaturally.

First of all the 600K number is inaccurate.
So you are buying into the 600K figure like the rest of the protesting moonbats?
Or have you just completely missed the point during your current attack of myopia?

60,000, or 600,000,(as The Lancet estimates), either number is an abomination. To attempt wit about it shows the callousness towards life that has become an earmark of Bush and followers. To invade another country under false pretexts, (anybody remember the weapons of mass destruction theory? Or Bush, Rice, Rumsfeld and Cheney 'constantly' referring to Saddam and Bin Laden in the same sentence?) and tens or hundreds of thousands of civilians die as a result is pure barbaric evil. To remove a stable government, and open the door for regional extremist governments to exert influence, even control, over Iraq where they previously had none is simply idiotic foreign policy, unless chaos is the goal, as it's better for business.
Bush's legacy will be a black mark on the soul of Amerika, and I, as an American, am ashamed of the country.

Originally Posted by thaimat

Bush's legacy will be a black mark on the soul of Amerika, and I, as an American, am ashamed of the country.

No need to take personal responsibility for this. As a German I don't feel shame for the Nazi past either - well, maybe a little bit, it is a collective heritage.

Originally Posted by thaimat

...unless chaos is the goal, as it's better for business...

....very beneficial to promoting increased defense spending when it's not necessary.

Originally Posted by surasak

Originally Posted by thaimat

...unless chaos is the goal, as it's better for business...

....very beneficial to promoting increased defense spending when it's not necessary.

Not to mention the juicy reconstruction, security, maintainence contracts to be had, and jet/tank/truck fuel, bombs, bullets, to be sold, all by your cronies.

^^^^Should we welcome thaiquila to the issues forum?

And what do the American people get? Why, the checkbin, of course. The long term dead weight of over a trillion dollars of debt sinking the economy and weakening their dollar, plus dead American boys in body bags, and the soothing lubricant that makes the total reaming justifyable- the sure knowledge that a bad guy was done in.

....while in two years Bush and Cheney get to walk away and have 24/7 protection the rest of their lives.

Originally Posted by attaboy

^^^^Should we welcome thaiquila to the issues forum?

Yeah, what happened to old TQ ?

I fear the worst, some of the fascist thugs from jane and the pit may have gotten together and clubbed him to death!

He talked about retiring to Thailand, maybe CM with Boon

Originally Posted by attaboy

^^^^Should we welcome thaiquila to the issues forum?

I thought that anti-american bush hating vitriol seemed familiar.