Maybe the worst sitting President ever....

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Originally Posted by Boon Mee

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Originally Posted by Mr Earl

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Originally Posted by stroller

B...but Saddam attacked the US on 9/11 and was on the brinck of launching his nucelar WMDs, how can the Iraq invasion be seen as anything negative? It's the fault of the commie traitors and liberal media that Bush hasn't succeeded! :p

I am afraid they'll learn NOTHING!

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Your failure to acknowledge the threat of islamic extremism colors your entire perspective.
The brutal and painful facts that islamic extremism exists and threatens everyone are pretty evident. You have to be drunk, stoned, stupid, or painfully obtuse not to see the evidence which manifests itself every day.

The media lost the Vietnam war, things have changed since then. So don't go counting your chickens;) just yet!

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Mr. Earl is the most articulate poster on this here forum.
Excellent post, sir!:cool:

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I have to agree that Mr. Earl is clever and articulate. However, many of his "brutal and painful facts" are not facts at all. The book "Dying To Win: The Logic Of Suicide Terrorism" studies the psyches of all suicide terrorists with knowable histories (over 400 of them). The conclusion: they are actually not very religious at all, in fact they're fairly Westernised. Though Middle Easterners, their common thread is not religious fanaticism, it is a feeling that Western countries (and India) are stepping on their turf. It's a scholarly study whose results even surprised it's author, Robert Pape. Bush supporters can be a clever but denial-ridden bunch.

Nice to see you support someone else's ideas. But how can you support the statement that the media lost the Vietnamese war. What's the matter? Can't handle the truth? Let's not show the nasty Americans kicking the shit out of innocent Vietnamese. Let's show the people how horrid those commies are. I'm sure the Americans would have strolled it if they'd done that.......NOT!

Don't know about you, but my daily life is NOT interrupted by islamist extremists, and apart from 9/11, the average American has NEVER been terrorised by anyone apart from their own twisted citizens.

let's remind everyone here that when the tanks from Ho Chi Min started rolling into Saigon, they were welcomed as "liberators" by the Saigon locals, they were not fighting or resistance, only cheering.

Only a few American "collaborators" were desperate to leave, even if it meant to make it to the last chopper on that roof. In reality, they were just being silly cowards.

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Originally Posted by Wallace

Don't know about you, but my daily life is NOT interrupted by islamist extremists, and apart from 9/11, the average American has NEVER been terrorised by anyone apart from their own twisted citizens.

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Don't know about you but my life is certainly disrupted by Muslim terrorists. I'm on a plane every 14 days and it sucks...:o

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Originally Posted by floorpotato

Bush supporters can be a clever but denial-ridden bunch.

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...and denying that Bush lied and negating the effectiveness of the propaganda machine which made Americans believe what I stated tongue-in-cheek is part of this. :)

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Originally Posted by stroller

I stated tongue-in-cheek is part of this. :)

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Too late to try and save face now, bud!:D

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Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Don't know about you but my life is certainly disrupted by Muslim terrorists. I'm on a plane every 14 days and it sucks...

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That is due to an overreaction to a perceived threat by the authorities. ;)

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Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Too late to try and save face now, bud!

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Ye didn't think I believe Saddam was responsible for 9 /11 - or did you? :party43:

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Originally Posted by stroller

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Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Too late to try and save face now, bud!

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Ye didn't think I believe Saddam was responsible for 9 /11 - or did you?

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We're not taking that line that far although he did give sanctuary to bin Laden's boy and there were al Qaeda training camps within Iraq...:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Boon Mee

although he did give sanctuary to bin Laden's boy and there were al Qaeda training camps within Iraq...

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He did? There were?

You have proof of that then, presumably?

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Originally Posted by Boon Mee

We're not taking that line that far

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Oh but I bet you did at first, didn't you :) Then it was Saddam has WMD... then 'We need to liberate Irak'...

Hook. Line. Sinker.

I'd be pretty peeved if my Govt. continually fed me a line of bullshite, moreso if I actually fell for it :rolleyes: (that's just for you :) )

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Originally Posted by Boon Mee

my life is certainly disrupted by Muslim terrorists

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no your life is disrupted by your stupid government. Deal with it, that's what you wanted all along.

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Originally Posted by AntRobertson

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Originally Posted by Boon Mee

although he did give sanctuary to bin Laden's boy and there were al Qaeda training camps within Iraq...

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He did? There were?

You have proof of that then, presumably?

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Google is your friend...:cool:

These lies have been exposed at nauseum, including declassified documents last year, pal.
...seems your blogs failed to report this. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by stroller

These lies have been exposed at nauseum, including declassified documents last year,

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Are you sure, pal?:D
Too widely reported in the Lamestream Media to be bogus...;)

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Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Google is your friend...

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In the normal course of events, Boon Mee, if you make a claim the onus is on you to support it by recourse to objective fact. You'll notice the operative wording there is "objective fact" - that then of course would expressly exclude rumour, innuendo, supposition and opinion. The stock-in-trade of Blogs for example.

Likewise, in the normal course of events, I wouldn't really feel compelled to point any of this out. It really does go without saying.

You are clearly a special case however.

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Originally Posted by floorpotato

. However, many of his "brutal and painful facts" are not facts at all.

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How is the fact that a fundamentalist islamic republic like Iran who supports and arms terrorists like hezbola to the tune of more than 100 million dollars a year not a painful and brutal fact? How can you say that such country like the Islamic republic of Iran not to be representative of Islam. No matter what they say in the book you've mentioned your argument defies logic for me.
Is it true that their president Ahmadinejad who consorts with human rights champions like Hugo Chavez and Fidel Castro is simply misquoted and misunderstood?

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The book "Dying To Win: The Logic Of Suicide Terrorism" studies the psyches of all suicide terrorists with knowable histories (over 400 of them). The conclusion: they are actually not very religious at all, in fact they're fairly Westernised. Though Middle Easterners, their common thread is not religious fanaticism, it is a feeling that Western countries (and India) are stepping on their turf. It's a scholarly study whose results even surprised it's author, Robert Pape. Bush supporters can be a clever but denial-ridden bunch.

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Perhaps this book bears reading. But if the conclusion is as you state I can only ask myself who is really in denial?
I would love to read the passage that supports this statement: "in fact they're fairly Westernised. ":rolleyes:

Westernized people aren't usually programed to become homicide bombers

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Originally Posted by AntRobertson

You are clearly a special case however.

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You got that right!:D
Give it a break. The dissemination re. training camps & bin Laden's boy has been widely reported in MSM for several years now.:cool:

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Originally Posted by stroller

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Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Don't know about you but my life is certainly disrupted by Muslim terrorists. I'm on a plane every 14 days and it sucks...

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That is due to an overreaction to a perceived threat by the authorities. ;)

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Pre 9/11: Very lax airport security.
Post 9/11: Dramatically increased security.

9/11 just a "perceived threat"!
Increased airport security an over reaction!

Either you are trolling for a reaction from me or you are plain stupid.

It kind of boils down to that.

We've been having this same stupid fucking argument for several years now.

The foundations for your statements are based in conspiracy theories and pathological anti-americanism and Bush hating.
There still is no evidence GWB lied and regardless of how many times you repeat it you and your lefty bloggers fail to gather the evidence!

Facts are there is evidence that Bush didn't lie and that 9/11 was colossal interagency intelligence failure.

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Originally Posted by Mr Earl

There still is no evidence GWB lied and regardless of how many times you repeat it you and your lefty bloggers fail to gather the evidence! Facts are there is evidence that Bush didn't lie and that 9/11 was colossal interagency intelligence failure

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So where are the WMD? Where is the evidence that Iraq/Saddam were behind 9/11? Where was the 'imminent danger' of an attack from Iraq on the US? Why has it been forgotten the US was taken to war on false pretences?

All conveniently changed to 'the need to liberate Iraq and bring freedom to her people' that's where/why.

Pre-9/11 was clearly a case of failure on the behalf of several intelligence agencies. Post-9/11 was also a failure, but one of omission and distortion.

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Originally Posted by Mr Earl

9/11 just a "perceived threat"!

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9/11 was an event.
The perceived threat is that there's an army of suicidal Islamists out there wanting to hijack planes at every possible opportunity, the overreaction every passenger with a pen-kmife or can of coke is a potential terrorist.

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Originally Posted by Mr Earl

The foundations for your statements are based in conspiracy theories and pathological anti-americanism and Bush hating.

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What conspiracy theory? What does "Bush hating" have to do with airport security?

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Originally Posted by stroller

What conspiracy theory? What does "Bush hating" have to do with airport security?

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Do I really have to spell it out?

9/11= government conspiracy for power grab. (recall all the analogies re. the Reich-stag fire prior to Hitler seizing power) (recall all the Bush/Hilter analogies!)

Current TSA security measures are a huge imposition on personal liberty. They have ridiculous power over you when you enter an airport. You better not say "boo"!

Do I really need to continue?

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Originally Posted by Mr Earl

9/11= government conspiracy for power grab. (recall all the analogies re. the Reich-stag fire prior to Hitler seizing power) (recall all the Bush/Hilter analogies!)

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I didn't say anywhere that the Bush admin was behind 9/11, you are confusing me with someone else.
I do think the Bush admin used the event to further their agenda, the rhetoric and propaganda they used is comparable to that of the Nazis - IMO and that of many others. :D

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Originally Posted by Mr Earl

Current TSA security measures are a huge imposition on personal liberty.

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Yes, even Boon Mee is complaining...:)

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Originally Posted by stroller

I didn't say anywhere that the Bush admin was behind 9/11, you are confusing me with someone else.

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I know but that is the road one travels every time this subject is addressed.

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I do think the Bush admin used the event to further their agenda, the rhetoric and propaganda they used is comparable to that of the Nazis - IMO and that of many others. :D

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And you are entitled to having your opinions, just don't confuse them with fact.
Just because a few others share the same opinions still doesn't make it fact.

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Originally Posted by Mr Earl

Current TSA security measures are a huge imposition on personal liberty.

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Yes, even Boon Mee is complaining...:)[/QUOTE]

Hey but we suck it up and move along.
Do you hear me whining about about the lack of certain liberties we have here in Thailand?
It's not a perfect world. But why should we just bend over when Islamic extremists say they want to fuck us?

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Originally Posted by Mr Earl

But why should we just bend over when Islamic extremists say they want to fuck us?

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They are already. Tighting your ass will not stop anything and it will just hurt you more.

Hint: restrictions of your liberty.

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Originally Posted by Mr Earl

But why should we just bend over when Islamic extremists say they want to fuck us?

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well dunno man but giving up the freedoms we are supposed to be protecting seems like bending over to me.