The dating scene in England...is there something I'm missing here?

In just over two years back in England I have been out and about..pubs, clubs, singles nights, salsa nights, basically in a position to chat up girls to go on dates, or just have 'gigs'. But, my silver tongue seems to have a rather different effect over here.

Many of my proven chosen words have raised one or two eyebrows or made one or two girls shy away. What am I doing wrong? Uglier guys are getting chicks with lesser conversation pieces (I have overheard a few). In some cases, I am made to feel like a leper, useless, inept. Going home alone can be hard on the ego when you've set out to get otherwise.

Don't get me wrong, I have been successful at times, and I'll admit that if it was Thailand I wouldn't have touched those girls in a million years. They weren't pig ugly, but neither were they oil painting material.

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Being out of practise on the UK dating scene is obviously a factor. Society here deems the male species useless and inferior, and media influence / imagery is not as conservative as it is back in Thailand. Girls give out numbers to send you flirty texts with no intention of meeting up with you, the exchange of emails leads to suggestive, flirtatious chat online, but that's as far as it goes. I was looked on as wierd for trying to instigate a meeting, in person, 'live', so to speak.

I've obviously missed out on a few new social habits in my time away.

Have I just had it too easy in almost seven years of living in Thailand? I don't mean the easy option, you know what I mean (bargirls), and let's not go there. I mean obtaining a 'date' and then going out on it. With some Thai girls, it's sometimes better that the command of english is low, as I hate too much in depth conversation in advance.

It's easy to say that western women have become too loud, demanding, risque, drunk, overweight, and whatever else 'girl power' created, and I do blame that quite a bit. Before I left the UK in 2002, my pulling skills were no different to when I was in Thailand.
I get a far far better response from foreign ( I hate that word ) girls, that's true. Plenty of east European, Chinese, Indian, a few Thai, Filipino.

Then again I am in Cornwall.

London is a totally different story, I'm as good in London as I was in Bangkok, but I'm almost 300 miles from there. The plan is to be back living in London within the year, and then I won't be moaning like this.

( I hope )

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Originally Posted by DJ Pat

What am I doing wrong?

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Self esteem can work wonders.

As far as things being different 10 years ago, you are ten years older now.
Unless you're loaded and throwing a bit of cash around in a classier joint your just an old fart.

or a failed DJ.

who want to date British girls ? isn't that why you English try to escape England in the first place ? that and the weather of course, but it's related somehow. Miserable weather make the local women miserable,

BF has a point. It's only a hop, skip and a jump to France, and French women are, 'ow you say?
'OT .

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Originally Posted by Butterfly

who want to date British girls ? isn't that why you English try to escape England in the first place ? that and the weather of course, but it's related somehow. Miserable weather make the local women miserable,

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Well observed. And I fully agree. British girls can be a bit too full of themselves in many cases, and just over the channel in Europe the class is much higher.

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Originally Posted by DJ Pat

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Originally Posted by Butterfly

who want to date British girls ? isn't that why you English try to escape England in the first place ? that and the weather of course, but it's related somehow. Miserable weather make the local women miserable,

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Well observed. And I fully agree. British girls can be a bit too full of themselves in many cases, and just over the channel in Europe the class is much higher.

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the guys chatting them up have probably seen them before. Even if it was one time, that helps.

Your odds are 15 or 20 to one. For every 20 girls u talk to, 1 will pan out. That goes for anyone really whether they admit it or not.

We all know the insecure resident liars of the forum that will say otherwise but fuck them.

ask smeg how he does it - or do you need to buy a bmw and a yacht

Maybe they want a full sized penis in them?

^ Ok Marmite, given your height and size, I would imagine a can of Vim hanging between your legs.

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Originally Posted by socal

We all know the insecure resident liars of the forum that will say otherwise but fuck them.

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Yeah, agreed.

I suppose changes in society over the years have created a new breed of 'alpha' females, though these can be very attractive if they have the looks and figure. They can also be very hard work, under no circumstances should you ever show any weakness or emotion and don't ever be romantic or even nice you will be called a woman or a poof by them.

I don't quite know where western women are going with this attitude, I don't think it's really been thought through properly. Like the rest of society we're just wondering aimlessly off the path that doesn't lead anywhere with our heads in a cloud of advertising and materialism, becoming more and more detached from nature and not having a clue who we are or where we are going - yet we have the audacity to call it progress, I guess because time moves forward so surely humanity must too right?

Wrong, and the scales never seem to be balanced. The only thing more unattractive than a 'ladette' seeking to intimidate a man is a subservient woman seeking to be a good traditional wife.

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Originally Posted by The Gentleman Scamp

I don't quite know where western women are going with this attitude,

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because men are weak, British men in particular

French and Italians don't have that problem,

No, they have a different problem, delusions of sophistication - much like the modern Bangkok girl who adopts the hiso frame of mind.

I've met you a few times Butterfly and, no disrespect, but you're about as sophisticated as a whoopee cushion.

The old rule of "be mean and keep 'em keen" worked for me every time in the western world.

Until I met my current Thai mrs, I've no need to be a cnut to her.

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Originally Posted by The Gentleman Scamp

I don't quite know where western women are going with this attitude, I don't think it's really been thought through properly.

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They are going in the direction where they have to buy sex in order to get it.
Is that bad for us males? :mid:

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Originally Posted by Butterfly

French and Italians don't have that problem,

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Very much like Thais, just in Europe.

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Originally Posted by The Gentleman Scamp

you're about as sophisticated as a whoopee cushion

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what's a whoopee cushion ?

YouTube - 20 sounds of Whoopee cushions

English please, I don't understand youtube

or are you saying that your work is as good as a whoopee cushion ?

Well Pat, maybe you're making the classic mistake of targeting women at the top of the food chain, the ones who are sort of attractive and still bare a vague similarity to something female. If you want to improve your chances you should become a bottom feeder and target the women who look like the British armys next secret weapon of mass destruction. Just ply them and yourself with liberal amounts of hard alcohol then at the end of the evening all you have to do is find a van and a forklift to get them home with and you're all set.

Alternatively, just pretend you're still in Thailand and simply translate your tried and tested chat up lines into English. Here are a few starters :

' Hi, fancy coming back to my place for an all night Som Tam session '

' I know a great bamee stand near here ..... let's py dooay gan !

' I'm driving to Nong Kai tomorrow and need some company to order the food '

' Nah, of course I'm not an English teacher.....I've got a real job as a DJ. '

try the canteen at tescos, the kitchen staff do great sloppy seconds there.

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Originally Posted by Koojo

BF has a point. It's only a hop, skip and a jump to France, and French women are, 'ow you say?
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You've got to be kidding. Virtually no difference at all, between the two countries on that front.

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Originally Posted by DJ Pat

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Originally Posted by Butterfly

who want to date British girls ? isn't that why you English try to escape England in the first place ? that and the weather of course, but it's related somehow. Miserable weather make the local women miserable,

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Well observed. And I fully agree. British girls can be a bit too full of themselves in many cases, and just over the channel in Europe the class is much higher.

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Yea sure Pat. Pig ignorant, full of themselves, and smelly as fok.

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Originally Posted by The Gentleman Scamp

No, they have a different problem, delusions of sophistication - much like the modern Bangkok girl who adopts the hiso frame of mind.

I've met you a few times Butterfly and, no disrespect, but you're about as sophisticated as a whoopee cushion.

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Coming from a country where mime artists are still all the rage, what do you expect.

I think you should put a bit of makeup on (bit of eyeliner/mascara), some sexy black clothes, big boots and head to your nearest goth/rock hangout. If you look cool and freaky enough you shouldn't have any problems attracting the attentions of women who will probably be less ignorant (than the masses) and more into the kinky stuff that you like.