Jomtien Bakers Oven - Pies and stuff

[dirtydog]

I know, i have been trying to beat this into him, I have enough poor friends already, rich friends take me to nice places that I personally wouldn't waste my money on, he has the personality to run the place and is a great bloke, but, business is foking hard, you got to start making money as quick as possible, will he do it? Thats what this thread is all about, 95 percent of farangs here aint even got the balls to start a business, lets see how it goes.

[rawlins]

It has to be tough for a lot of these shop-house businesses to make a decent turnover in Pattaya... There seems to be so much competition already and not enough customers going around...

That new shopping centre on 2nd Road (The Avenue) has already had a couple of restuarants shut shop due to lack of customers...

Best of luck to him though... I stay close to the darkside 'Bakers Oven' on Nern Pleb Wan - haven't tried the pies yet but the bacon and cumberland sausages were spot on..

[peterpan]

95 percent of farangs here aint even got the balls to start a business, lets see how it goes.

Maybe its because 95% of the farang population are just a little brighter than the 5% of Farangs that do start a business here.

[jizzybloke]

^You had a business here didn't you PP?

[dirtydog]

^Colostmy bag business I believe

[chitown]

I had a business here. All proper and set up as a treaty company. I was successful in business in the US and probably would have been here as well - if I had more patience. I got fed up with dealing with the Thai government. Dealing with the police, revenue department, labor department, police etc was more than I could stand.

[peterpan]

Bit the same with myself , Chi , I was MD of a reasonably sized enginnering company for 20 yrs and ran my own catering bakery business quite sucsessfully but running a business here. Its not for someone as Gullible as I. The business ran here for 5 yrs and did well enough to pay me a good salary and sadly I belive that the sraff should share some of the benifits. With Thai staff thats seen as a weakness, which they graduallly exploited until in the end the combination of embezzling crooked satff, theiving extortionist cops made me close the business. too much hassle, monthly visist from the parasites, cops, tax, every other Thai cvnt that was too lazy too work thought they could get money from the business.

[chitown]

I did not mind paying taxes as they were low, but the paperwork to do so was ridiculous.

Plus everyone wanted their cut as well. Got tired of the hinting of bribes and I for one ain't paying these guys one satang.

Also, I had at least one farang trying to do me in all the time. Calling the government and reporting me for every little thing and even went to to the extent of making false statements about me. Made anonymous calls to the police that I was hustling girls and selling dope - both outright lies.

If he was not 60 years old, I would have cleaned his clock. But what goes around comes around and he will get his in the end.

[peterpan]

Thai employees have a unique mindset, they regard themselves as indispensable, even if they make almost no contribution, they cannot see how the business would run without them, therefore that leads them to rationalize that part of the business belongs to them, the next step in the thought process is "if thats so, I am entitled to take my share" Then the thieving and embezzlement starts, initially in a small way but it grows quickly.

My mate runs the ideal business here, its a small niche business targeting overseas clients, normally he's the only employee, he just hires arms and legs as and when he needs them and only he has control.
Does everything himself from the accounting, sales, looking after customers.

I have a business plan for a manufacturing business, no local competition as yet, in a growth industry, relatively simple product but for which there is great potential for demand, almost 100% chance of it being a successful business. BUT the it will need employees and the thought of dealing with these people at my age doesn't fill me with enthusiasm in fact it gives me night mares.
Sorry Dawg, moved away from yr Op a bit.

[DrAndy]

I had a business here. All proper and set up as a treaty company. I was successful in business in the US and probably would have been here as well - if I had more patience. I got fed up with dealing with the Thai government. Dealing with the police, revenue department, labor department, police etc was more than I could stand.

I suppose you think your avatar is funny

[chitown]

I had a business here. All proper and set up as a treaty company. I was successful in business in the US and probably would have been here as well - if I had more patience. I got fed up with dealing with the Thai government. Dealing with the police, revenue department, labor department, police etc was more than I could stand.

I suppose you think your avatar is funny

What????

[peterpan]

If you want your mate to succeed I suggest you convince him to get a good business plan together, quick smart, I can point him to someone to help him if he needs it, but its fundamental and imperative that he sits down and addresses the subject.
Its going to be tough to survive anyway and his chances of success are going to be much reduced without a fairly detailed road map.

[TizMe]

Jomtien is full of Russians. It would make more sense to cater to their needs rather than to the 3 poms that live in Jomtien. I know that that will be difficult because it isn't what he knows.

I see that as his biggest problem with trying to cater to a specific nationality, even if he does fantastic pommie food, chances are that 95% of potential customers just aren't going to be impressed by it. It might work ok in Pattaya (but rents will be higher), but it will need to extra special to entice the Pattayans to treck over the hill on a regular basis.

[dirtydog]

^^I quite agree, I spend some time with him most days discussing business stratergy, he has to sell as much as he can to as many as he can as quick as possible from when he opens, an aimless business is a dead business.

[dirtydog]

Jomtien is full of Russians.

And thailand is full of thais, your point being what?

[El Gibbon]

^distilling vodka??

E. G.

[TizMe]

Jomtien is full of Russians. It would make more sense to cater to their needs rather than to the 3 poms that live in Jomtien.

And thailand is full of thais, your point being what?

Doesn't the rest of the paragraph explain my point being?

Opening an English Food joint will only attract English customers.

[buriramboy]

In all honesty with this being the quietest i can ever remember Pattaya, and with all the competition that already exists in the pie/bacon/sausage business, much of it well established, i think he's gonna struggle to make a decent living. I know one guy who makes pies and his profit margin is basically fcuk all due to all the competition (Soi Dianna pie wars), he only makes about 10 baht a pie, he probably would give up but having no other source of income and being on a long overstay he ain't got no option.

[peterpan]

who make the best, price no problem, pies around teh area Brb ?

[Norton]

who make the best, price no problem

Here in lies the secret. Here is the guy that will still be in business when the others have gone broke.

BTW, is there any really good barbecued baby places in Pattaya.

[dirtydog]

and his chances of success are going to be much reduced without a fairly detailed road map.

Isn't this one good enough

[dirtydog]

who make the best,

All the pies are good, I mean the meat quality of all the farang pie places in Pattaya are better than the crap I ate in London, but there are a hell of a lot of meat pie places in Pattaya and Jomtien, thats why he will need unique foods that others don't do.

[CharleyFarley]

Where I lived in UK Waitrose was our supermarket. Most of my money went on the cold meats and cheese section.

Salami, liverwurst, pepperoni, pate and stuff like that.

They call it cold cuts in america the silly gits.

Anyway whatever the price it didn't matter if that was what you wanted.

Sixteen quid for a kilo of cheese, probably more now.

[melvbot]

Curing meats takes a bit of skill and knowledge. Most of the bacon Ive had here tends to ooze that white stuff out of it. This is because the lazy fokkers dont cure it properly, they inject the meat with the cure instead of letting the cure absorb into the meat. The injection way decreases the curing time, quicker turnout of an inferior product. Full of water too to bump the weight. Cured meats will be ok for shelf life but you need a bit of skill to do it.

[CharleyFarley]

^ yep, that crappy danish bacon was always like that.