Thread: New Ranger

I've just been comparing the Thai version of the Ford Ranger to the Australian version. It seems that the power is going to be restricted greatly in Thailand.

The 2.2 litre diesel produces 92kW in Thailand but 110kW in Australia and
the 3.2 litre diesel will produce 110kW in Thailand but produces 147kW in Australia.

I wonder why they would do that. Are there tax reasons why the engines produce less power in Thailand?

Originally Posted by palexxxx

I've just been comparing the Thai version of the Ford Ranger to the Australian version. It seems that the power is going to be restricted greatly in Thailand.

The 2.2 litre diesel produces 92kW in Thailand but 110kW in Australia and
the 3.2 litre diesel will produce 110kW in Thailand but produces 147kW in Australia.

I wonder why they would do that. Are there tax reasons why the engines produce less power in Thailand?

Or there's the 2.5 which has 122kW, but is only available in a couple of lower spec models and only with a standard 5 speed gearbox.

It does seem a bit silly, but then again, I'd limit all cars to about 60bhp for these idiots.

Originally Posted by palexxxx

I've just been comparing the Thai version of the Ford Ranger to the Australian version. It seems that the power is going to be restricted greatly in Thailand.

The 2.2 litre diesel produces 92kW in Thailand but 110kW in Australia and
the 3.2 litre diesel will produce 110kW in Thailand but produces 147kW in Australia.

I wonder why they would do that. Are there tax reasons why the engines produce less power in Thailand?

Really ?

We have one of each, A 3.2 in RHD and a 2.2 in LHD. Both make the "Australian" spec KW. A few minor tweaks on the ECU and they both make 20KW more and still return the same MPG figures.

Originally Posted by Fondles

Really ?

That's what it says on the Ford Thailand website.

Is there is a world standard for measuring HP ?
I think countries set their own standards for measurement.
They are many different ways to measure it.

Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog

Originally Posted by palexxxx

I've just been comparing the Thai version of the Ford Ranger to the Australian version. It seems that the power is going to be restricted greatly in Thailand.

The 2.2 litre diesel produces 92kW in Thailand but 110kW in Australia and
the 3.2 litre diesel will produce 110kW in Thailand but produces 147kW in Australia.

I wonder why they would do that. Are there tax reasons why the engines produce less power in Thailand?

Or there's the 2.5 which has 122kW, but is only available in a couple of lower spec models and only with a standard 5 speed gearbox.

It does seem a bit silly, but then again, I'd limit all cars to about 60bhp for these idiots.

Yes, I knew about the 2.5 litre too, but I didn't include that as it's a petrol engine. I only wanted to post about the diesels.

Anyway, here's a link to the respective Thai and Australian websites.

Ford Thailand | The All-New Ranger - Power & Performance

Ford Australia - The All-New Ranger - Power & Performance

You have to unclick one of the 2.2 litre engine models so that you can include the 3.2 litre one. (maximum of four in the comparison).

Originally Posted by palexxxx

Yes, I knew about the 2.5 litre too, but I didn't include that as it's a petrol engine. I only wanted to post about the diesels.

That makes sense. I didn't read it properly.

My BiL ordered that 3.2 at the Motor expo.
If it came with only 150 horses, he would be royally pissed.
But I'm sure it's not going to happen.
I guess some non english speaking "date entry specialist" slipped a line while updating the website content.
Here are the stats in Thai from the same website:

นอกจากนี้ ยังมีเครื่องยนต์ดีเซล ดูราทอร์ค TDCi I5 ขนาด 3.2 ลิตร ให้แรงบิด 470 นิวตันเมตร และกำลัง 147 กิโลวัตต์ (200 แรงม้า)

Latest review of Ranger that I've found. They love it.

2012 Ford Ranger XLT Crew Cab Review | CarShowroom.com.au

Originally Posted by palexxxx

Latest review of Ranger that I've found. They love it.

2012 Ford Ranger XLT Crew Cab Review | CarShowroom.com.au

ouch that price is a heart stopper...!!!
Looks like a lot more goodies though BUT for 20k+ over Thai pricing...

Originally Posted by Crepitus

Originally Posted by palexxxx

Latest review of Ranger that I've found. They love it.

2012 Ford Ranger XLT Crew Cab Review | CarShowroom.com.au

ouch that price is a heart stopper...!!!
Looks like a lot more goodies though BUT for 20k+ over Thai pricing...

yes, all the pick-ups that are made in Thailand cost heaps more once landed in Australia.

Originally Posted by palexxxx

Originally Posted by Crepitus

Originally Posted by palexxxx

Latest review of Ranger that I've found. They love it.

2012 Ford Ranger XLT Crew Cab Review | CarShowroom.com.au

ouch that price is a heart stopper...!!!
Looks like a lot more goodies though BUT for 20k+ over Thai pricing...

yes, all the pick-ups that are made in Thailand cost heaps more once landed in Australia.

thought there was some trade agreement on vehicles..still that don't stop the gov duty and taxes I expect...

i went to look at the ranger at the ford dealer yesterday whilst my car was being cleaned.

its a fine looking truck, they had a few 2.2 4 door hi riders there, they said the 4x4 and wildtracks would be available in april.

prices for 4 doors

2.2 6 speed auto 4wd wildtrack 969,000
2.2 6 speed manual 4wd xlt 879,000
2.2 6 speed auto 2wd wildtrack 869,000
2.2 6 speed auto 2wd high rider xlt 799,000
2.2 6 speed man 2wd high rider xlt 779,000

the wildtrack is a something of a posing pouch, its a nancy boy who wants to look 'ard, but it is well specced, for nearly a million baht it should be.

the high rider looked the best resolved design to me, with some selective after market add ons for those who want to alter the appearance or spec from standard.

as for whats under the bonnet, a 2.2 150hp is more than enough for the roads and conditions here, i find my 170hp vigo is overpowered, they are only pick up trucks.


they were keen to get me to test drive the thing, but i'm not in the market for a new car at the moment. my 4 year old vigo 4x4 auto has been trouble free for coming up to 100,000 kms and i'm not likely to sell it until the repair bills start coming.

but if i was going to change then this new ford would be my choice. ive always liked ford vehicles, they are underated, well designed and much better value than the equivalent german offerings and its good to see their presence in thailand increasing.

Originally Posted by Crepitus

Originally Posted by palexxxx

Originally Posted by Crepitus

Originally Posted by palexxxx

Latest review of Ranger that I've found. They love it.

2012 Ford Ranger XLT Crew Cab Review | CarShowroom.com.au

ouch that price is a heart stopper...!!!
Looks like a lot more goodies though BUT for 20k+ over Thai pricing...

yes, all the pick-ups that are made in Thailand cost heaps more once landed in Australia.

thought there was some trade agreement on vehicles..still that don't stop the gov duty and taxes I expect...

There is a trade agreement on vehicles, so there is no other tax (no Import duty/ no Luxury car tax) on a car coming from Thailand. So the whole tax burden is 10% GST (VAT).

Some interesting details on taxing cars you can find you can find here:
The hidden taxes on your new car - www.drive.com.au

Considering that the pick ups available in Thailand are priced with 15-25% "New car Tax" and 7% VAT on top, they should be even cheaper landed on Oz.

So, I guess the huge difference must be due to the "exorbitant cost of converting to RHD"!

Originally Posted by amazon777

Considering that the pick ups available in Thailand are priced with 15-25% "New car Tax" and 7% VAT on top, they should be even cheaper landed on Oz.

So, I guess the huge difference must be due to the "exorbitant cost of converting to RHD"!

They would be made RHD in the factory to cater for the overseas markets. There would be no conversions required. You also have to pay for shipping I guess. And maybe because of the difference in wages etc, the mark up would be higher in Australia for the dealer profit and salesmans commission.

Originally Posted by palexxxx

Originally Posted by amazon777

Considering that the pick ups available in Thailand are priced with 15-25% "New car Tax" and 7% VAT on top, they should be even cheaper landed on Oz.

So, I guess the huge difference must be due to the "exorbitant cost of converting to RHD"!

They would be made RHD in the factory to cater for the overseas markets. There would be no conversions required. You also have to pay for shipping I guess. And maybe because of the difference in wages etc, the mark up would be higher in Australia for the dealer profit and salesmans commission.

You would hope they would make them RHD for domestic as well - as Thailands pick up sales are 3-4 times the volume of down under.

The shipping cost on ro-ro-car freighters are only a couple of hundred $. (Considering the volumes Ford must get maybe even as low as double figures per car.)
Considering the the local (thai) prices and the applied tax, the margin in Oz seems to be in excess of 100%.

So surely it will be the RHD conversion!

Or probably the import inspection, where an Australian engineer has to write a certificate that the car comes with indicators - like it is required if you privately import a car from a third world country like Japan.
(This takes indeed between 2.-7.000AUS$. I'm not making this up!)

^ Back on Planet Earth, the reason why they cost that in Aus is because it competes head-on with other similar vehicles.

Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog

^ Back on Planet Earth, the reason why they cost that in Aus is because it competes head-on with other similar vehicles.

Fair point, makes sense. Only thing is most of them are made in Thailand too.

Mazda BT50
Holden (Chevy) Colorado
Isuzu DMax
Nissan Patrol

There's about 2500 quid in tax on a Ranger in the UK.

The outgoing 2.5 Wildtrack was 725k here and about 950k in the UK.

Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog

^ Back on Planet Earth, the reason why they cost that in Aus is because it competes head-on with other similar vehicles.

Fine kind of competition:
Who can overprice their product the most.
Usually only works in "celebrity" endorsed fashion items.

Fail!