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    You thought you got insurance?

    My wife (non-Thai) had an car accident a short while ago.
    She misjudged the speed of an oncoming motorcycle while attempting a right turn.
    Nothing happened to her, but the bike rider (22 years old) fractured his lower leg.
    She was taken to the next police station, and pressured (mainly by the rep of our insurance company) to sign a “self statement” that put all blame on her.
    They threatened to hold her passport should she not sign and told her she couldn’t leave town…
    The Bike rider had been carted of by the “ambulance” - even before the police arrived I think.

    I was in BKK at that time, so unable to be there with her, but even thought the accident was obviously her fault, I told her not to sign anything.
    They finally let her go, keeping only the car in the compound.
    We visited the guy in Rayong Hospital the next day.
    He had had a surgery during which the broken bone was mended with 2 metal plates.
    His parents were with him, but it was a pretty sad environment on the first day of Songkran, because the wards are so full, the patients are laying in beds along the corridors. No aircon, no fans…
    We told the hospital to put that guy in a private room.
    Said private rooms come with an attached visitors room and don’t cost the earth.
    My wife and I stayed in one of those when she had a surgery 10 years ago, before the Bangkok Hospital Group build their Rayong branch.
    The first possible day we went to the Insurance company, nagging about their rep and confirming that they would cover all cost.

    Here came the first shock.
    Even thought we have full insurance, medical costs are only covered up to 500.000 Baht!
    Property damage is only covered up to 2.000.000 Baht!
    Funny thing that they value property 4 times higher than life and limb…
    But in any case absolutely underfunded I thought.
    I told my wife “ What a luck the guy only got a broken leg, that should be covered even with 500.000 Baht. But for any serious injury that wouldn’t be enough.”

    But of course I hadn’t considered Thai ingenuity in creating cost if farangs are involved.
    One week after the surgery (my wife had visited the hospital 3 times meanwhile) they called us in urgently.
    When we arrived they told us, that after the initial surgery the wound had been kept open, but would need now to be closed and required plastic surgery.
    That could be done either in Chonburi or at the Bangkok Hospital Rayong. Since one or both of the guys parents stayed with him at all time, Rayong would be the better (more comfortable) option.
    So we should decide where the guy would go.

    I told them, that I personally would agree that Bangkok Rayong Hospital would be the easier option, but it would be up to the doctor and the insurance to decide.
    Also they should keep in mind that Bangkok Rayong isn’t the cheapest.
    The doctor assured me, that the patient would only undergo surgery there and be back in 2, max. 3 days. The room was only 2.000 Baht a night anyway.
    They told me, they need my signature (car owner) to have him transferred, but I told them once more, that I wouldn’t sign anything.
    Since the insurance guy didn’t pick up his phone, we went to the local branch again , checked that they cover the cost and got them to contact the hospital so they could move the patient.
    He was transferred the same day and got the surgery done.
    My wife visited again the next day and all seemed quite fine.
    Only thing suspicious was, that Bangkok Hospital Rayong kept calling 5 times a day, not us- but Thai relatives and the office, demanding that we bring signed copies of our passports, drivers licence, work permit, home registration etc.
    I told them once again to get in contact with the insurance…

    Today, with the day off, my wife thought about another visit and found out that the patent is still at Bangkok Hospital Rayong.
    We visited and found out, that the bill at Bangkok Hospital Rayong alone is standing at close to 180,000 Baht and clocking up another 17.000 per night.
    While the doctor agrees that the after treatment could be done at Rayong hospital as originally planned, the patient “would like to stay” another week at his suite at the Bangkok Hospital Rayong.
    We have no idea right now how much the bill at the Rayong Hospital is, but with no end in sight only for the treatment of the broken leg, let alone physiotherapy or who knows what, the 500.000-limit seems to come close.

    I’m glad we never signed anything (I hope the wife really didn’t)!
    But I have the feeling that business is far from over and we are going to couch up extra dough anyway.
    Now one shudders imagining that guy would have more than a broken leg.
    So much for your 1st class insurance….

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    no suprise how the monkey thinks

    should have put the slagdog in Queen Sirikit Hospital

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    worrying tale, who is your insurance company?

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    Very sad tale....my sympathies. I have heard of many cases like yours. People assume that they are driving a new car with full comprehensive insurance and that everything is covered. Not so. I only have 3rd party insurance on my old car yet was surprised to find that it gave more 3rd party cover ( 1,000,000 ) baht than my friends fully comprehensive !
    I think you did the right thing in not signing anything and perhaps it might have been better if your wife had not admitted liability. After all, the bike rider hit her and might have been speeding , that usually counts for something when two Thais have an accident, although being a foreigner , you're a soft target unless you speak fluent Thai and immediatly ' go on the attack ' by trying to point out the bike rider hit your car.
    Mind you, this is Thailand, you're a foreigner and sometimes its really tough to get a fair deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oxyjohn View Post
    worrying tale, who is your insurance company?
    AYUDHYA

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    I do think there is some piss taking going on here.
    I,ve never had probs like this with Bangkok Rayong.

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    You should carry a handgun in the car, like the Chinese Elite do

    seriously though, I bet if the roles were reversed, you wouldn't have seen him for dust

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    Quote Originally Posted by amazon777
    I told them, that I personally would agree that Bangkok Rayong Hospital would be the easier option, but it would be up to the doctor and the insurance to decide.
    Why would you tell them that? Do you own the insurance company? The insurance companies decision on what they pay out on is up to them, NOT YOU.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dick
    slagdog
    you call men slagdogs aswell?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtydog View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by amazon777
    I told them, that I personally would agree that Bangkok Rayong Hospital would be the easier option, but it would be up to the doctor and the insurance to decide.
    Why would you tell them that? Do you own the insurance company? The insurance companies decision on what they pay out on is up to them, NOT YOU.
    Which is exact my point.
    If you re-read your quote of my original statement (or my original post), you'll notice that I told them "it would be up to the doctor and the insurance to decide."

    They asked me to sign a carte blanche for them.
    Last edited by amazon777; 02-05-2011 at 11:52 PM.

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    Bloody hell.
    The OP is worrying 500,000 baht will not be enough for a Thai to get a broken leg mended.
    You can have a baby at a private hospital here for 40,000 baht.
    If this were me, I would leave EVERYTHING with the insurance company. I am sure they will not be too happy paying 1/2 million baht for a leg break.
    The hospitals here are scam artists.
    My BUPA covers me for something like 1,000 baht a visit as an out patient.
    Everytime I have seen a doctor, for whatever reason, guess what? The bill has always been around the 900 baht mark.
    As soon as they know the insurance paying, they try to max out the limit. By hook or by crook.
    Last edited by Bogon; 03-05-2011 at 09:12 AM.
    Black diamonds? I shit 'em.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bogon
    You can have a baby here for 30 baht.
    Fixed that for you

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    if possible, never let the police get involved.

    call the insurance company immediately and let them deal with it.

    never admit to anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile
    if possible, never let the police get involved. call the insurance company immediately and let them deal with it. never admit to anything.
    The police have to get involved in every traffic accident if nobody admits liability, the vehicles are not allowed to be moved until the police arrive

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    So this was first class insurance? With what company? Any reputable company would have jumped in and handled it as they don't want to spend any more baht then necessary.

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    The hospital clearly views ThB 500,000 as a target.

    I've heard of far worse where insurance is involved. Just think, one day the doctor's son may be able to attend Eton.

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    Final update

    The whole ordeal is finally over, but left a very bad aftertaste.
    The hospital got the amount due up to close to 400.000 Baht.
    Therefore the patient was left with an settlement of about 80.000 Baht from the insurance company, for whatever future treatments he might ever require. He could have gotten more. But since the hospital burned through the 500.000 Baht insurance budget, there was nothing more left. He had quite quickly gotten 20.000 Baht to fix his bike, therefore the 500k Budget was squeezed to the last drop.

    At the police office we had meanwhile chucked in an extra 20k cash for the guy(s mother).
    All negotiations happened at the police station and even thought the insurance payed everything quite nicely and we added some extra, the thread of prosecution and 30 days jail was continuously kept fresh.
    I guess with my wife and me being farangs, they expected some nice tea money.
    As the whole case was settled with the patient (and his family) and we thought we are on our way out, the Brownies demand their (considerable) cut in order to have this case not going to court.
    I got the info that they have the right to do so even thought the whole thing was settled between the parties involved and figured that it would get even costlier in court. So I coughed up the required amount.

    Since the BIB showed up at the scene of the accident only after the motor cycle rider had been driven off to hospital by one of those "body snatcher cars", I was suspicious regarding the state he was riding in from the outset. The only person ever interviewed was my wife, the police never talked to bike rider or checked whether he actually holds a driving license.

    But what really made me sad, was to watch the whole events unfolding within this guys family.
    During the weeks of proceedings, we and our office staff received several phone calls from the guys father and other relatives, who demanded, that the (whatever) payment is made to them. Obviously the whole family/ neighborhood looked forward to the big payday.
    The patients mother, who represented him on the regular meetings at the police office, told us to ignore them, but surprised police and insurance on the 2nd to last meeting, with the demand that the final cheque should be made out in her name. When the insurance guy explained to her, that the check can only be written for the patient, she stated in front of several BiBs (at a police station less than 1km from the families home), that her son is a drug addict and would only waste the money away.
    No Brownie ever interviewed the guy, but I bet they had a friendly visit right after they received the cheque...

    But back to the very begging and the title of the thread.
    A single broken leg ate away the whole amount the premium insurance had budgeted for 3rd party damage.
    I'm currently reviewing the renewal contract I received. The 3rd party budget seems to have been cut in half!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bogon
    I would leave EVERYTHING with the insurance company.
    Me too. I would not have got involved. In fact, my missus would not get me involved; she once had an accident when a Fortuner raced up her inside and hit her, but even though she was only a couple of kms from home she prefered to handle it herself with her insurance rep - no foreigner involved at any point...

    At least it's now over...

    I can't help but think if you broke you were on that motorbike that you would not have had your bill covered to 400k. I suspect if you went to Bumrungrad for a week and had a broken leg fixed you could've got it done for under 100k, never mind a Thai at a decent quality mid level hospital - 20k? 10k? 5k even?
    Cycling should be banned!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by amazon777
    my wife and me being farangs
    I didn't see this bit, sorry...

    You were on a hiding to nothing unless you could get a Thai friend to the station with you to deal with it along with your insurance rep.

    At least it is over with; forget about it and move on; deal with the locals as little as possible, even with each other (never mind us) they go crazy when an opportunity for money comes along... sad, but their culture, and its only getting worse with the ever increasing sino-Thai influence...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by amazon777
    my wife and me being farangs
    I didn't see this bit, sorry...

    You were on a hiding to nothing unless you could get a Thai friend to the station with you to deal with it along with your insurance rep.

    At least it is over with; forget about it and move on; deal with the locals as little as possible, even with each other (never mind us) they go crazy when an opportunity for money comes along... sad, but their culture, and its only getting worse with the ever increasing sino-Thai influence...
    my wife and me being farangs

    that should be your first clue sherlock. You have been screwed

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    A very good lesson on how not to deal with things in the event of an accident.

    Always make the insurance company deal with everything.

    Ignore threats from the police as they're all hot air.

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