Thread: New Honda Jazz - A fantastic car all round

Fecks sake, the 3.0L turbo diesel Vigo has 343nm of torque when stock. The Camry 2.4l only has a meagre 161nm, with similar BHP figures!

No contest!

Originally Posted by EmperorTud

^ It would shit on your banger of a Mercedes too.

Wow, you're so cool Tuddy! Do you do burnouts to impress the girls?

Actually, I'm surprised you showed your face in this thread, we all remember what happened last time you posted on a thread about Hondas.

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You arsed on about how fast your pickup was then too? Do you remember what happened last time you posted about my Mercedes?

Actually I bet the Tudster drives around with the window down, arm on the sill, and music pumping from the stereo.

Originally Posted by Smeg

^
What year and model is it?

The Mercedes I presume? A 1988 280CE (coupe).

Do you have a New Zealand Law Society practising certificate?

(i feel like being nosey)

That is nosey. But no, not currently.

Ant, are you working in good old Bangers now?

Originally Posted by Smeg

Like this?

Spot on, exactly like that (except mine's a different colour and has a sunroof )

A Jazz has three more doors. Much more convenient for a family

True, no denying that. The back-seat in my car's only there for decoration. Would still struggle to fit my twin-terrors and assorted crap into a Jazz though. And mind you the Merc is only for a bit fun every now and then - got the family wagons to cram everyone into.

Ant, are you working in good old Bangers now?

Nope, couldn't/wouldn't live there if I could help it. What's with all the q's?

Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog

Originally Posted by Travelmate

You are talking out of your arse.

No. You are for a change. They do actually have roads outside of Bangkok nowadays, and some of them are quite nice.

I would not they "some" but "most of them", at least the two and three digit numbered, surprisingly even in the sticks.

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

a sunroof

I bet if the previous owner was thai the thing has never been opened when you bought it!

Originally Posted by EmperorTud

Fecks sake, the 3.0L turbo diesel Vigo has 343nm of torque when stock. The Camry 2.4l only has a meagre 161nm, with similar BHP figures!

No contest!

Ok you got the torque & bhp figures.
Now be honest and post up a certifiable performance comparison chart.

Diesel engine is limited by RPM (Revolution Per Minute).

A diesel engine will always lack in acceleration and top end performance. Period.
But what it does have is midrange grunt. This is the part where the torque that you happily talk about come into play. Thus giving you the illusion that you are driving one fast motherfookin pickup. But soon as you hit 4,000 RPM you have to grab another gear and so on till you run out of gears usually fifth gear. Cars will continue to be in front. As it revs higher for longer. So a pickup like yours governed to say approx 4,500 RPM stuck in 5th gear as opposed to a car at 6,000 RPM in 5th gear. Which will be the one most likely to be travelling faster?
And as a gentle reminder the advertising slogan for Toyota in the past is "The car in front is a Toyota"! Not pickup.

Originally Posted by Travelmate

And as a gentle reminder the advertising slogan for Toyota in the past is "The car in front is a Toyota"! Not pickup.

Personally I couldn't care less if the pickup is faster. It is still a pickup.

^ valid point.
I will not allow the pickup driver waste any more of my time.

Originally Posted by EmperorTud

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

Do you remember what happened last time you posted about my Mercedes?

I just mentioned you made a complete and utter fool of yourself did I not?

So you don't remember then. I'd get that looked at if I were you; diesal fumes might be affecting your short-term memory or something.

And a Camry is something special???

It's a taxi FFS!

How many Camry taxi's have you seen?



Fact is it has more refinement and comfort than any pickup does.

Originally Posted by EmperorTud

Not when highway driving which is what we're talking about. Torque is what matters, and the pick-up knocks the Camry into a cocked hat.

Highway driving is even worst. You have no top end. C'mon now drop to your knees and give in, you are fighting a losing battle here.
The pickup rests on a heavy chassis, the gearing are suited for lumping a heavy load, diesel engine are known only for their low to mid range torque at low speed. It is a basic work horse not a race horse.

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

So you don't remember then. I'd get that looked at if I were you; diesal fumes might be affecting your short-term memory or something.

And a Camry is something special???

It's a taxi FFS!

How many Camry taxi's have you seen?

How nice would it be if they actually had Camrys for taxis instead of those tiny Corollas?

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

How many Camry taxi's have you seen?

Plenty, there's hundreds operate from Suvarnabhumi airport for starters.

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

Fact is it has more refinement and comfort than any pickup does.

I'm not arguing that!

Originally Posted by Travelmate

diesel engine are known only for their low to mid range torque at low speed.

The torque figures I gave earlier are at 4,000RPM which is more top end for a diesel pick-up. The Vigo redlines at a touch over 5,000RPM.

Originally Posted by EmperorTud

The torque figures I gave earlier are at 4,000RPM which is more top end for a diesel pick-up. The Vigo redlines at a touch over 5,000RPM

Hey Tud can your pick up do this

My Ford Ranger does me just fine. Comfortable and has good pick up. However, I like the look of the Toyota!

Originally Posted by EmperorTud

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

Fact is it has more refinement and comfort than any pickup does.

I'm not arguing that!

Then what are you arguing: "And a Camry is something special??? It's a taxi FFS!?"?

Originally Posted by EmperorTud

The torque figures I gave earlier are at 4,000RPM which is more top end for a diesel pick-up. The Vigo redlines at a touch over 5,000RPM.

Look. A CI (diesel) engine provides low to mid range torque. Not top end other wise you'll be driving around screaming the engine off all the time.
Tell me, before you made a statement that you are in the automotive industry. Given your ramblings and incorrect statements. I have doubts that you are what you claim. Perhaps you are a valet car park attendant or something?

Originally Posted by Travelmate

Tell me, before you made a statement that you are in the automotive industry. Given your ramblings and incorrect statements. I have doubts that you are what you claim. Perhaps you are a valet car park attendant or something?

Yes he has made that claim a couple of times on here, something along the lines of: 'I've had 10yrs experience in the automotive industry'.

Originally Posted by Travelmate

you made a statement that you are in the automotive industry

2nd hand car salesman from Glascow?

Originally Posted by EmperorTud

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

How many Camry taxi's have you seen?

Plenty, there's hundreds operate from Suvarnabhumi airport for starters.

Those are not regular taxis.

Originally Posted by Travelmate

Originally Posted by EmperorTud

The torque figures I gave earlier are at 4,000RPM which is more top end for a diesel pick-up. The Vigo redlines at a touch over 5,000RPM.

Look. A CI (diesel) engine provides low to mid range torque. Not top end other wise you'll be driving around screaming the engine off all the time.
Tell me, before you made a statement that you are in the automotive industry. Given your ramblings and incorrect statements. I have doubts that you are what you claim. Perhaps you are a valet car park attendant or something?

The figures I gave are correct for a 3.0L Vigo torque 343Nm from 1600 to 3200rpm with a maximum torque output at 4000RPM.

I don't care what you believe about me personally.

You believe a front wheel drive saloon with a less powerful engine and less torque can outrun a 3.0L pick-up on a highway with those sort of torque figures it is you that is talking out of your arse.

I've scolded you with facts and figures yet you've brought zero, zilch nada nothing to the table except your opinion.

You've probably never even driven a car in Thailand, let alone owned one.

Originally Posted by good2bhappy

2nd hand car salesman from Glascow?

Never sold cars I have not owned personally.

Originally Posted by Fabian

Those are not regular taxis.

Still taxis though.