Thread: This years New Hilux

^ they've always had pretty poor interiors; you'd think the latest one would be much better - at least in line with the Ford truck interiors!

Did you see the new Mitsubishi Pajero that JJ posted up; looks really nice.

Yes I did see 8 speed auto, not a fan of Mitsu

Originally Posted by Ratchaburi

When sitting in traffic, motor cycles going down between the cars leave black marks on the side, back & front off the white SUV.
It's like a magnet.

I sure hope I have better luck than you do but then again I will not be in traffic much.

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

When you say 'others', you seem to be forgetting about the wife, JPPR2!

Well some tend to buy things others like more than they do. Not being a dicator here, but my wife has little say in what color truck I buy. In fact she would not buy a truck at all, she would buy a Honda CRV. I said maybe later but now with house things its a truck. I said if we bought the Honda CRV the first time we went and got SOD or dirt or whatever and filled up the back of the SUV she wouldn't find the CRV such a "Sport Utility" anymore. . She is worried about sitting others. I said no problem, we will get the double cab like I have here in the states. seats 5 no issue

Originally Posted by Ratchaburi

The fortuner's seat are too short, made for Thai's, seats in the pickup are a good length very comfy.

Funny, I found the same to be the case. Just was a not a comfortable ride.

Originally Posted by Ratchaburi

not a fan of Mitsu

Me neither. Been in a couple of the trucks in TL. They are not a big hit here in the states either.

For anyone interested. After working with my buddy at Toytec we have devised a 3.5" lift kit for the Revo Hilux pick 4 x 4.

The kit includes the following;

Big Boss 2.5 fully adjustable coilovers shock assy

Total Chaos solid bar UCA(Upper control arms) with Spherical bearing assy versus standard bolt joints

4 Extended Gas charged Bilstein racing shocks with adjustable settings

Rear arched spring pack with ubolts and all other mounting hardware.

I will post up some pics when I have the set up here.

Big Thanks to Ratchaburi for his pics of the new drivetrain. It was instrumental in helping us figure a kit out. They are pretty close to the Toyota Tacoma here except for the Rear shock length and Eye to Eye versus Eye to stem mount and the front UCA's.

Originally Posted by Ratchaburi

Remember when you were a kid and you'd pull the corners of your eyes back and put on an atrocious Chinese / Japanese accent?

That's what this truck looks like.

Who cares? a pickup is for work not posing, so as long as it works everyday looks are not that important.

Originally Posted by bindog

Remember when you were a kid and you'd pull the corners of your eyes back and put on an atrocious Chinese / Japanese accent?

That's what this truck looks like.

Originally Posted by mykthemin

Who cares? a pickup is for work not posing, so as long as it works everyday looks are not that important.

Overall I like the new Revo Hilux. As stated above, Its for work and play, as long as it is reliable.

^Reliability and value-retention is the Hilux's stock-in-trade. Probably the world's most reliable vehicle, whatever the model.

Saw one on the road today in a silvery grey colour. Not sure i like the front of it, but the colour suited the truck.
Not just saying that because i have a 2013 version either.

I think a different bumper/spoiler would toughen it up a bit and make it look a lot better.

Well I have 2 (2008) Hiluxii. They have been good, but not without problems. I'm looking at replacing both, and the competition has moved along, beyond their latest offering. I'd like significant improvements to NVH, power, torque and a comfortable driving experience. Does'n't seem that Toyota is keeping pace .
I'm not really obsessed with value retention so much. Just an 'enjoyable' truck.
The dilemma is that a close friend owns the regional Toyota franchise
.........
What to do.

Originally Posted by bobfish

What to do.

Mazda BT-50

Originally Posted by bobfish

Well I have 2 (2008) Hiluxii. They have been good, but not without problems. I'm looking at replacing both, and the competition has moved along, beyond their latest offering. I'd like significant improvements to NVH, power, torque and a comfortable driving experience. Does'n't seem that Toyota is keeping pace .
I'm not really obsessed with value retention so much. Just an 'enjoyable' truck.
The dilemma is that a close friend owns the regional Toyota franchise
.........
What to do.

bobfish go & drive the new Hilux.
I just step out of a 2006 4x4 extra cab 500,000+ kilometre's on the clock.
Now the New Hilux extra cab 4x4 6 speed manual has softer ride, more power, more comfort.
7.9 litres/100 around the city about 800 kilometres to a tank of diesel.
I think the tank holds 65 litre.
Looking forward to a long trip, as it a pleasure to get behind the wheel of the new Hilux

Originally Posted by can123

Originally Posted by bobfish

What to do.

Mazda BT-50

Not an option. That's settling.

Originally Posted by JPPR2

Not an option. That's settling.

Yes, if settling is buying a better vehicle for less money.

Originally Posted by JPPR2

Originally Posted by can123

Originally Posted by JPPR2

Not an option. That's settling.

Yes, if settling is buying a better vehicle for less money.

While I am not a pro Toyota person nor the blind allegianced type to any manufacturer but Mazda is not a "Truck" maker. The have a nice niche market in the mini van and economy car segment. Now if you prefer a truck that you drive and use like a car then you may have an argument that it serves a purpose as truck from time to time. But if one is going to use the truck as a truck Mazda would be the last one I would ever buy no matter how much one might think they are "Saving". They have virtually no proven track record their stuff would hold up under any constant use or load or could handle any off-roading or abuse.

Toyota on the other hand....well they have been at it a lonnng time and heavily supported by their TRD Division.

It all boils down to intended use.

Well I guess the Mazda Titan is a truck, albeit the latest iteration is a rebadged Isuzu, so they must know something.
In the same way, the BT has been around for a decade and is effectively a rebadged Ford. Prior to that, Mazda built the B series pickup since 1961.

Toyota have a good record and Hiluxes have been successful in many fields from mining to NGO's to insurgents. I have yet to see any evidence of TRD being involved in initial development though. More a post launch marketing exercise.

One of these showed at work today.

Is the tub body made from highly stretch tin foil.... give it a bonk with your fist..... bwahahahahahaha.

I'll bet it resonates at speed on the motorway.

Originally Posted by JPPR2

While I am not a pro Toyota person nor the blind allegianced type to any manufacturer but Mazda is not a "Truck" maker.

Mazda stopped selling trucks in the UK over eight years ago but that hasn't stopped the guy who cuts the grass for my neighbour driving one which is at least fifteen years old. It looks very much like a Ranger. It has rust patches but, when one considers that we live on mountains in Wales where it is always pissing down and cold, that is scarcely surprising. So, Mazda is a truck maker. Just how long do they have to make them to qualify ?

Toyota is undoubtedly excellent and was the best. It has however not kept up with the improvement made by its opposition and is now having to make efforts to catch up with them.

There is not a lot wrong with the Isuzus either. I drove our cousin's about three years ago and found it much better than the Hilux I used last August. His is very old but because he is a mechanic he has maintained it properly and it has lasted a long time. I'll be renting an Isuzu MU 7 when I visit in November.

Originally Posted by Fondles

Originally Posted by bobfish

Originally Posted by JPPR2

Originally Posted by can123

Originally Posted by JPPR2

Not an option. That's settling.

Yes, if settling is buying a better vehicle for less money.

While I am not a pro Toyota person nor the blind allegianced type to any manufacturer but Mazda is not a "Truck" maker. The have a nice niche market in the mini van and economy car segment. Now if you prefer a truck that you drive and use like a car then you may have an argument that it serves a purpose as truck from time to time. But if one is going to use the truck as a truck Mazda would be the last one I would ever buy no matter how much one might think they are "Saving". They have virtually no proven track record their stuff would hold up under any constant use or load or could handle any off-roading or abuse.

Toyota on the other hand....well they have been at it a lonnng time and heavily supported by their TRD Division.

It all boils down to intended use.

Well I guess the Mazda Titan is a truck, albeit the latest iteration is a rebadged Isuzu, so they must know something.
In the same way, the BT has been around for a decade and is effectively a rebadged Ford. Prior to that, Mazda built the B series pickup since 1961.

Toyota have a good record and Hiluxes have been successful in many fields from mining to NGO's to insurgents. I have yet to see any evidence of TRD being involved in initial development though. More a post launch marketing exercise.

Wow Bob, you really are clueless in regards to the BT mazda.

The first generation BT-50 (J97M) was made from 2006 to 2011. The Ranger Equivalent (J97). This is a Mazda designed deal.

The second generation (2011 - present) is very much a Ford designed deal.

The new 2015/2016 Ranger is built at the ford facility (not at AAT with the BT-50) along with the new Everest.

Thanks for putting me straight on that Fondles. And in such a nice way too!
Likewise, I've now learned the B series was apparently re badged by Ford and vice versa at various times.

Originally Posted by bobfish

Prior to that, Mazda built the B series pickup since 1961.

The B series truck was unsuccessful in the states.

Originally Posted by bobfish

I have yet to see any evidence of TRD being involved in initial development though.

The TRD division of Toyota has been actively involved in racing motorsports for 20 to 25 years. Just like Chevy and Ford. This is how they transfer design developments to the daily drivers. A huge reason why cars and trucks last so much longer is key development improvements found in the racing divisions of companies coupled with automation being able to hold tight consistent tolerances. Lots are learned in the passenger safety segment as well.

Originally Posted by bobfish

More a post launch marketing exercise.

Most definitely has a marketing appeal. But the components are better and heavier duty versus the base model truck. Again depends on users intentions.

Originally Posted by can123

So, Mazda is a truck maker. Just how long do they have to make them to qualify ?

Depends on what the consumer is using it for. As I mentioned. It works for very light duty but would I tow a Boat or trailer with it?...no. Would I dare risk overloading it with brick, rock gravel etc? ..No. Would I use it as a work or commercial truck? No. Would I use it as an off road vehicle? No. Doesn't mean its bad, just means it has limited use.

Originally Posted by can123

There is not a lot wrong with the Isuzus either

I agree, the Isuzu is not a bad truck and Isuzu has been making common rail diesel engines for what has to be at least 50+ years. Their fleet segment is HUGE for the medium size cargo delivery vans. Isuzu in conjunction with Chevrolet launched an extremely successful Duramax line. Their 6.6 liter engine in the new Chevrolet HD full size trucks makes 550hp and near 800ft lbs tq.

Originally Posted by JPPR2

Depends on what the consumer is using it for. As I mentioned. It works for very light duty but would I tow a Boat or trailer with it?...no. Would I dare risk overloading it with brick, rock gravel etc? ..No. Would I use it as a work or commercial truck? No. Would I use it as an off road vehicle? No. Doesn't mean its bad, just means it has limited use.

You have all your figures wrong, I'm afraid. Please see John Cadogan's video

Originally Posted by can123

Originally Posted by JPPR2

Depends on what the consumer is using it for. As I mentioned. It works for very light duty but would I tow a Boat or trailer with it?...no. Would I dare risk overloading it with brick, rock gravel etc? ..No. Would I use it as a work or commercial truck? No. Would I use it as an off road vehicle? No. Doesn't mean its bad, just means it has limited use.

You have all your figures wrong, I'm afraid. Please see John Cadogan's video

Sorry to laugh. One guy? I am going to believe one guy in a youtube video versus what I see in the daily market?

Its preference and end use.

All good, enjoy your Mazda.