2 fastish motorbikes v fast car...

**Bettyboo** · 14-01-2014, 05:09 PM

The car looks quicker to me. The motorcyclists seem to have cut the video a couple of times when the road is clear and the car is going off in the distance.

But, it's a quick car, and these are only 600cc bikes, albeit fast 600cc bikes. I doubt the bikes can do much over 250kph whereas the car can probably do well over 300kph and more?

I reckon Captain American with his pimped out kwakawaka could get close to the Mercs top speed (but probably not close enough; actually, I reckon my missus in the Honda City would outrun FS...).

**klong toey** · 14-01-2014, 07:15 PM

Early one Sunday morning on quite country roads i had a race with a Ferrari Dino.
I was on my RD350 LC stage 3 tuned top end of 130 mph,truth is the Ferrari driver lost his bottle once we started to get above 100 mph on twisty A roads.
I reckon most car drivers lose their bottle once a few tight corners come into view.

**Bettyboo** · 14-01-2014, 07:19 PM

^a Fiat Dino?

You bloody bully, KT. A friend of mine had a RD350LC, and it was quite fast and scary for a little-ish bike... The Dino driver (and I really like those cars) was probably right to back off, they're not like a modern car.

**kingwilly** · 14-01-2014, 08:19 PM

Originally Posted by klong toey

Early one Sunday morning on quite country roads i had a race with a Ferrari Dino.
I was on my RD350 LC stage 3 tuned top end of 130 mph,truth is the Ferrari driver lost his bottle once we started to get above 100 mph on twisty A roads.
I reckon most car drivers lose their bottle once a few tight corners come into view.

It's called self preservation, i dont blame him.

**FailSafe** · 14-01-2014, 10:10 PM

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

I reckon Captain American with his pimped out kwakawaka could get close to the Mercs top speed (but probably not close enough; actually, I reckon my missus in the Honda City would outrun FS...).

Please tell your wife to bring cash- I ain't running for pink slips against a City (not worth my time

).

If that car has 'only' 480hp, it would have no chance against any recent literbike or open-classer (like my Kawi)- 600cc sportbikes run out of steam once they get near 150mph- they'll go a bit faster than that, but it takes them a while- the bikes in the video didn't actually have an aerodynamic advantage at speed (their superior power-to-weight ratio overcomes it to a certain point), and it takes a lot of power to stay ahead of a fast car once speeds approach 175mph. A car needs ~800-1000hp to beat a fast (1000cc+) bike past 150mph.

Most bikes are now limited to 300kph/186mph (a couple German and Italian bikes don't have limiters, though their speedometers stop at 300kph)- I removed the limiter from my bike, and it would probably hit 200mph (I think it gears out at 203mph) with enough road (not that I'll ever ride it that fast- I disabled the limiter because it was a simple mouse click when I was re-flashing my ECU, so there was no reason not to)- a car like a Veyron or serious worked GT-R or something equally ridiculous would probably start to pass me at around 170-180mph (I would have opened up a lead which would start to decrease), and then it would be gone.

Off the line, though, is where bikes are really unbeatable by 99.9% of cars- here, an S1000RR (which is what the new bike I've ordered is based on) easily beats a Veyron and Lamborghini:

**Albert Shagnastier** · 14-01-2014, 10:22 PM

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

The car looks quicker to me

It is

**Bettyboo** · 14-01-2014, 10:22 PM

That Lambo is pathetic, I'm certain the missus would beat him say from Taksin Pier to BangMod...

You're right that litre bikes (and probably some lesser) slaughter the cars in acceleration from low speeds. Even cars that do 0-60mph in 3 seconds are being well left behind, so the big bikes are bloody fast.

Originally Posted by FailSafe

Please tell your wife to bring cash- I ain't running for pink slips against a City (not worth my time).

Sounds like you're chicken to me. Very sensible, I've seen the way she drives...

This Lotus Elise seems to keep with bikes pretty easily around the bendy bits. Would you folks say this was rather too dangerous and irresponsible on public roads?

**klong toey** · 14-01-2014, 10:50 PM

No just a normal day for me on a motorbike,when i was young.

Good little car that Lotus with some sticky rubber on.

**Bettyboo** · 14-01-2014, 11:27 PM

^I had a Lotus, LT. Wrote it off...

**FailSafe** · 15-01-2014, 06:01 AM

^^^

Those riders and the driver had some skill, but that was absolutely moronic from a safety perspective- using both forward lanes on an empty road is somewhat acceptable, but crossing the double-yellow (especially on blind turns) is insane and an unacceptable risk to others- it's the assholes like that that make the rest of us look bad.

Does the video description name the bike models? One looked like a 400cc supermoto.

**Bettyboo** · 15-01-2014, 03:09 PM

^can't find any info, other than probably in Korea? Not good to use a public road as an all lane race track, I agree. But, is Bkk traffic much different (at much lower speeds...)?

Here's one that has more info and less dangerous driving. The 600s and 750 can easily pull away at times, but around bends and combers the elise pulls them in. Not sure the bikes are trying particularly hard in this one.

**FailSafe** · 15-01-2014, 03:27 PM

^

Sports cars stop better (above 100kph) and have way more grip (4 contact patches vs 2) than bikes, so a good driver can catch up in the corners- that Lotus handles like a slot-car, but the road wasn't so tight that he should have stayed so close (IMHO), and it didn't look like the bikes were giving it 100%- on race courses, though, good drivers are usually faster than good riders as far as lap times go- you can only push a bike so hard in the corners before unpleasant things happen.

Here's a good video of a GT-R vs a 1098S (the previous generation Ducati superbike):

**Bettyboo** · 15-01-2014, 03:42 PM

^that's a really nice video that, Captain America. Good find.

**klong toey** · 15-01-2014, 11:56 PM

Got pretty close to a Lotus today,mind you we were both parked up.

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