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    Well, if textile suits were better for protection and abrasion resistance, professionals would be using them, and they're not (though there is some interesting stuff being done with high-grade cordura, it's expensive and tends not breathe as well as it has to be very thick to match leather's abrasion resistance- there are also some new Kevlar fabrics being worked on that might run out to be pretty good) . While I'm very interested in good air-flow and always go for the perforated option, the number one concern is safe gear, and that makes leather the best choice. I agree that there are good (and cheaper) textile choices out there, but leather is the way to go on a sport bike, IMHO. Leather also tends to survive minor crashes way better where textile is usually done after a get-off.

    I've got some textile stuff, but if I'm planning to ride hard for a few hours I wouldn't choose it- if I wanted to go on a long tour I would probably buy an Aerostich Roadcrafter suit (though it's not cheap at $900).

    Also, I'm in shape and work hard to stay that way- I'm not worried about looking bad in my gear.
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    leather is more stretchable and doesnt "catch" the wind, more aerodynamic, so in sportsbiking probably better, as you have to change position on the bike quickly and heavily...

    otherwise, i can only tell, that the guys in leather suits were suffering... whether on short tours and most on long...

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    Quote Originally Posted by alitongkat View Post
    leather is more stretchable and doesnt "catch" the wind, more aerodynamic, so in sportsbiking probably better, as you have to change position on the bike quickly and heavily...

    otherwise, i can only tell, that the guys in leather suits were suffering... whether on short tours and most on long...
    I believe in dressing for the crash- if that means running a bit hotter, I'll do it. At least by choosing quality hot-weather gear, I'll be more prepared if things go south. Good gear can mean the difference between walking away and being carried away.

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    im really unaware, that leather is better in terms of safety...

    in most accidents you wont rub long time over the street...
    (when leather abrasion could be MAYBE an advantage)...

    more likely you will HIT something quickly...

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    Quote Originally Posted by FailSafe View Post
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    I needed a new pair of boots as well- I found a pair of Alpinestars Supertech R boots on close-out for $299
    I have a pair of these.
    Will never buy them again.
    Very comfy to wear, but a real pain in the neck taking them off and on. Once I've worn them out. I'm moving back to Sidi.
    Having tried them out, I don't agree with you at all as far as putting them on goes- as recommended on the net, putting the brace inside the main boot before putting our foot in works great- they couldn't be easier to slip in-and-out of- I've read that if you put the brace on our foot first and then try to put on the boot it's nearly impossible- is this what you've been doing?

    They are super-comfortable right out of the box- what a great boot.
    long time ago, i had alpinestars (offroad) boots too...
    they couldnt have looked any more cool and decent, really...

    i regularly had bleeding hands, after i managed them on/off, spending considerably time on it...
    they were of course quite high and so stiff, that it was almost impossible to walk...

    would also never buy such things again...

    best boots (for sportsbiking) are imo those reaching between knee and ankle,
    with zipper, but NO other stuff on it (closures)...
    nothing you can get stuck with somewhere..

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    I've been down a few times over the years- abrasion-resistance is extremely important, especially on a sport bike where most accidents are low sides in the twisties- impact resistance is important a well, but that's a function of armor and has nothing to do with fabric choice. Even at relatively slow speeds you're going to slide quite a bit.

    If you're interested, here are two video comparisons of the AGV Laguna jacket I had bought but returned due to size issues- the first is leather, and the second (for $135 less) is textile- personally, if I had to crash, I'd rather do it in the leather version:



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    Oops- double post- I will review other gear in a bit.

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    i have been down too... and my experience was, that injuries occured, when i got stuck somewhere (as in body has some speed, but foot is stuck) or hit something - after some sliding...
    ...the sliding itself was never the bad thing...

    (except when once dressed in street wear, which then ripped open...)


    the best material, imo, could be the one, which slows down the sliding...
    because the speed you have, the body, very much predicts the severity of injuries (often)..
    so WETHER bones will break or not... (e.g. when getting stuck somewhere during the sliding/crash...)
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    Quote Originally Posted by alitongkat View Post
    im really unaware, that leather is better in terms of safety...

    in most accidents you wont rub long time over the street...
    (when leather abrasion could be MAYBE an advantage)...

    more likely you will HIT something quickly...
    Leather is the preferred choice of every racer I have ever seen so IMO opinion has got to be the superior option.

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    The Spidi gloves ended up being a bit small and will be returned for the next larger size- I had read that they tended to run that way, but foolishly relied on their sizing chart.

    I will say that all the info about the Supertech R boot was dead-on- it runs a half size large- I've worn US size 12 (Euro 47) my entire adult life, but the 11.5 (46) fits me perfectly- I don't know if Alpinestars runs like this across the board or just in this model.

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    I really like the AGV perforated Willow pants- I wear size 32 jeans, but I went for the size 34 pants as I'm tall and wanted a bit of extra length (though they still end mid-ankle, it's not a problem as they go inside the boots)- they're a tiny bit loose, but nothing major, and the knee armor fits properly, which was my main concern.

    For $179 they were a fantastic buy, IMHO- if I felt they were lacking in protection I would have returned them, but they're excellent.

    The only potential issue I'll have is that a non-AGV jacket might come with an incompatible 360* zipper, but the pants came with an extra half-zipper that mates to the zipper already in place, which can be sewn into any jacket to attach them properly.

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    I also want to toss this out there for those that live in LOS- AGV Sport Monza One Piece Suit :: MotorcycleGear.com is absolutely giving away their AGV Monza suit on a close-out (the price in the US is $350- it's only $410 with shipping to Thailand- that's less than 13K baht- when it first came out it was $800)- the reviews of it are excellent- they have mostly larger sizes left (there's still a 44 left- at 6'2" 185lbs, I'd probably go for a 46, though it would be loose on me- if you're a bit bigger in the gut it's cut more generously than many other suits)- I'm thinking about grabbing one just to have it around if needed as it's so cheap:


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    the prices for the leather pants and the one-piece-suit are really incredible...
    why did AGV drop so much with the pricing?

    bmw have nice sports suits too... but pants around 500 british pounds, jacket more... looks good, but much too expensive - as usual...



    the BMW one piece suit goes for .... 1,500 GBP


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    Most of the stuff being discounted is the summer line (which is probably being discontinued- most of it came out in 2010 and 2011 and will be replaced in 2013)- a lot of places are getting rid of their perforated stuff now that winter is on the way in the US and the riding season is winding down in most areas.

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    Here's a review of the Monza suit:


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    I've been using the Motoport stuff kevlar mesh stuff for a few years now.
    It's quite expensive and a bit heavy, not really all that cool, all the armor and the poor suit design prevents the mesh from working as well as it could, but it does offer very good protection from impact and road rash. It's also durable, it will survived a get-off. My old Joe Rocket mesh offered minimal protection and didn't survive the one crash it had.
    I now have two of the Motoport outfits, one I use for Asia and the other for South America. The stuff is really very bulky and heavy to travel by air with.
    The Schoeller kevlar they use is pretty good stuff. The ticket would be to group buy some of the fabric from Suisse and have some gear made in Bangkok.
    I reckon some of us could put our heads together and come up with something pretty cool, me thinks.

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    ^

    Getting the fabric and the tailoring wouldn't be a big deal, but the stitching would worry me- that's the weak point on most gear and it's not easy to get right.

    I'm surprised you don't have an Aerostich suit- that seems like the ticket for your type of touring.

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    I just ordered a different jacket- I liked it before at $770, but it was too expensive- they just dropped the price of the perforated model to a close-out price of $599, so I treated myself to a Dainese Rebel jacket (in black/white/red- the solid black was sold out in my size)- it's a bit of a poser jacket, but I don't care:



    I added a Forcefield back protector as well:


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    looks very stylish !

    600$ is a lot, but not too much...

    imo, a jacket can have color, with the pants and boots a bit more careful...

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    The pants and boots are black (pics are elsewhere in the thread)- I would have gotten all black as I'm not a huge fan of the white sections, but I was just happy they still had my size in stock in any color- the close-out stuff goes fast.

    I was a bit down on Dainese for not providing any back protection at all- they could have at least provided some upgradable foam (though I would probably still have gotten the back protector to go with it) in the purchase price- you can see in the pic above that there's nothing there at all (though the elbow and shoulder armor they provide is all CE-rated).

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    when you are tall, some color looks good, better than all black, imo...

    and the jacket is nice with black pants...
    with the white you can always clean with leather soap...

    with the protectors they make extra money...
    and you have to replace them after a crash, i think(?)

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    Some have to be replaced as they don't rebound from compression and are considered 'single use'- the one above doesn't have that issue and doesn't lose structural integrity in a crash and can be used again (though hopefully I won't have to test it...)

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    Did motorcyclegear.com work with you on the customs decleration?

    What were some of the import duties via usps?

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    Quote Originally Posted by yankee99 View Post
    Did motorcyclegear.com work with you on the customs decleration?

    What were some of the import duties via usps?
    I didn't buy the suit listed above (they still have a few available, though).

    I got my stuff through Revzilla, and it was all brought in as checked baggage through the airport so no issues in the case of what's listed in this thread. At other times with orders I've been hit with duty, but never that much- if you have it listed as 'clothing' on the declaration (which most shippers will do) the duty seems to be less (or nothing)- having the declared value listed lower (which most shippers won't do, but some will) also helps, but it lowers your ability to make an insurance claim if something is lost.

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    ^ thought you may be interested in this ventilation/waterproofing system, probably still a bit hot for Thailand though I don't think there is any kit which isn't! Horizon jacket.

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