Godless Atheist Buddhist

[baldrick]

and Unconscious will mean just that - passed out pissed

subconscious and nonconscious structures equivalent to the Anima, Shadow, Superego, Id, Somatic Memory, Computational Structures, and others yet without name, and be able to identify which brain organs are involved. But they will not discover the Unconscious Mind to be something separate from these structures. If the terms Preconscious, Subconscious and Unconscious are used at all, they will be used as adjectives to describe how deeply these unconscious structures are buried, and whether they are open to introspection. Preconscious will mean "easily accessible," Subconscious will mean "only accessible under special circumstances," and Unconscious will mean just that

[stroller]

Yet what's unconscious now may become subconscious or preconscious - through life events, therapy or meditation.
Closely linked to the Buddhist path of liberation.

[billy the kid]

what's unconscious now may become subconscious or preconscious,

yea got that, clear as peanut wine.

[Munted]

so if you're 'seeking' Truth you'll never come upon it. Never. Amen.

Quite true that. Notice that's qualified for you'll never find absolute truth or if you believe you have you've actually just discovered a dogma set up by the 'wise' ones or the 'enlightened' ones, or the 'elders'. This is ok if you're seeking a god or guru and you wish to become a slave to the dogma and the interpretations of such an adoption, as determined by the 'wise' ones etc. Even relative 'truths' are subject to a process of becoming or unbecoming. So best not to become too attached to them, it's a delusion that such 'truths' will be good for forever and a day.

[bankao dreamer]

Theravada Buddhism an observation.

Recently the Wat over the road from us built a 5 Buddha statue thingy. The material costs where cajoled and shamed out from the locals. When it was finished they held tbe blessing mumbo jumbo. For 5 days a "monk" armed with a microphone proceded to emotionally extort the last Baht from the locals.
His words of wisdom included much enlightenment.
Eg
If you only donate B20 to a B100 you will leave here feeling ashamed and will not be able to look your fellow villagers in the eye.
If you only donate B100 to a B1000 you will feel a bit better but this feeling will not last and you will not get in heaven.
The more money you donate the higher place in heaven you will reach, it doesn't matter if you have no money left to buy food you can always eat cup noodles. You will be rewarded in heaven or the next life.

This went on for 5 hours every day for 5 days. By the finish the locals were bled dry and the supply of instant noodles from the village shop was exhausted. The tab book was full.

Enlightenment !!! The only thing enlightened was there wallets and purses.

[billy the kid]

so if you're 'seeking' Truth you'll never come upon it. Never. Amen.

Quite true that. Notice that's qualified for you'll never find absolute truth or if you believe you have you've actually just discovered a dogma set up by the 'wise' ones or the 'enlightened' ones, or the 'elders'.

key word in there is 'you' as self has to be absent. the history of the self is in your head. all of it. piwanoi hit the nail on the head when he said nobody was 'perfect' and let's thank nature for that. i will challenge anybody, any Guru , so called leader in the field and send them back into the hole they crawled out off. there is only one Truth
It has got nothing to do with truth as we usually know it. the word was hi-jacked.
by authority. all this reading from books that are 2 or 3000 yrs old is poppy cock.
believe if you wish but it will not help you. too many isms in there.
you will always remain in the land of nod. with a few adjustments maybe.
when you 'think' all of your history comes forth from memory.
all you have ever learnt and all the experiences you have had.
you can analyse all you want but it's the 'you' that is doing it when looking at your. history.
the only way to by-pass all the history is to be aware of thought because that is the sum of your history.
seeing that it is petty and then to drop it 'is'.
to observe without the observer is where it's at, without self.
nobody is ever 'perfect' because the most marvellous and wonderous is that we can learn something everyday.
if we say we are perfect then you may as well die.
sometimes i wanna take people by the scruff of the neck and bang their heads together an sayd wake the fuck up.
we don't need any leaders or organised religio as its all in the here and now.
thought has its place but education has truly conditioned and brainwashed it.
we need a new beginning.
thought is always judge-mental and comparing. controlling muther fucker.
in the art of survival which is watching ,listening, learning.
but we rarely do listen as thought butts in.
put that in your pipe and smoke it.

[toddaniels]

I always thought (or had it pounded into my head as a kid in church) there was only one guy in the history of humanity who was "perfect", but we crucified him.

Took wanting to be perfect right off of my list o' stuff to strive.

[billy the kid]

but we crucified him.

and then told to worship that, .

the Resurrection was invented around 5 or 600 ad and slipped into the story.

we now have a new slant on the meaning being pushed.
that a bankrupt man can resurrect himself in the UK.
and be a rich bastard again.
vote tory in the election and find out how. .

[thaimeme]

I always thought (or had it pounded into my head as a kid in church) there was only one guy in the history of humanity who was "perfect", but we crucified him.

Took wanting to be perfect right off of my list o' stuff to strive.

Cultural conditioning, manipulation, and continued propaganda can be a destructive force, Todly....

Yet, it works for them.....as most capitulate to the instinctive cultural-centric coercion.

[Munted]

vote tory in the election and find out how. .

vote labour in the erection and find out how... same, same.

[Munted]

Enlightenment !!! The only thing enlightened was there wallets and purses.

I can believe this. What do these animist (spirit house) practices have to do with Buddhism, as in the Pali canon? That's a rhetorical question, to which the answer is absolutely 'nothing'! Thais will engage with such money-raking processes because they have an emotional affinity with basic, unencumbered Buddhist philosophy and desire this not to be lost within their society. The monks are tasked with promoting this philosophy but this insipid, feeble version of Buddhism is stripped of anything which might motivate an alternative to the existing hierarchies in Thai society. If one considers the Pali canon as basically a revolutionary text which promoted a philosophy and lifestyle which contradicted the then dominant religion, it's easy to see why some aspects of it were neglected, and others promoted.

[billy the kid]

so to come upon something New
we have to drop the old/past
the history which is thought operating
there can be no trace off that.
only then can the new enter
and only then Truth which the ancients talked about
can maybe come.
'you' cannot seek it.
it's not something you can play with.
when there is an insight into this,,,, not just a verbal understanding.
but to see that thought can play no part
as thought represents the past.

Does this shed any light on what has to happen ?

that you have to dump everything,, all the books etc.

not easy i know because of our education.
and everyone in the same boat.

Die to the past.

[Seekingasylum]

Theravada Buddhism has about as much to do with Buddhas' teachings as the medieval catholic church had to do with Jesus's.

It's a mix of animism, ancestor worship and religion for profit wrapped in a monks robe.

....without deeps convictions of a dogmatic entity.
More akin to life reflections.

A better effort from Jeff than of late.

Only the sighted are blind but it is the mute who finds the deepest truffle before the one- eyed pig, grasshopper.

Buddhism as practised here is not a religion but simply a tree to wai for good luck.

[thaimeme]

Theravada Buddhism has about as much to do with Buddhas' teachings as the medieval catholic church had to do with Jesus's.

It's a mix of animism, ancestor worship and religion for profit wrapped in a monks robe.

....without deeps convictions of a dogmatic entity.
More akin to life reflections.

A better effort from Jeff than of late.

Only the sighted are blind but it is the mute who finds the deepest truffle before the one- eyed pig, grasshopper.

Buddhism as practised here is not a religion but simply a tree to wai for good luck.

Today, it's practised without humility and driven with a purpose of needless accumulation and consumption - absorbed with self and absent of cause.

[billy the kid]

when the self/thought is dropped then Attention is there
in front of your nose
don't expect a result
cause that is conditioning operating.

note,,, you do become what you're attached too.

[Munted]

Upshot of this thread is thus. If you're a western guy or gal and interested in Buddhism your path isn't in Thailand and it's corruption of Buddhism (to Thai culture). Buddhism is inevitably, historically, adept at adjusting to the culture of where it's at.

[thaimeme]

Upshot of this thread is thus. If you're a western guy or gal and interested in Buddhism your path isn't in Thailand and it's corruption of Buddhism (to Thai culture). Buddhism is inevitably, historically, adept at adjusting to the culture of where it's at.

...as it has proven historically, without incident.

[billy the kid]

Buddhism is inevitably, historically, adept at adjusting to the culture of where it's at.

well that's if you listen to the folk who invent isms, bullshit ,horseshit, whatever you want to hear.
there is no philosophy, it IS or it isn't.

If you only donate B20 to a B100 you will leave here feeling ashamed and will not be able to look your fellow villagers in the eye.
If you only donate B100 to a B1000 you will feel a bit better but this feeling will not last and you will not get in heaven.
The more money you donate the higher place in heaven you will reach, it doesn't matter if you have no money left to buy food you can always eat cup noodles. You will be rewarded in heaven or the next life.

pretty much how they all work. How capitalism got started. yes/no.

even when you had nowt you still had to give. if you wanted to see heaven.
what a racket.
and now a load of Virgins wait for some martyr.

we need to shut it all down and start again.
it's all Illusion.

[Munted]

billy, I will be back in Thailand soon. PM your address. i would like to smoke some with you, as you are obviously on something quite powerful.

[billy the kid]

Not in Thailand now. UK now.

They'll kill me if i go back .