Thai's and garbage dumping......

[Stumpy]

Not sure if best here or Lounge but a bit of a rant,

What is it with Thai's and garbage????

So my GF's family has started arriving at our place here by the beach from up north. Nice break for them from the cold. Friendly group of folks. Anyway I took her uncle for a little ride around the beach area about 200 yds or so from our house. Now mind you this is not a beach resort place area, its a group of small homes off the beaten path in a quiet area. Anyway as we approached the beach somebody had dumped a F'n truck load of garbage in plastic bags right on it. Now that was bad enough but every friggen soi dog for 25kms was rummaging through it tearing every bag open and fighting. So this shit was now spread out everywhere. Even more pathetic this is backed up against a very nice temple. I mean come on WTF?!?!. They could have dumped this shit in a field somewhere and no one would have even noticed. Why the beach?. I mean for Christs Sake, the Temple has garbage pick up if you put outside the front.

Anyway Monks were cleaning it up as we approached so I hopped off Wave with her uncle and we helped them pick it all up and bury the rest.

Now I am not an enviro freak by any means but sheeeeesh...........

[Bangyai]

Thais have little respect for mother nature.....which is a pity .

[aging one]

They have have never been taught to respect mother nature or their country in reality. If they had they would not be encouraged from kids to just fling shit out the window. In reality their disregard for the environment may turn out to be a fatal flaw. Look at the floods, and the underlying reasons it occurred.

[Carrabow]

They have have never been taught to respect mother nature or their country in reality. If they had they would not be encouraged from kids to just fling shit out the window. In reality their disregard for the environment may turn out to be a fatal flaw. Look at the floods, and the underlying reasons it occurred.

You are too right, many times I have seen them cleaning out sewers and drains plugged with plastic bags.

[Stumpy]

It is really quite sad. Thailand has arguably some of the most beautiful islands and beaches to see and yet sadly Thai's will be the ones that destroy them.

While I understand that a refuse infrastructure is not completely in place they do have places to put shit and a beach is not one of them.

So it goes, we cleaned it up. The Monks thanked us and gave us their blessing and we headed off.

[tsicar]

it's all part of the "i don't give a fuck" mindset.

throw the shit everywhere as long as it is not on your own doorstep.

at my kids' school in the village, the teachers made the kids do a "chicken parade" every morning:
they were chased around the playground to pick up all the litter before school started.
i used to watch them run straight to the tuckshop afterward to buy shit in plastic bags before the bell rang and dump the crap where they stood, just to be made to pick it up again the next morning.
even a bloody monkey should have been able to figure it out, but not the thais!

..it's not lack of education: it's the 'kkin CULTURE!

[Strongarm]

The number of times I've seen a Thai adult eating something out of a styrofoam container and then dump the half finsihed container right where they stand and walk off like its "normal".

You're right, its the whole "don't give a fuck as long as its not on my doorstep" attitude.

[tsicar]

The number of times I've seen a Thai adult eating something out of a styrofoam container and then dump the half finsihed container right where they stand and walk off like its "normal".

.

but it IS normal for them!

one thing that pissed me off big time, and i never got my head around it:
my ex (thai) wife, when we lived in south africa, would run around picking up my cigarette butts as and when i flicked them into the flower beds in MY garden, and crap all over me for doing so.
...first thing i saw her do when we got to thailand was to dump the 'kkin styrofoam just where she finished it- as you just described.
when i questioned her about it i got the usual: "this thailand- you don' unnerstan'!"

'kkin right, i don' 'kkin unnerstan'.

an' i never will, either!!i

[dirtydog]

Jomtien 2nd Road now seems to be the locals rubbish dump, this pic was taken about 10 months ago, it is a lot worse now, shall get a new photo tomorrow.



Of course we do still have our pristine beaches which is what makes Pattaya a world class destination.

[alwarner]

I'm trying to train my 7 year old at the moment. If I haven't got my eyes on him all the time he'll just fling shit on to the street. Not sure exactly where it comes from as his ma doesn't do it or his other immediate relatives.

It's endemic I think.

[WujouMao]

Not sure if best here or Lounge but a bit of a rant,

What is it with Thai's and garbage????

So my GF's family has started arriving at our place here by the beach from up north. Nice break for them from the cold. Friendly group of folks. Anyway I took her uncle for a little ride around the beach area about 200 yds or so from our house. Now mind you this is not a beach resort place area, its a group of small homes off the beaten path in a quiet area. Anyway as we approached the beach somebody had dumped a F'n truck load of garbage in plastic bags right on it. Now that was bad enough but every friggen soi dog for 25kms was rummaging through it tearing every bag open and fighting. So this shit was now spread out everywhere. Even more pathetic this is backed up against a very nice temple. I mean come on WTF?!?!. They could have dumped this shit in a field somewhere and no one would have even noticed. Why the beach?. I mean for Christs Sake, the Temple has garbage pick up if you put outside the front.

Anyway Monks were cleaning it up as we approached so I hopped off Wave with her uncle and we helped them pick it all up and bury the rest.

Now I am not an enviro freak by any means but sheeeeesh...........

Not just Thailand. Laos, Philippines, Vietnam and Malaysia too. Never think that its their rubbish chucked in the gutter causes the sewer system to choke which in turns floods the roads.

[pescator]

Few years ago we stayed at what appeared to be a pristine beach on Koh Kood in the Koh Chang archipelago.
Every morning there was so much shit washed up on this tiny beach that we had to spend an hour with the locals to pick it up.
One day, 6-7 large fishing vessels anchored in this small secluded bay.
Within the hour, all kinds of garbage was washed ashore. The 100+ fishermen just threw their thrash overboard combined with generous amounts of oil, leaking from the engines onto one of the prettiest beaches I have ever seen anywhere.

We brought it to the manager`s attention. (manager of the resort) He was furious, called the owner, who just happens to own a very large chunk of this island.
He gave them Hell, within 20 minutes the fishing vessels left, probably only to continue their pollution elsewhere.
I am sure that the owner didnt give a fok about the garbage disposal, he just worried about his business.

[harrybarracuda]

Remember when the Thai "greens" were bleating about Danny Boyle filming in Maya Bay? Until he removed tons of rubbish and left it in a better state that it had been in for years.

They're thick as shit.

[ENT]

Same in India.

I used to live in Darjeeling, a beautiful place years ago.
Clean air, beautiful sunlight.

On a recent visit there after many years absence, I was shocked to see so much garbage caught up in fences and bushes, drains and trees.

The pure white clouds rising from the plains every morning are now brown.
Kanchenjunga would rise above Himalaya, like a queen of the skies, from October through to March, every range of mountains clearly seen.
Everest was a glory to behold, fishbowling in mirage across the roof of the world all the way to Caspia!

I took a friend to see Everest at dawn on a fine December morning.

No show at all.
Pollution laden smog covered our Queen of the Skies and Mountains.

EVERYBODY coughed.

We as humans have shit on our Mother.

For that transgression we will die.

Don't blame the Indians alone for that.

Do you drive an economically preferable DIESEL vehicle?
Then consider yourself part of the problem.

Do you drive a Hydrogen hybrid vehicle?
If so, consider yourself as a problem, but part of the answer to reducing pollution.

I built and used a Hydrogen (HHO) unit and used and tested it in Darjeeling, saving 30% carbon fuel costs.
Did the same in Pai/Mae Hongson the following year.
Then I repeated the exercise on two more cars in Chiangmai.
All tests showed a reduction of 30% + in carbon based fuel use.

In P'ma, I was questioned by Tatmadaw about the alternative energy systems that I was promoting to the poor there at the time, warned to keep my "politics" to Rangoon
(Yangon).

Garbage in Chiangmai?
Heaps dumped at customary garbage points.
One on the end of Soi 5, Moon Muang outside a wat.

No big problem, as the P'mese re-cyclers cleaned up all the crap left behind by the municipal garbage collectors.

Chiangmai was relatively garbage free.
Pai and Maehongson, similar.

[Crepitus]

Same in India.

I used to live in Darjeeling, a beautiful place years ago.
Clean air, beautiful sunlight.

On a recent visit there after many years absence, I was shocked to see so much garbage caught up in fences and bushes, drains and trees.

The pure white clouds rising from the plains every morning are now brown.
Kanchenjunga would rise above Himalaya, like a queen of the skies, from October through to March, every range of mountains clearly seen.
Everest was a glory to behold, fishbowling in mirage across the roof of the world all the way to Caspia!

I took a friend to see Everest at dawn on a fine December morning.

No show at all.
Pollution laden smog covered our Queen of the Skies and Mountains.

EVERYBODY coughed.

We as humans have shit on our Mother.

For that transgression we will die.

Don't blame the Indians alone for that.

Do you drive an economically preferable DIESEL vehicle?
Then consider yourself part of the problem.

Do you drive a Hydrogen hybrid vehicle?
If so, consider yourself as a problem, but part of the answer to reducing pollution.

I built and used a Hydrogen (HHO) unit and used and tested it in Darjeeling, saving 30% carbon fuel costs.
Did the same in Pai/Mae Hongson the following year.
Then I repeated the exercise on two more cars in Chiangmai.
All tests showed a reduction of 30% + in carbon based fuel use.

In P'ma, I was questioned by Tatmadaw about the alternative energy systems that I was promoting to the poor there at the time, warned to keep my "politics" to Rangoon
(Yangon).

Garbage in Chiangmai?
Heaps dumped at customary garbage points.
One on the end of Soi 5, Moon Muang outside a wat.

No big problem, as the P'mese re-cyclers cleaned up all the crap left behind by the municipal garbage collectors.

Chiangmai was relatively garbage free.
Pai and Maehongson, similar.

Was just reading about an Everest disaster climb ( Into Thin Air..1996) and the author mentioned that Everest was becoming a big garbage dump courtesy of all the expeditions..

went to a cave Wat yesterday about 100k north of Satun..beautiful caves and whatnot ..BUT very untidy and unkempt with just enough garbage to really spoil it...that and the flourescents and wiring hung willy nilly everyplace...such a shame

Was on a beach Mornington peninsular ( Melbourne) some years back... a Greek family (must a bin altleast a hundred of 'em) got up from their picnic and walked away from a tip of bottles, cans, paper, foodstuffs etc all left on the beach .. some 20 metres from a garbage bin....some people .....they are everyplace!!!

Still trying to stop wife from hoying her garbage out the truck window...she sneaks it out when she thinks I am not looking.
....and of course any passengers will always leave all sorts of garbage in the truck inside or in the bed...sigh..the farang garbage fairy will just make it disappear till next time..

....once one of the kids' friends' threw her used tampon out of our downstairs bathroom window .!!!


Still, have to admit in my youth, hoying beer bottles over the roof of the Olds' land barge into the snow banks in middle of the Canadian prairie...555

[taxexile]

ent

I built and used a Hydrogen (HHO) unit and used and tested it in Darjeeling, saving 30% carbon fuel costs.
Did the same in Pai/Mae Hongson the following year.
Then I repeated the exercise on two more cars in Chiangmai.
All tests showed a reduction of 30% + in carbon based fuel use.

proof please.



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Do hydrogen car conversion kits really work?

and if so what is a good one to get?
Richard

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Assuming you are talking about the kits or plans from places like www agua-luna com or water 4 gas or from any number of venders let me tell you it won’t and can’t work.

Assuming your engine is in perfect tune, you get about 20%-to 37% the energy you put into it back as work, you lose about 7% to friction and the rest is lost in the cooling system and exhaust. Now assuming your alternator is 55% efficient, and let do the math.

Gasoline has 18,000 BTUs per pound.

So now we have 18,000 BTUs to play with, assuming we have a very efficient engine we start with 18,000 times your engine efficiency (18000 x .37) we now have 6660 BTUs to do all the work, this is drive the car turn the alternator etc.

Now, if we use ALL that power to drive the alternator and our alternator that is 55% efficient our 6660 now becomes 3663 BTU. (6660 X .55) So to break EVEN that 3663 BTU must produce 18,000 BTU of hydrogen, and to increase your fuel mileage it MUST make more.

I know they told you the alternator is wasting electricity, it isn’t, when you don’t need as much electricity your alternator doesn’t put it out and thus doesn’t use as much power from the engine. But there is NO way for 3663 BTUs to make 18000 BTU if it could you would be making more power then you use.

Now agua-luna also says to use lye and aluminum and water to make hydrogen. I want you to think about this Lye and water is very a corrosive to aluminum, and yes it will make hydrogen, but as it bubbles up you not only get hydrogen, you also get an aerosol that contains lye and water so it will corrode aluminum heads and who knows what its going to do to the seals. So you might ruin your engine, and don't even think about breathing this stuff, it can kill you.

And think of the power it took to make the aluminum in the first place, you’d be better of energy wise to recycle the aluminum then using it for fuel.

http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/ch…

It just a con to separate you from you money.

EDIT

Matthew B.

No my science isn’t wrong; I used BTU’s on purpose. Any fuel only has so much energy in it; most fuels are rated in BTUs. The numbers I used are readily available from many sources and if you wish I can post a link to them.

Gasoline has only so much potential heat to be used for work, 18,000 BTUs per pound, we already know how efficient an internal combustion engine is, 37% at best of all the energy consumed is used for work. We know how much is lost to friction 7% and the rest goes into the cooling system or the exhaust. By used only BTUs I could keep all the numbers in the same units.

So if only 37% of the heat is used for work, it doesn’t matter if I convert to kilowatts then HP first then back to BTUs or not. There is no need to estimate, I know how many BTUs at best are transferred, because we already know from research how much of each unit of energy is used.

“I don't know how much it needs but I believe it is ridiculous to assume that half the engine's output goes towards turning the powering the alternator.”

I didn’t say it took half the engine’s output to power and alternator, I said you lose half of the power you put into an alternator, a big difference. Even if an alternator was 90% efficient you are still losing power. Notice I didn’t even go into the energy need to crack water into hydrogen and oxygen. Now in order of this device to work, that is increase your fuel mileage, you have to make more BTU’s of fuel as you consume there isn’t a device out there that can do that.

If I didn’t care about other’s I wouldn’t take the time to post at all, and if you wish go ahead and try this device and any other device you wish, just know this device has been around since the 1970’s and it’s been tested many, many times, and it failed every time. So not only does the math not work out, if it did it would violate the laws of thermodynamics, but it’s been tested in the real world many times and it failed.

Also just one last thing your link take you to a web site that want to sell you a two books for only $97, and I noticed that in your post you said nothing to show where my math was wrong or my assumptions were wrong. Like I said I can point to tons of research you point to a web site that want to sell you something

If you are talking about the kits that use power from your cars alternator to produce hydrogen via electrolysis of water, they will certainly produce hydrogen, but they will not increase your gas milage or reduce tail pipe emissions. In fact, they will decrease gas milage and probably increase emissions. Google perpetual motion and second law of thermodynamics to find out why.

Anything to do with hydrogen is not for shade tree mechanics. Hydrogen leaks through almost anything. It is the most explosive gas there is .

They are scams. Don't waste your money.

[DrAndy]

..it's not lack of education: it's the 'kkin CULTURE!

The number of times I've seen a Thai adult eating something out of a styrofoam container and then dump the half finsihed container right where they stand and walk off like its "normal". You're right, its the whole "don't give a fuck as long as its not on my doorstep" attitude.

It's endemic I think.

Not just Thailand. Laos, Philippines, Vietnam and Malaysia too. Never think that its their rubbish chucked in the gutter causes the sewer system to choke which in turns floods the roads.

They're thick as shit.

Same in India.

Everest was becoming a big garbage dump courtesy of all the expeditions

bloody hell, all those whinges without any real thought about the real reasons

if you did stop and think, you may realise that throwing out garbage is quite a normal thing for us humans to do

in the past, it was mainly degradable stuff, so animals would clean it up, or it would rot down

now, with all the plastic and glass, concrete and metal, it just stays and creates eyesores and worse

I see the same thing in Portugal, for example; the old people always just threw their rubbish in the fields, and it vanished. They still do the same, but now their rubbish includes plastic, glass and the rest.

so the answer is education and enforcement of laws

Tsico gave an example of school kids being made to pick up rubbish, but obviously they were not properly educated into realising that their own trash was the problem. Shouting that it is the culture is obviously crap, a kneejerk reaction to a nasty problem, as is the typical response that they are thick as shit

nonsense, it is all about making people realise that their rubbish is part of the whole problem, making people think about their actions and the consequences

[withnallstoke]

making people think about their actions and the consequences

But this is Thai people we are talking about.
Consequences are always a result of what somebody else has done.

[alwarner]

..it's not lack of education: it's the 'kkin CULTURE!

The number of times I've seen a Thai adult eating something out of a styrofoam container and then dump the half finsihed container right where they stand and walk off like its "normal". You're right, its the whole "don't give a fuck as long as its not on my doorstep" attitude.

It's endemic I think.

Not just Thailand. Laos, Philippines, Vietnam and Malaysia too. Never think that its their rubbish chucked in the gutter causes the sewer system to choke which in turns floods the roads.

They're thick as shit.

Same in India.

Everest was becoming a big garbage dump courtesy of all the expeditions

bloody hell, all those whinges without any real thought about the real reasons

if you did stop and think, you may realise that throwing out garbage is quite a normal thing for us humans to do

in the past, it was mainly degradable stuff, so animals would clean it up, or it would rot down

now, with all the plastic and glass, concrete and metal, it just stays and creates eyesores and worse

I see the same thing in Portugal, for example; the old people always just threw their rubbish in the fields, and it vanished. They still do the same, but now their rubbish includes plastic, glass and the rest.

so the answer is education and enforcement of laws

Tsico gave an example of school kids being made to pick up rubbish, but obviously they were not properly educated into realising that their own trash was the problem. Shouting that it is the culture is obviously crap, a kneejerk reaction to a nasty problem, as is the typical response that they are thick as shit

nonsense, it is all about making people realise that their rubbish is part of the whole problem, making people think about their actions and the consequences

Hey you, up there, yeah you on your high horse. can you explain how me saying "it's endemic i think" is a whinge?

cheers.

[Boon Mee]

if you did stop and think, you may realise that throwing out garbage is quite a normal thing for us humans to do

so the answer is education and enforcement of laws

Yes indeed, throwing garbage everywhere is a 'normal' thing for un-civilized humans and thus, we can unequivocally state that Thai's are not civilized.

[Bobcock]

Thai's will be the ones that destroy them.

Probably, but you know damn well they will blame the tourists

[ENT]

Drandy,

Do you still chuck trash around or do you recycle the stuff?

[Lorenzo]

Anyway as we approached the beach somebody had dumped a F'n truck load of garbage in plastic bags right on it.

What are you a tourist????

Thailand is a shit hole!! You have to ignore that filth if you want to enjoy Thailand.

[dolorous ed]

why do people insist on putting floating commas into plural nouns?

drives me up the fekking wall

[somtamslap]

I blame 7/11, for everything..