Thread: Assisting teetotalism

^ Didn't know AA was run by god-botherers.

I recall losing a wonderful and super intelligent girl to a drug rehab run by GB's in 2000-they are powerful as fuck.

Originally Posted by November Rain

I think the reason these tests don't class me as alcoholic is the fact that I don't have blackouts, I can & do stop drinking once started (but it's never after only 2 - more like 5), it doesn't affect my work (as I never drink when I have work to do & rarely in the day at all) don't need to drink in the morning etc. However, come 7pm, I want a beer (I'm lucky, I don't like spirits - just beer or wine)

Some alkies only drink beer, only drink it once a year, but when they drink it they do so until they are drunk. At different stages in my drinking career I never drank if I had to work, never drank in the day time, never drank anything but beer and wine, You go thru different stages as the disease progresses and it always gets worse, never better.
But no one but you can say if you are an alkie, deny it and you are not, admit it and you are..But if you think that you have trouble with alcohol, there must be a reason to think that, no one can say but you.

The word GOD is used in AA, and at one time it was in a religious sense, but no more, I am sober thru the program and fellowship of AA and I am an athiest. If you want to use the word GOD as a reason for drinking and not going to AA then that is up to you, but if you want to be sober more than you want to drink that word will not stop you.
there are a lot of reasons that people do not go to AA, but the main reason is they want to be drunk more than they want to be sober, so just keep drinking and most likely it will get bad enough to over look GOD as your objection to AA.
It is none of my business if anyone wants to drink, only if I choose to drink, so if that is your choice then have at er as it makes no diff to me and I could care less. But if you want to quit, then try it my way and it will work, if it doesbn't it will be your fault and not AA because I am living proof that it does work for anyone that wants it.

Originally Posted by The Gentleman Scamp

I recall losing a wonderful and super intelligent girl to a drug rehab run by GB's in 2000-they are powerful as fuck.

Is that what you call an org. that got her clean and sober and she pulled away from you because your living standards were not up to hers anymore??

na/aa has its share of fuckheads and weasels but its the most honest place i have ever been.

Haven't you ever seen that advert thing

"This is your brain""

"This is your brain on Drugs"

shit happens to smart minds when behind drugs for to long.

But I hate and do not approve any jesus freak thing either.

They tell you in any rehab, religious or otherwise, that you must break off contact with all your old friends.

Originally Posted by Deus Ex

They tell you in any rehab, religious or otherwise, that you must break off contact with all your old friends.

What does 'old friends' mean?

Friends I've known a long time?

Friends over 60?

Or everyone I have a social relationship with who drinks?

Originally Posted by Deus Ex

They tell you in any rehab, religious or otherwise, that you must break off contact with all your old friends.

Interesting, the friend who successfully went through the AA programme (he was the one with the Evian bottles of vodka), well, he seems to have almost renounced any social life whatsoever.

He just sits at home eating salads and drinking green tea, almost never goes to social gatherings and seems to have abdicated from most interactions.

He goes to his AA meetings where....who knows what they do....perhaps say, 'god i'd love a beer' & generally talk incessently about the length of their dry streak and whether drinking holy communion wine counts.

Originally Posted by Deus Ex

They tell you in any rehab, religious or otherwise, that you must break off contact with all your old friends.

No they do not tell you that, but the Book of AA does say that you should not be around people or places that make you uncomfortable and make you want to drink.

Originally Posted by November Rain

You say they drink until they get drunk. I very, very rarely do that.

Well if you do not drink because you have a craving for alcohol that you can not control, What the hell are you asking me for, You are the one that drinks it and if you can control it, why do you do it??

Originally Posted by November Rain

I'm interested. How can there be mention of God & it not be religious? How is it used/ in what concept?

AA was started and formed in 1935 and the guys that did it believed that praying and a belief in a power greater than yourself were necessary for you to be able to stay off the booze, it was a given that you could not control your drinking if you had a drink. The AA big book was written in 1937 and so some of the info was taken from that time.

Go to an AA meeting and buy for very little money a book, they come in hardbound and paperback, that is called "The big Book" or Blue Book, by members and the cover name is Alcoholics Anonymous, read it and then you will understand what it says, what it is, and what it does.

Many have tried to do it by themselves and have failed, so they come on here and ask a bunch of people, they get a bunch of answers from people that have no trouble with booze or do but are still in denial of it and then take those answers and continue to drink.
I have a proven track record of 26 years of continuous sobriety, but I give answers that will work if you do them, and that is only for people that do not want to drink any longer, if you still want to drink and are happy with your life, then you shouldn't be asking about it, but if you are not happy with drinking, but can't stop or control it then there is only one thing to do,, do not drink anything.
But you have to be completely dry, one drink and you will not be able to control what or how much you drink.
if that is not your problem then what the hell are you wasting your time, folks that know how to do it's time, and my time by asking these questions if you already have all the answers.

Like I said, for a sure thing there are only a few answers, Frisco Frankie says that these answers are bullshit, but he continues to drink and wreck a motorcycle every once in awhile, so his answers do not work. but as long as you are enjoying drinking why even think of quitting.
But if you collect a lot of different answers and take the ones that sound good to you and follow them then it is up to you.

Originally Posted by The Gentleman Scamp

Is there a drug that helps aleviate the craving for alcohol?

I think I may be an alcoholic - I don't need it in the day but I can't even socialise locally or have a friend round without beer and cigarettes fuelling each other.

Never noticed this thread before, I have been looking for something to slow down my drinking!
There are 2 things that are supposed to really help, L-Glutamine & (Paste-)
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Cheers

Originally Posted by The_Ghost_Of_The_Moog

He just sits at home eating salads and drinking green tea, almost never goes to social gatherings and seems to have abdicated from most interactions. He goes to his AA meetings where....who knows what they do....perhaps say, 'god i'd love a beer' & generally talk incessently about the length of their dry streak and whether drinking holy communion wine counts.

This whole post is just more Bullshit, seems that you can only post Bullshit.

There is a lot of socializing in AA, there is AA dances, Pot lucks, annual get to gethers in different places all over the world, poker games a couple of times a week in CM that I know of, and an annual international in Pattaya once a year, and the weekly meetings are the same as lodge or club meetings, more social function than anything else, but is a good place for new people to learn how to stay sober.
I have not been to a meeting in a couple of years, there is none where I live, so I just associate with people around here, not in any bars tho as I have nothing in common with active drunks.

"God I'd Love a Beer" is something that you would never hear us say, because we know a damn site better, we never had "A" beer in our lives, thats why we are at the meetings.

But you go ahead and talk your bullshit and do your drinking in your denial and keep as many around you as you can so you are not lonely as the folks that are in AA wil never be lonely as there are a lot of us around and we do know how to get together and have fun, and never puke in each others cars or homes.

^So basically, what you're saying is that unless everyone else's experiences CORRESPOND PRECISELY with yours, then they are invalid.

Yes my friend does say that he enjoys the AA events and meetings. That forms the crux of his social life - and he likes it. He says they do talk about ways they avoid temptation, and how to resist pangs.

However, as Blackgang isn't literally there, the latter will assume that the meetings, and the entire event is a fabrication. Because its not about him.

"Its all about me, me me," ..... the epitaph of the addict.

I find i don't want sex very much at all unless I'm drunk.

Originally Posted by The_Ghost_Of_The_Moog

Yes my friend does say that he enjoys the AA events and meetings.

So this is the truth and what you posted is Bullshit and you admit it. Ya know about the eating salads and being alone at home and never going to social gatherings.

Well anyway to answer your last TGS, keep it up and it will get worse, it always does, the same goes for NR.

or you can do as has been suggested by this silly bullshitter, or the one who says eating Kudzu roots is a sure cure for alcoholism. Or you can get hold of these people or talk to someone on the phone.

Thailand AA - Alcoholics Anonymous (TH)..

While I value BG's experience in these matters, he does come across as a bit fanatical about it. Surely, people can occasionally go out for a beer and not become rampant alcoholics?

Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog

Surely, people can occasionally go out for a beer and not become rampant alcoholics?

I believe most people can, yes.

I once heard 'having a drinking problem' defined as 'your drinking is causing your problems'.

^
that's a fair definition I reckon, even if the problems are only financial.

^ Yep, that was pretty much the gist of it as I understood it.

Basically if you go out, have a few drinks, get into a fight/have an argument/it affects your work and/or relationships/you bascially suffer for it in anyway (hagnovers accepted) then it's a 'drinking problem'.

Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog

While I value BG's experience in these matters, he does come across as a bit fanatical about it. Surely, people can occasionally go out for a beer and not become rampant alcoholics?

I never said they couldn't, has nothing to do with people drinking.
What is said is to the people that want to quit drinking and ask how to do it and if you have a problem with alcohol and want to quit then you have to quit, not just drink whenever you want to because when you drink you lose having a choice.
Being an alcoholic is not what you drink or how much you drink, or how often you drink or where you drink, but what it does to you when you do drink. And if you no longer want to drink, but seem to not be able to control it then as I have stated, you have to QUIT, and that means NONE.

Myself nor anyone else in AA gives a shit who drinks if they want to, as that is not any of our business, but if you want to quit and ask for help then we will tell you what to do to quit and what works, not to eat Kudzu vine or any bullshit, but what will work, might not be the only thing that works but for damn sure will work. so if you want to try some bullshit what do they come crying on here about what life is and how it sucks when they maybe don't want to drink, but do not want to do what it takes to quit.
if you want to try different things, there is plenty posted to try, go for it, but remember what I suggest does work for damn sure, if something else does then fine, but I don't give maybe advise, I give for damn sure advise, and you can take it or not, but don't bitch if what you did does not produce for you.

Originally Posted by The_Ghost_Of_The_Moog

I do concede BG understands alcoholism #1 having experienced it personally, and how it has ruined his life.

It has not ruined his life, It did screw up some things for awhile but it could have been a hell of a lot worse.
But I was young enough to have recovered most of the things that some lose, I still had the same wife, same kids and had a chance to start over, just to prove to people that I had changed, and that took some doing with past employers and acquaintances.

Originally Posted by The_Ghost_Of_The_Moog

Really, one should not rise to his baited hook.

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Originally Posted by ChiangMai noon

I find i don't want sex very much at all unless I'm drunk.

This wasn't a problem the past 13 months because Sandra would never have sex at night time, she was a morning person.

Maybe - blimey! That just hit me as I typed but maybe doing it at night was too close to what she was doing in Hong Kong.