Thread: Don't believe the Doctor.....

If you get bad news and the suggestion that you have an expensive Operation or treatment from a Quack here in LOS. Don't let him touch you until you have had a second opinion at a different Hospital OK?

A Urologist in Sri Racha said I had Prostate Cancer. TREATMENT: 25000bht to cut my balls off. 30000bht for an Injection every three months (for life) and 250bht for a daily pill.

Second opinion.......

The Urologist in Sirijit Queens Hospital in Sattahip did a 10000bht biopsy and said I was ok accept for a bit of Prostate inflamation which was cleared up with antibiotics.

See what I mean ?

^ Better get a third opinion, after all how do you know it was the first one wrong and not the second?

pics?

Originally Posted by Gerbil

^ Better get a third opinion, after all how do you know it was the first one wrong and not the second?

Fuck that! one says cut his balls off the other says "Here, take these pills"
What's the worst that could happen? He dies?
better'n losin yer balls, IMO.

^ 3rd one will probably say there's nothing wrong at all.....

Originally Posted by obsidian

pics?

Is Scampy posting under your nick, Obsidian?

Luckydog

Just posting the following on my blog (pattayarag) and spotted your post. Hope you dont mind but I've added your comments to my post.

Cheers,
Ed

Hospitals - Show Me The Money

For a number of years I have had annual medicals at the Bangkok Pattaya Hospital (BPH) and I have always been satisfied with the service provided. They are a little too keen to prescribe expensive medication for even the most minor ailment but other than that, no complaints. In 2005, BPH identified a problem that they advised should be monitored with quarterly scans. In 2006, I thought I'd get a second opinion and had my annual medical at the Samitivej Hospital, Sriracha. The Samitivej advised that the condition identified by BPH was minor and regular scans were unnecessary. Ahah, thought I, got you. BPH's just been on the make. My 'got you, aren't I smart' moment was short lived. The Samitivej then went on to report a totally differing set of test results to BPH. Nothing about the above normal cholesterol reported by hospitals overseas and BPH. What Samitivej did identify for the first time ever was a high PSA count which indicated possible problems with my prostate. Just mention prostate and I'm prostrate. Before the gears of my brain had re-engaged, nursing staff had led me to a specialist for the 'fickle finger' test. A test which carried an additional charge. The proctologist told me I should return for a further 'finger' in early 2007, (3 months later), as he would be taking a well earned holiday in Canada not long after that. Well earned through me I thought. I left the Samitivej still in a daze and without any form of printed medical report, (something BPH is good at), so no hard evidence of what was actually reported.
As soon as I got home and I went on the Internet to read up on my PSA results. It turns out that my score was well below the number deemed a cause for concern in the UK and USA. I then sat and wondered if the Samitivej could be so mercenary as to mess with my state of mind just to make money out of me. Unfortunately, I think the answer is yes. I'm now of the opinion that for a farang to get value for money from a Thai hospital he needs to be genuinely ill. At least then he will get what he's paying for. If you go in for a check up, for confirmation of good health, then you are viewed as nothing more than a credit card to fleece. Bit like taking your car to a mechanic back home. Apologies to all 'cowboys' of the mechanical persuasion residing in Pattaya. Sadly, as far as the medical profession goes, it appears that the Hippocratic Oath has become the Hypocrisy Oath, a.k.a. How Can We Make More Money Oath.
If you've received bad news from a check-up at a local hospital that requires you to have frequent tests, then I recommend you get a second opinion - but probably not from Samitivej. My next medical will be back at BPH so it will be interesting to see what they report. More later.
If you have a local hospital you are happy with, please let me know by e-mail or comment so I can pass it on.

The government teaching hospitals are always good. The private ones are iffy, I reckon.
My sis went for lung tests two weeks ago in a main Vancouver hospital. She got sick the next week and called the lung doc who immediately said that she probably got a bacterial infection at the hospital. WTF? Seriously sick, off work and $70 for seven anitbiotic pills. If I ever get really sick, I'm coming back to Thailand. At least I know I will be cremated properly and won't be abused by some necrophiliac at the funeral home.

Originally Posted by pattayarag

I then sat and wondered if the Samitivej could be so mercenary as to mess with my state of mind just to make money out of me. Unfortunately, I think the answer is yes.

Sad but true.

Originally Posted by Luckydog

A Urologist in Sri Racha said I had Prostate Cancer. TREATMENT: 25000bht to cut my balls off

Why did he want to chop your balls off? Treatment for prostate cancer was I thought removal of the prostate, and it aint where your balls are

Originally Posted by Propagator

Why did he want to chop your balls off?

Could be many reasons. Maybe he tried to sell him a 20K laptop for 100K or something....

Or sell them on the black market.

I'm sure a Chinese naturopath could've grinded them up into White Ghost powder or something

Originally Posted by Propagator

Why did he want to chop your balls off? Treatment for prostate cancer was I thought removal of the prostate, and it aint where your balls are

Balls make testosterone. Testosterone makes prostate cancer grow faster. Standard treatment for advanced prostate cancer.

Originally Posted by buad hai

Originally Posted by Propagator

Why did he want to chop your balls off? Treatment for prostate cancer was I thought removal of the prostate, and it aint where your balls are

Balls make testosterone. Testosterone makes prostate cancer grow faster. Standard treatment for advanced prostate cancer.

Exactly right my friend.

I like the Queens Hospital in Sattahip. You wait for ages to see the Doctor but he is free!. You only pay for treatment and medication.

It seems that almost all the invasive treatments for Prostate Cancer have such bad side effects it is often best to do nothing!
It is a very slow form of Cancer and you, if you are an old git like me, are likely to die of a Heart attack or something else, before IT kills you.

Originally Posted by November Rain

Originally Posted by Luckydog

Originally Posted by buad hai

Originally Posted by Propagator

Why did he want to chop your balls off? Treatment for prostate cancer was I thought removal of the prostate, and it aint where your balls are

Balls make testosterone. Testosterone makes prostate cancer grow faster. Standard treatment for advanced prostate cancer.

Exactly right my friend.

I like the Queens Hospital in Sattahip. You wait for ages to see the Doctor but he is free!. You only pay for treatment and medication.

It seems that almost all the invasive treatments for Prostate Cancer have such bad side effects it is often best to do nothing!
It is a very slow form of Cancer and you, if you are an old git like me, are likely to die of a Heart attack or something else, before IT kills you.

Sounds very iffy to me. Chances are if your "cancer" was so advanced as to need to remove your testicles, you'd be feeling pretty bloody rotten in yourself, generally.

What tests were done (by both doctors)? Cancer markers? Ultrasound? What were the injections for life? From the price it sounds like possibly chemotherapy, but that isn't how chemotherapy regimes are administered (over a lifetime period). Was radiotherapy mentioned? Did the doctor who mentioned cancer do other tests to check for metasteses (secondary cancers)? If they thought your "cancer" was that advanced, that should have been standard procedure, also.

Makes you wonder whether care or profit are the primary concerns in some places, doesn't it?

First Quack did MRI,Ultrasound and Catscans. Then said Cancer for sure. I asked if he wanted to do a Biopsy he said no not necessary.

Second one said you cant tell if Cancer is there without a Biopsy.
He did one and could not find evidence of Cancer. But my PSA
was 17!.
So Watchful Waiting is the order of the day......I get up two or three times a night to Pee, but the flow is very good.
Taking a course of Chinese Herbs fom China now to reduce the size of the Prostate HOPEFULLY.

Originally Posted by pattayarag

I then sat and wondered if the Samitivej could be so mercenary as to mess with my state of mind just to make money out of me. Unfortunately, I think the answer is yes.

The Samitivej Hospital in Bangkok is just as corrupt. I recommend then as one to avoid.