Thread: Supplements

Years ago I enjoyed Speights draught while at their brewery pub in Dunedin though it wasn't a pilsner.
Possibly a light porter as it was a dark hue of gold (but not brown)...maybe an amber ale.
I enjoyed it so much I purchased a tee-shirt there.

Where's Bill Blaney? He's usually all over these whackjob "I'm an Internet Doctor, I Am!" threads? Starved to death?

^^ It's not a bad drop for a commercial Kiwi beer.

The water used comes from a spring below the Speights brewery, lowest fluoride levels in NZ, it's claimed.

Locals get their fresh drinking and cooking water from there, as the Dunedin water supplies loaded with fluorides.

The Otago uni dental college keeps the pressure on to fluoridate the water as it the excess fluoride causes fluorosis which dentists then get paid to fix.

Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton

Where's Bill Blaney? He's usually all over these whackjob "I'm an Internet Doctor, I Am!" threads? Starved to death?

I think he flounced after I diagnosed him as a narcissist.

Truth hurts?

Yes,...well...ya get that.

Back to op. I read some internet source that taking lecithin was good for the liver. So being a

medium to heavy drinker I bought some soy lecithin granules and began by mixing half a

tablespoon into my daily green smoothie.


A couple days later I start getting a lot of stomach activity like massive growling and like a

homoculous stabbing me from the inside with a needle and this in addition to wanting to dump

much more frequently than usual. I put this down to a change in drinking from bourbon

liquor to 10% plus beer. Wrong! I cut the beer and went back to the bourbon. Still same

problem. I'm thinking shit maybe I got stomach cancer. So I cut the soy lecithin and am now

back to my semi-constipated self.

Now I am just consuming eggs (natural source of choline) plus taking a B vitamin supplement.

Eat eggs, 2 a day, and big doses of Vit B3 and Vit C, and really reduce the alcohol intake, have a spliff instead,... to help fix your liver.

If you're still farting, eat acidophilus yogurt, 100gm a serve, at least once a day for a week to fix the problem.

Originally Posted by Munted

I read some internet source that taking lecithin was good for the liver.

Read about the benefits of Acetylcysteine.

Health Benefits of N-Acetyl Cysteine

As well as its powerful antioxidant effect, NAC offers many other health benefits ranging from counteracting poison to remedying lung infections. For example, Acetylcysteine works to treat bronchitis, ear infections, help relieve hangover symptoms, help with symptoms of Lou Gehrig’s disease and heart disease, lower cholesterol, reduce cancer treatment side effects, help with polycystic ovary syndrome, increase immunity against certain strains of influenza, help increase energy and allow the body to recover faster after a sports injury. It may lessen symptoms of these diseases and also reduce common side effects from the medication used to treat these patients.

Acetylcysteine/NAC Benefits & Information

200 mg sachet from your pharmacy is 4 Baht. Take one sachet 3 x a day. Look up N-Acetyl Cysteine on Youtube. Really good info on there.

Multi vits and fish oil
Debating protein supps- is it really healthy to be ingesting that much protein daily? Harsh on the kidneys and liver much?

^ ^ Good idea.

Originally Posted by ENT

^^ It's not a bad drop for a commercial Kiwi beer.

Yes agreed. When I very infrequently go to a pub Speights is it.

Originally Posted by Pregomeister

Multi vits and fish oil
Debating protein supps- is it really healthy to be ingesting that much protein daily? Harsh on the kidneys and liver much?

50gm protein per day to maintain muscle, 75<80 gm per day to increase muscle growth.
More, < 150 gm per day for body building.

A blood test will tell you if you're eating too much protein.

A balanced protein:carb intake's essential.

Originally Posted by ENT

Good idea.

It's also claimed to repair liver damage through alcohol abuse.

Originally Posted by ENT

have a spliff instead,... to help fix your liver.

Would prefer this to poison alcohol, spliff is difficult to access in NZ if not in some scene or another. Cops look the other way if carrying small amounts unlike Asia so I'm led to believe getting caught up in some rort by corrupt police isn't an option so will not go there.

Here's James "Tiny" Vest on what the most Anabolic substance is: food.

Remember that the $upplement Bu$iness.

Supps: the multi-million dollar indu$try. Billion$ for Bull$hit.
Jaysus, just have Green tea, EVOO, and a fresh lime crushed into warm water like I do every morning.

Study: Those High-Priced Antioxidants May Be Killing You
20Feb - by Stewart Lawrence - 9 - In Animal Studies Drug Studies Food Studies Health Studies Longer Life Studies

BEIJING — Fear of mortality is one reason Americans spend so much on “antioxidant” products, including Vitamin C supplements and beta-carotene, which promise a longer healthier life. According to the National Institutes of Health, more than half of adults in the U.S. consume some kind of antioxidant product, spending $37 billion each year.

But a study conducted in China – where aging is akin to a national obsession these days – found that antioxidants don’t work as billed. The study is published in the journal Redox Biology.


A new study finds that antioxidant supplements may be more harmful to the human body than believed.
Rather than extending longevity, researchers say they trigger a stress reaction which causes the body to age more rapidly.

In other words, those expensive life-enhancers may actually be killing you.

Researchers discovered the relationship by studying how oxidants affected worms and human cells at various stages of development. Oxidants, it turned out, had no measurable impact on aging.

But introducing antioxidants disturbed the mechanism in cells that resists aging and as a result, the cells began aging more rapidly — “unnaturally fast,” said Chen Chang, the lead scientist on the project at the Institute of Biophysics, part of the Chinese Academy of Sciences in Beijing.

Chang and her team are especially concerned about their findings because of the widespread use of antioxidants among Chinese youth.

But older people are also more likely to die faster due to supplements, they found. Chang recommended that anti-oxidant use in China and elsewhere be curtailed.

The Chinese study appears to confirm the results of a 2008 “meta-review” of 405 studies comparing the longevity of people that consumed various kinds of vitamin supplements with those that took only a placebo.

That review, conducted by top medical researchers in Denmark, found no significant differences in the mortality rates of the two groups.

So far, none of these new studies has put a dent in the multi-billion dollar vitamin and supplement industry, which continues to promote the presumed anti-aging benefits of its products.

And there is little evidence that consumers are paying attention, either – or if they are, that they care.

But the evidence against antioxidants is mounting.

Another medical study conducted last year found that overuse of Vitamin D supplements was associated with a higher risk of falls in men and in women 70 years and older.

https://www.studyfinds.org/study-ant...ments-vitamin/

I don't take anything. I used to be religious, though, about a multivitamin (Centrum) once a day for many years and haven't noticed any difference in my health since I stopped taking a multivitamin more than a year ago. BTW, I have much bigger fish to fry, such as osteoarthritis, so just about everything else is on the back burner. With that in mind I was really enthusiastic about taking a tablespoon of apple cider vinegar every day. I tried that for a month and didn't notice any arthritis health benefits during that time.

^It's an Alkalizing agent only (same as Baking Soda), most people eat too much acidic foods, especially animal protein. -Long-term as part of a good diet, it is a real health benefit. I've not even had a cold for 2 years.

^^Try iHerb: iHerb.com - Vitamins, Supplements & Natural Health Products

Great prices and selection. Takes a while for delivery though, especially lately for some reason.

Originally Posted by kmart

I've not even had a cold for 2 years.

Neither have I...and w/o taking any supplements except for that one month. I seem to be getting healthier as I grow older except for the big item I mentioned. I believe I wouldn't be able to do anything except get depressed if it wasn't for the OTC painkiller I take daily. And I can perform anything whilst on it: run, lift weights, post...

What's your fav Kiwi Beer, ENT?

Speights Pilsner is OK... Asahi Super Dry in NZ, is sneakily imported from China (it's shite)

Asahi Super Dry in Japan - is probably my fav commercial beer.

I'm still on a quest to find my ultimate beer.

My American mate, who we met in Japan, is a flight attendant for American Airlines - and a self-confessed beer whore.

Best beer I ever tried was a craft beer (Pilsner) at a 5 star Fukuoka Hotel buffet.
My missus used to work at said Hotel... $30 buffet (all you can eat and drink).

My American buddy shares a striking resemblance to this dude.

I'm exhausted, excuse my gibberish, even worse, disjointed sentence structure than normal.

^

Vit D deficiency quite common in Western world.

If there's only one supplement you're taking for your health and your diet is decent, it should probably be Vitamin D. I highly recommend taking Vitamin D instead of a multivitamin most of the time... ...easiest to take Vitamin D with a meal, but you can also pair it with a fat like fish oil or a teaspoon of coconut oil.

From examine.com An excellent place to check out the efficacy of any supplement. They base their results on medical trials and not bro-science.

^sounds good...thanks.