Fasting

**piwanoi** · 03-06-2016, 07:30 PM

Originally Posted by Dillinger

Why not stop drinking water as well, 70% of your body is water.

Some people have gone 8-10 days without it.

These bodybuilders who turn up for competitions dont drink anything the day before to make their muscles stand out.

Or maybe just stop being such a vain bastard

FFS

**Sumbitch** · 03-06-2016, 07:45 PM

Originally Posted by Dillinger

Why not stop drinking water as well, 70% of your body is water.

Some people have gone 8-10 days without it.

These bodybuilders who turn up for competitions dont drink anything the day before to make their muscles stand out.

Or maybe just stop being such a vain bastard

I firmly believe in hydration. It's rule #1, even if I don't practice it perfectly every day.

**Sumbitch** · 03-06-2016, 07:49 PM

Originally Posted by Jackanapes

Probably gonna have to stick with it for the rest of my life.....

That's the very best attitude and attitude is the most important aspect of success.

**Jackanapes** · 03-06-2016, 08:06 PM

Well success must wait it seems. Was a bit peckish. Might start that regime tomorrow

**Jackanapes** · 03-06-2016, 08:08 PM

Damn you greened me for that comment as well. Feel bad now

**piwanoi** · 05-06-2016, 12:02 PM

How ya feeling WJ? still determined to see it out to the bitter end?

, personally I admire your will power , but at the end of the day I doubt in the long term it will do you any real physical good .

**Sumbitch** · 05-06-2016, 03:34 PM

Halfway to 15 and feeling fine. I now understand that hunger pangs (in the stomach) are not real indications of true hunger. True hunger is felt in the mouth and throat like thirst. And that's the sign to quit because you're beginning to starve yourself. Luckily a fasting thread opinion is that true hunger doesn't occur in most people until day 30 or 40. One guy, though, in day 16 of a 21 day fast, said he started feeling true hunger on day 14, even though he's fully aware of the symptoms and the meaning of his actions. IMO, he probably had done some recent long fast(s). A long fast requires a long wait before the next. I wonder if anybody considers there to be any kind of benefit to fast beyond that point. The Bobby Sands movie alone is enough to scare me off of that thought.

As far as it doing me any physical good, I believe it's a mind-body thing and consider the cleansing process of the mind and body as the most important goal. So, if successful, by which I mean I'm happy with the results, I plan to include it in my lifestyle, going forward.

**BaitongBoy** · 05-06-2016, 03:40 PM

Looks like you have enough fortitude to keep posting on TD...If we don't hear from ya, blaney, should we call anyone?...

**Sumbitch** · 05-06-2016, 03:45 PM

No, just call me...a quitter.

**Munted** · 05-06-2016, 05:02 PM

I've been doing a semi-fast of eating only within a 5 hour time period of 24. So for 19 hours of every 24 I'm not eating. I've been doing this for nearly a year relatively successfully at about 80%. I was into the Paleo diet before it became big so my semi-fast is just a variation of this. Having one meal in 24 hr allows you to manage your macro nutrients intake much easier. I eat about 20 gram of pita bread per day more than what I should but fuck it you got to live on the wild side sometimes.

**Sumbitch** · 05-06-2016, 06:34 PM

Originally Posted by Munted

I've been doing a semi-fast of eating only within a 5 hour time period of 24. So for 19 hours of every 24 I'm not eating. I've been doing this for nearly a year relatively successfully at about 80%. I was into the Paleo diet before it became big so my semi-fast is just a variation of this. Having one meal in 24 hr allows you to manage your macro nutrients intake much easier. I eat about 20 gram of pita bread per day more than what I should but fuck it you got to live on the wild side sometimes.

What you are doing is called Intermittent Fasting and one meal in 24 hours is called The Warrior Diet. They are highly recommended and I strongly encourage you to continue, confident that you're doing the right thing.

How do feel overall? Any emotional, physical, mental changes that you either approve of or don't? Was there a timeline for these changes-at the start a year ago, during the first two weeks, after the first 3 months and 6 months and currently?

Good to hear from you!

Chok dii cop!

**Munted** · 05-06-2016, 08:23 PM

To be honest the book I read wasn't the warrior diet it just suggested to do IF and in the eating window you could eat any food you might fancy. This allowed me a version of Paleo but like a slacker variety. What really motivated me was the Buddhist belief that greed leads to suffering. I would go to the supermarket & see these obese people waddling around, naive to the advertising messages which encouraged them to consume sugar and carb, loading up their carts with junk, so blind to the damage they were doing to themselves. They were just so ignorant to the cause of their condition. Since embarking on this experiment I do feel more in control of my emotions, much more mindful of what might get me into trouble. I'm now able to create a pause before getting into an action I might regret, and to use that pause to consider other less harmful ways to resolve the situation. So, much greater clarity of emotional reaction. Regards physical, I have am just below 'healthy' weight BMI of 55 Kg. The majority of my workplace colleagues are obese or near to it and many are diabetic. I do nearly no exercise but a number of my colleagues suffer from the illusion that they should & so subject themselves to the gym when actually they should restrict themselves to food intake. It just needs a little self-discipline.

**Sumbitch** · 05-06-2016, 09:11 PM

I should have clarified the warrior diet as eating one meal in 24 hours. How long does it take you to eat a meal? It should be more than .5 hour and not longer than 1 hour or 1.25 hours, IMO, for this diet. So there is no window, as such. Eat as much as you like in that one meal.

Your eating window is 5 hours. Therefore, that is intermittent fasting. Sorry for the confusion but, still, good on ya!

**Munted** · 06-06-2016, 04:07 AM

Thanks for clarifying that. Of course I'm not eating continuously during that time just a small meal to begin with and towards the end of it a snack of cheese or some other protein. I will look into the warrior diet.

**PlanK** · 06-06-2016, 05:10 AM

Been fasting every Monday for the last 8 months. It was tough at first. I started with 6 hours after waking and worked it up to a total of 24 - 36 hours depending on life circumstances. For me it's about balancing the excesses of the weekend. Initial side effects were short bouts of nausea and euphoria. Now I feel almost nothing, never feel hungry, only break the fast because can't see any health benefits from going longer. I still take a greens drink in the morning and magnesium and salt with plenty of water during the day because I still need to work, study, workout.

There's a good book about fasting you can buy/steal from the interwebs called Eat Stop Eat. The author recommends no more than 24 hours. He has some interesting studies he refers to showing short fasting has nil effect on workout performance or hormone levels.

**BaitongBoy** · 06-06-2016, 09:36 AM

I'm on a seafood diet...I see food and I eat it...

Seriously, I don't eat much and I think the food I eat is healthy enough...Drinking lots of fluids...Enjoy my coffee very much...Can easily go for a long time past initial "pangs" of hunger...And when I eat, it's just a little, and I give it time to "settle"...Often find that that little bit was plenty, when I could've scarfed plenty more, at least five times more, even...But I've always had a strong, athletic body and have always been moving, moving, whether it's been competitive sports or simply a walk in the park...

Could always eat anything, and as much as I wanted, with no weight gain...Even lying around like a slob for a few years only slightly changed the muscle tone; however, the cardiovascular functioning was at a low...

That changes slightly as you get older, of course...But I agree with Munted...I try to look at the bigger picture...I feel almost ashamed to over-eat when some have nothing at all...And the greed factor...And the waste factor...

All you need is to breathe...

**Munted** · 06-06-2016, 03:15 PM

Originally Posted by Plan B

Eat Stop Eat.

Will look into this. I found meditation quite useful . Take that reluctance you might feel & challenge it directly. How does it feel? Explore it. Experience it. You will find such sensations as hunger come and go, and unless you are in an exceptionally dire life-threatening situation, you will welcome the coming of the sensation as you will know there is an end to it. Everything is impermanent including culturally-induced hunger.

**billy the kid** · 08-06-2016, 02:42 AM

Originally Posted by Munted

was the Buddhist belief that greed leads to suffering.

just a cotton pickin mo. it'a trick Munted.

It's Buddhism that leads to suffering. Its another Mandy Rice Davies moment.
Tho not nice to be seen as a greedy bastard.
Those monks know it too. or kid themselves.

Originally Posted by Munted

little self-discipline.

means self learning.

Hey eat when you're hungry. And only then. bit o exercise.

Its thought that tempts you; so ignore it and it will get the message. eventually.

If drinker, smoker, or toker best to keep the tummy turning over a lil.

.

**BaitongBoy** · 08-06-2016, 05:00 AM

Originally Posted by billy the kid

It's Buddhism that leads to suffering

Heh...

**billy the kid** · 08-06-2016, 05:35 PM

Usual intention is to get you to hand over any spare
dosh you don't need to a worthy cause like THEM.

or temple.

Guys have handed over fortunes believing this bs.
Buddhism is not the only culprit.

Dress those guys up in a 3 piece suit , shirt and tie, put some hair on their heads
and they'll look like gangsters.

Your own body is the only Temple to look after.

Not saying not to give to a worthy cause.

**BaitongBoy** · 08-06-2016, 06:33 PM

I hear you, billy...Of course, in my walkabouts, I have ended up at the small temple on the beach in Cha Am...I walk past it and watch the fishing boats down at the waterfront...On my way back, one day, a monk called me over and invited me in...

Pleasant enough guy...Was a fisherman all his life, but had been with the temple for the last ten years...But I knew what was coming...He gave me a bottle of water and sat me down in the Animal Room...I also got a wristband and then another...For a friend...

When he casually said that they accepted donations and that he could handle them, I didn't respond and hoped it was over...After the second time, I told him I had no money...I might've had a couple of hundred baht in bills...Don't carry my wallet here...

Finally, near the end of the visit, he looked me in the eye and questioned me: "So, you don't have any money?" with a sly smile...Simply looked him in the eye smiling no, kawtoad, I don't...

I enjoyed that visit...I had the time, the place was very peaceful, and I learned that the "trophy room" of animal heads was a tribute room where farmers remembered favoured animals...

However, the visit was ruined by his persistence in asking for money, and basically confronting me the last time...I swear he was like an old ex of mine who could smell money on me and know which pocket it was in and had concluded how much I was packing every single time within 5 baht...

But I slinked out with my breakfast money, water and a couple of wristbands...

**Sumbitch** · 08-06-2016, 11:41 PM

Originally Posted by billy the kid

Originally Posted by Munted

was the Buddhist belief that greed leads to suffering.

just a cotton pickin mo. it'a trick Munted.

It's Buddhism that leads to suffering. Its another Mandy Rice Davies moment.
Tho not nice to be seen as a greedy bastard.
Those monks know it too. or kid themselves.

Originally Posted by Munted

little self-discipline.

means self learning.

Hey eat when you're hungry. And only then. bit o exercise.

Its thought that tempts you; so ignore it and it will get the message. eventually.

If drinker, smoker, or toker best to keep the tummy turning over a lil.

.

My religion is Vedanta (Hinduism). I was instructed by American monks of the Vedanta Society in Orange County, CA at the Trabuco Canyon Monastery in the Cleveland National forest: Web site Ramakrishna Monastery, Trabuco Canyon - Vedanta Society of Southern California When I passed the final, I was given a guru:

Swami Swahananda (29 June 1921 – 19 October 2012) who was a senior monk of the Ramakrishna Order of India, and the minister and spiritual leader of the Vedanta Society of Southern California from 1976 to 2012. From Wiki (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swami_Swahananda)

And a book he wrote: Go Forward: Letters of Swami Premeshananda by Swami Premeshananda ? Reviews, Discussion, Bookclubs, Lists He also initialized (baptized) me into the order.

He taught me suffering is man's fate, but being miserable is man's choice. That may seem like a difference without a distinction but here are the definitions:

As nouns the difference between misery and suffering is that misery is great unhappiness; extreme pain of body or mind; wretchedness; distress; woe while suffering is the condition of someone who suffers; a state of pain or distress.

Billy, your reply to Munted's other quote is so funny it's greenworthy.

**Sumbitch** · 08-06-2016, 11:54 PM

Originally Posted by billy the kid

Your own body is the only Temple to look after.

Modify that to "Your own mind-body is the only Temple to look after." and I agree 100%.

**billy the kid** · 09-06-2016, 01:58 AM

Originally Posted by wjblaney

"Your own mind-body is the only Temple to look after."

What needs to be understood.

Is your mind free and by free i mean not touched by any man-made doctrine.
Most of us are born into it and have no choice in the matter.
And any religion that is organised prevents, blocks out what is spiritual.
It's never ever the real. And the human does have a religious 'Mind'.
But like i say; it is blocked by man-made doctrine.
Which is always the past operating. And thought is the past also.
You have to stand alone which for some may seem scary but fear not.

But we have had this conditioning for 100s, 1000s of years.

To free your'self' from all this is real Freedom.
And you can only know yourself in the 'Now'.

Hey i know this ain't easy.

Thought has its place but let's face it; it never shuts the fuck up and that's our problem.

Attention is all and being 'aware' when thought butts in uninvited.
Thought is a Control merchant and has its place when needed.

Gurus tapping this market have profited big time.

A true wise man will never ask you to follow, never.

So you can do this on your own and for the rest of your life.

And this is real Freedom.

Do it walking in the street; use your eyes, ears , nose, without thought operating
as it usually judges, compares, all that mularky.
Same when talking to someone; give them respect by giving your full attention and not listening through your own noise or thoughts.

Get my drift. Follow nobody, nothing.

Then mind-body are one.

**BaitongBoy** · 09-06-2016, 09:24 AM

Cheers, billy...

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