How do ask for a datura plant in Thai

**jandajoy** · 08-01-2010, 08:24 PM

Originally Posted by namkha

you really shouldn't go around telling people it's ok to take them

Didn't.

Wouldn't

**jandajoy** · 08-01-2010, 08:25 PM

Originally Posted by namkha

but eating the plant is very dangeous

Read the post. We made tea.

**namkha** · 08-01-2010, 08:32 PM

eating, drinking --- same difference mate

the toxins are water soluble

**jandajoy** · 08-01-2010, 08:34 PM

Ah well, there you go.........

all's well that ends well. Eh ?

**Gipsy** · 08-01-2010, 08:42 PM

Relax namkha... take some of your own stuff!

jandajoy survived another 40 years! Didn't we all do things we, at later age, would never want to do again? Like this man/ethnopharmacologist? He became 102 years old.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yU671wQua4

**filch** · 08-01-2010, 09:09 PM

Originally Posted by jandajoy

Originally Posted by namkha

you really shouldn't go around telling people it's ok to take them

Didn't.

Wouldn't

Also note I included the Erowid link in my very early posts.

I have not, NEVER recommended it.

**namkha** · 08-01-2010, 10:25 PM

Gipsy

apologies for the surfeit of accurate information

interesting you mentioned Albert Hoffman, the inventor of LSD:

I mentioned earlier a friend of mine's father who was a datura user and died of liver cancer (I am not claiming a definite link there, but I think it's very likely there was one)

his name was Rudolf Gelpke and as well as being up to his neck in occult lore and magic he was also the second ever person to take LSD, along with his brother Wendel Gelpke

Hoffman called them up after his first trip as they were old friends - but RG was a much more "out there" character than Hoffman - Hoffman was basically a very straight scientist researching migraine cures at the time he discovered Acid

Hoffman was in RG's wife's words "a bourgeois" --- he was very square, basically conservative in outlook, and very health conscious

Hoffman would not have had bags of datura seed in his fridge with "non tocare" written on them, like Gelpke did

anyway... to be honest Gipsy, the fact that you post a link about LSD is kind of telling --- LSD and Datura have pretty well zero in common

the experiences and the risks and dangers are in no way comparable

LSD has low to no toxicity, the risk of damaging your body (as opp. to mind) are very very low --- the dangers of LSD are psychological damage -- mental trauma, PTSD, a very low risk of permanent psychosis

datura on the other hand has very very high toxicity, it is potentially fatal, and is very likely to leave you with permanent physical and mental damage

hence why I'm trying make what I'm saying crystal clear: all I;m saying is - understand what you put in your body, esp. understand the risks you are taking with your health and your life

datura is a very very dangerous plant to play around with - it is not a recreational drug...

with datura an active hallucinogenic dose and a potentially fatal dose are very very close

there is no way at all for a casual user to to be able to accurately determine if the dose they are taking is just going to fuck them up or if it is going to kill them... the threshold between "high" and dead is very very small

maybe this will put it in context: how many people fancy drinking some Deadly Nightshade tea?

it's the same stuff in Deadly Nightshade... and Henbane, another famous poison... atropine, scopolamine etc.

IMHO jandajoy and anybody else who has taken datura "for fun" are very lucky to be here... I did the same when I was about 20... and like jandajoy - never again!

anyway - just to be clear this info is not intended to be lecturing/having a go at anybody in this thread, it's info for the benefits of people who happen to stumble across this thread while surfing the web about datura

**nedwalk** · 09-01-2010, 03:52 AM

Originally Posted by namkha

--- LSD and Datura have pretty well zero in common

just the fact that they,ll both get ya really wasted.. seems the most obvious to me

**robuzo** · 09-01-2010, 06:11 AM

^One of which can waste you permanently. Every year one or two knuckleheads in my hometown would eat some Jimson Weed and be found, for example, walking down King Street naked and shouting.

**DrAndy** · 09-01-2010, 08:54 AM

Originally Posted by namkha

he was also the second ever person to take LSD, along with his brother Wendel Gelpke

not very good at maths either!

datura is used by Shamans wherever the plant is found, it transports them to the "other" world

they seem to have enough knowledge to does themselves accurately

**namkha** · 09-01-2010, 07:23 PM

Originally Posted by DrAndy

they seem to have enough knowledge to does themselves accurately

they does, does they?

OK DrAndy - well off you go and "does" yourself you Shaman you...

the only "other" world it's likely to transport you to is the one beyond the grave, with no return ticket

maybe you could "does" yourself with some shamanic Deadly Nightshade too?

**mingmong** · 09-01-2010, 07:38 PM

me too, yes tried lots mushrooms and lsd no problems now...................
just compare to the Japs that blew Pearl Harbour, they didnt need uppers, talked them selfs up to it,

**jandajoy** · 09-01-2010, 08:53 PM

Originally Posted by mingmong

me too, yes tried lots mushrooms and lsd no problems now................... just compare to the Japs that blew Pearl Harbour, they didnt need uppers, talked them selfs up to it,

WTF are you babbling about you idiot

**English Noodles** · 09-01-2010, 09:11 PM

This is the guy who freaked out about someone smoking a spliff, yeh right.

Anyone tried a human adrenaline gland?

**Gipsy** · 09-01-2010, 10:23 PM

Originally Posted by namkha

they does, does they?

DrAndy, somebody else 'dose' that a lot, you noticed? Hint:

**DrAndy** · 10-01-2010, 09:16 AM

Originally Posted by namkha

Originally Posted by DrAndy

they seem to have enough knowledge to does themselves accurately

they does, does they?

OK DrAndy - well off you go and "does" yourself you Shaman you...

the only "other" world it's likely to transport you to is the one beyond the grave, with no return ticket

maybe you could "does" yourself with some shamanic Deadly Nightshade too?

bloody hell, a little dyslexic slip of the fingers and you are all over me

revenge for your maths problem?

as for "Deadly" nightshade, atropa belladonna, it is used fairly frequently in small doses

My great-uncle was a herbalist and gave me some when I was a kiddy to help cure a muscle problem

**namkha** · 11-01-2010, 07:27 PM

DrAndy

not having a go at you for being dyslexic, having a go at you for being a pedantic twat and missing the point while you were at it ---

out of interest which of those two brothers would you insist was the third ever person to take LSD given that they both took it at the same time? ...

sometimes an excess of precision leads to inaccuracy,

just like being too pedantic is often a symptom of being a bit thick

and the point being debated here was about using datura etc. as a recreational drug

I didn't see anybody disputing that they can be used as medicines in the hands of people who know their shit

**jandajoy** · 11-01-2010, 08:13 PM

One thing that did detract from the "fun" angle was the 24 hour fast before drinking the tea. Require though.

**DrAndy** · 12-01-2010, 08:46 AM

Originally Posted by namkha

t having a go at you for being dyslexic, having a go at you for being a pedantic twat and missing the point while you were at it ---

pity that you didn't actually use the correct words then; it was your stressing the word "does" rather than mentioning a little joke I made, that must have mislead me, and probably everyone else. Nice try

Originally Posted by namkha

out of interest which of those two brothers would you insist was the third ever person to take LSD given that they both took it at the same time? ...

dunno, I have never seen "Synchronised Drug Taking"

Originally Posted by namkha

just like being too pedantic is often a symptom of being a bit thick

I know, don't worry about it. If you have to insist on the two taking it at exactly the same time, that is not pedantic at all

anyway, enough of this pettiness. Come and have some fun in the lounge or MKP rather than polluting this thread

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