Thread: Fruit trees

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

Originally Posted by ricekebab

white long potatos betveen young trees.,.,

You must be refering to cassava? Cassava - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Yep thanks thats the one.

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

Originally Posted by ricekebab

white long potatos betveen young trees.,.,

You must be refering to cassava? Cassava - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I confess I do not know what the price of Cassava nowadays but an ex coal miner mate of mine grew some about 4 years ago ,he said after labour ,transport and providing the 4 workers with free food ,he said he barely broke even , needless to say he never replanted , but just sold the "cane offshoots" to another farang nearby who had the idea he was going to make good Money , sorry I am being so pessimistic, and one could rightly say my skepticism knows no bounds ,but then again on the other hand having personally seen and heard of so much grief here ,Thailand would be very low down on my list of were to invest my hard earned money .

Its same thugs gona be ewerywhere vhen u looking where u invest ur money.
no matter if u are finland or thailand u have to known the risk and live with that.

I confess I do not know what the price of Cassava nowadays


I just ask and its now abaut 25 b kilo if wait better time its more than 30 b kilo.
and i would say the same its not good bisnes to do that.its grow 2 years.

Cassaa/or mon sapilang, money to be made if you/family all pitch in doing the work.
Done properly, in todays price, 5-9 Baht a kilo chopped and dried, about 12,000 Baht per rai.
Think of potatoes, you have to dig them up by hand and make chips by hand, hard, hot work. Not going to finded many Thais who will do it for wages.
Now ask yourself, if your in laws were really going to help you, why did't they plant your 10 rai already with cassava, answer too much work.
Are you going to do it with your wife, because that's the only labor you can count on.

I planted cassava many years ago, price was not good that year, left it to rot in the ground, too much work.
In saying that may stick some in next month, as I have bought a chopping machine, just to see how we go. I have the time and working keeps me off the beer. Jim

Originally Posted by ricekebab

I confess I do not know what the price of Cassava nowadays


I just ask and its now abaut 25 b kilo if wait better time its more than 30 b kilo.
and i would say the same its not good bisnes to do that.its grow 2 years.

Don't know where you get that price, 2-1 Baht a kilo un chopped, near on 6 Baht a kilo chopped and dried.

Don't know where you get that price, 2-1 Baht a kilo un chopped, near on 6 Baht a kilo chopped and dried.

Heh yep u are right some language berrier with that sister
i ask again and get that same price what u have.

I have the time and working keeps me off the beer. Jim

I have thought same have to be something to do other vise im gona be alcoholick with no time.,.,

Originally Posted by jamescollister

Originally Posted by ricekebab

I confess I do not know what the price of Cassava nowadays


I just ask and its now abaut 25 b kilo if wait better time its more than 30 b kilo.
and i would say the same its not good bisnes to do that.its grow 2 years.

Don't know where you get that price, 2-1 Baht a kilo un chopped, near on 6 Baht a kilo chopped and dried.

BIL must have told him

Originally Posted by ricekebab

I confess I do not know what the price of Cassava nowadays

This is the starch export price but I believe that after dirt and starch levels have been taken into account, less tax, less labour, less all other add ons I doubt the farmer gets even gets half of the quoted figures. Thai Tapioca Starch Association - TTSA

This is the price but I believe that after dirt and starch levels have been taken into account, less tax, less labour, less all other add ons I doubt the farmer gets even gets half of the quoted figures. Thai Tapioca Starch Association - TTSA

Do u have same kinda wep sites where can follow weggie and fruit prices

Originally Posted by ricekebab

This is the price but I believe that after dirt and starch levels have been taken into account, less tax, less labour, less all other add ons I doubt the farmer gets even gets half of the quoted figures. Thai Tapioca Starch Association - TTSA

Do u have same kinda wep sites where can follow weggie and fruit prices

I would have thought the best thing for you to do was go find or make some inquiry's as to were there is a few farangs growing Cassava , nothing like getting advice straight from the guys who know the score

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Originally Posted by ricekebab

This is the price but I believe that after dirt and starch levels have been taken into account, less tax, less labour, less all other add ons I doubt the farmer gets even gets half of the quoted figures. Thai Tapioca Starch Association - TTSA

Do u have same kinda wep sites where can follow weggie and fruit prices

I would have thought the best thing for you to do was go find or make some inquiry's as to were there is a few farangs growing Cassava , nothing like getting advice straight from the guys who know the score

Come to think of it theres not much Cassava growing in my area now , some guys not far from me had a big concrete slab made to dry the cassava on ,and they had a little front loader tractor to put the cassava into a machine to flake it , last time I passed on my Cycle about 3 months ago the place was deserted .

Have you considered green peppercorns? That sells for ~ 200 bt/kg or so....

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Originally Posted by ricekebab

This is the price but I believe that after dirt and starch levels have been taken into account, less tax, less labour, less all other add ons I doubt the farmer gets even gets half of the quoted figures. Thai Tapioca Starch Association - TTSA

Do u have same kinda wep sites where can follow weggie and fruit prices

I would have thought the best thing for you to do was go find or make some inquiry's as to were there is a few farangs growing Cassava , nothing like getting advice straight from the guys who know the score

Come to think of it theres not much Cassava growing in my area now , some guys not far from me had a big concrete slab made to dry the cassava on ,and they had a little front loader tractor to put the cassava into a machine to flake it , last time I passed on my Cycle about 3 months ago the place was deserted .

Cassava is harvested in the dry season, have to dry it in the sun.
Easy crop to grow, just put a cutting from last season crop in the ground and it will grow. Add some fertilizer and dig it up the next year, but hard work. Know one farang that does it, like me he has no outside income. Sometimes having no money, no where to go back to, means you have to make it work. No ones living high off the hog, but making a living.
That farangs been over here a long time, 3 kids, did the learning curve, has rice, cashew trees, chickens etc. So it can be done if you work hard and have the land.
Probably easier with a 9 to 5 in the west, but working the land gets in your blood, you water it by your own sweat. Seems more rewarding personally than working for the man. Jim

JIM ,as you are aware there is a mass exodus from the land , the young just do not want to know bending their backs in 35 degree's , so how a farang coming from a cold Country with not a scrap of previous experience can some how adapt is frankly remote ,as far as Thailand goes I threw away my "rose coloureds" quite some time ago ,my advice to any one would most certainly be if you have enough dough to live on why risk it here and work for a 10th of what you could make back home without risking your hard earned money ?

Have you considered green peppercorns? That sells for ~ 200 bt/kg or so.... Today 03:39 PM piwanoi Quote:

have to start looking .,.,wife sister have few bush in her back yard .,.,wery good taste .,.,

Originally Posted by piwanoi

JIM ,as you are aware there is a mass exodus from the land , the young just do not want to know bending their backs in 35 degree's , so how a farang coming from a cold Country with not a scrap of previous experience can some how adapt is frankly remote ,as far as Thailand goes I threw away my "rose coloureds" quite some time ago ,my advice to any one would most certainly be if you have enough dough to live on why risk it here and work for a 10th of what you could make back home without risking your hard earned money ?

Totally agree, good job in the west, pounds, Euros, dollars coming in, why bother here.
Come Song Kran the floor will be full, we only have 6 bedrooms, I will not pay for anything [except for electricity ]
Live here, have to adapt to the culture, will never be Thai, but it's my home. Jim

Originally Posted by jamescollister

Originally Posted by piwanoi

JIM ,as you are aware there is a mass exodus from the land , the young just do not want to know bending their backs in 35 degree's , so how a farang coming from a cold Country with not a scrap of previous experience can some how adapt is frankly remote ,as far as Thailand goes I threw away my "rose coloureds" quite some time ago ,my advice to any one would most certainly be if you have enough dough to live on why risk it here and work for a 10th of what you could make back home without risking your hard earned money ?

Totally agree, good job in the west, pounds, Euros, dollars coming in, why bother here.
Come Song Kran the floor will be full, we only have 6 bedrooms, I will not pay for anything [except for electricity ]
Live here, have to adapt to the culture, will never be Thai, but it's my home. Jim

There is no one and I do mean no one better adapted to "Thai lifestyle" than myself ,its just that I do not see any reason why I should invest and risk my money and work in the blazing sun for a pittance ,the only part of "Thai Culture" I simply refuse to embrace is having my house like the local YMCA with endless people "camping" and regarding everything in my fridge as some how "theirs, I value my privacy more than anything and as stated before I made my thoughts to Jan crystal clear ,that I do not want any one intruding into OUR way of life , you said yourself that part of your problems is you do not like living under one roof with the "family" and you was going to seek a loan to build your own place away from them , unless you stipulate you want you and your good ladys privacy you will have to surround it with electrified razor wire to keep the interfering kunts out , that sadly is the "Thai way" and I simply refuse to adapt to that only to make myself miserable because of it .

Mr Earl made a good post on another thread.

Originally Posted by Mr Earl
I can say from experience that it's very difficult to make money farming here.
For me it's been a barely break even experience. The main issue for me is the volatile commodity prices. I have oil palm and have seen the price fluctuate from 8 to 1.2 baht a kilo. At 6-8 baht a kilo there was a good cash flow. Now for the past couple years it's been staying closer to 3 baht a kilo, which is not putting very much money in my pocket.
I got other investments here so I'm not totally dependent on the farm, but it's nice to have it at least break even.
I'm continuing to diversify into other crops and commodities, and producing my own fertilizer. Actually producing the fertilizer is where I save a bunch. If I had to buy commercial fertilizer I'd be losing money.
The way the big farm operators make it is by buying chicken shit in large 6-12 month contracts from the big chicken farms. You need about 1000 rai to be doing that scale.

There are ways to make money off the land but it's a hands on affair, and you gotta ride your labor kinda hard to make it workable.

I invested back when land prices were still reasonable, the way things are now it's not really workable for a small operator unless you figure out some kind of niche market to fill.

Ya Know Jim ,there was an old Aussie guy who had lived here for 25 years or so, spoke ,read and wrote Thai really well, sadly he has passed away , two things what he said will always stick in my mind the first on our initial meeting in April 04 was "welcome to Issan ,now turn your clock back 500 years" there was not much this guy did not know as many Thai's were very free with their talk, thinking he could not understand every word they spoke ( this is a big drawback to many farangs) we called him"the Bard of Bankruat" and many went to seek his advice on this that and the other , his opening gambit was nearly always the same , Do you want the truth ,or do want to hear something with which you will agree with? " or words to that effect , he told me many times whats the use of asking for advice and then doing whatever you want anyway ,some times the guy was highly unpopular with some who did not like the truth, and others such as myself and many others thought the guy was "top drawer " for sure he did not "wrap" anything up, maybe I am just the same eh

If fruit trees then Pomelo seems a good option.

Most fruit have such a short life span after harvest, like mango are good 10 days. gotta hurry the sales or shipping inland, export even tougher with those short terms...

Pomelo gains in taste with length of storage, can be kept for month after harvest and it seems to grow quite easy low maintenance.

The supply is plenty already in Thailand, but a very good fruit i always enjoy.

Some research in this could tell if it is worth the effort.

Good point that storage time

I find this site Growing Pummelo (Pomelo) as a Cash Crop
if enybody is intressing shoud look.

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Originally Posted by jamescollister

Originally Posted by piwanoi

JIM ,as you are aware there is a mass exodus from the land , the young just do not want to know bending their backs in 35 degree's , so how a farang coming from a cold Country with not a scrap of previous experience can some how adapt is frankly remote ,as far as Thailand goes I threw away my "rose coloureds" quite some time ago ,my advice to any one would most certainly be if you have enough dough to live on why risk it here and work for a 10th of what you could make back home without risking your hard earned money ?

Totally agree, good job in the west, pounds, Euros, dollars coming in, why bother here.
Come Song Kran the floor will be full, we only have 6 bedrooms, I will not pay for anything [except for electricity ]
Live here, have to adapt to the culture, will never be Thai, but it's my home. Jim

There is no one and I do mean no one better adapted to "Thai lifestyle" than myself ,its just that I do not see any reason why I should invest and risk my money and work in the blazing sun for a pittance ,the only part of "Thai Culture" I simply refuse to embrace is having my house like the local YMCA with endless people "camping" and regarding everything in my fridge as some how "theirs, I value my privacy more than anything and as stated before I made my thoughts to Jan crystal clear ,that I do not want any one intruding into OUR way of life , you said yourself that part of your problems is you do not like living under one roof with the "family" and you was going to seek a loan to build your own place away from them , unless you stipulate you want you and your good ladys privacy you will have to surround it with electrified razor wire to keep the interfering kunts out , that sadly is the "Thai way" and I simply refuse to adapt to that only to make myself miserable because of it .

Simple fact of life, if I wasn't here I would be back in OZ working in a prison, counting the years to retirement and then death.

You had the money to choose, within your income, what you do, where you live. Really rich people don't come to Issan to live, if I was loaded, money no concern, would I be here, of course not.
It's the best option I have, think most of my friends in the west would happily trade places.

On another note, as I sit here on my porch at the back of the house, writing this and drinking coffee, the coconut collectors have arrived. 3 Baht a nut, not much for me have 5 or 6 trees, beer money for tonight.
I planted 300 around the perimeter of the factory, not big yet, but when grown that's about 45,000 Baht to sit on a porch and drink coffee. Jim

Originally Posted by jamescollister

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Originally Posted by jamescollister

Originally Posted by piwanoi

JIM ,as you are aware there is a mass exodus from the land , the young just do not want to know bending their backs in 35 degree's , so how a farang coming from a cold Country with not a scrap of previous experience can some how adapt is frankly remote ,as far as Thailand goes I threw away my "rose coloureds" quite some time ago ,my advice to any one would most certainly be if you have enough dough to live on why risk it here and work for a 10th of what you could make back home without risking your hard earned money ?

Totally agree, good job in the west, pounds, Euros, dollars coming in, why bother here.
Come Song Kran the floor will be full, we only have 6 bedrooms, I will not pay for anything [except for electricity ]
Live here, have to adapt to the culture, will never be Thai, but it's my home. Jim

There is no one and I do mean no one better adapted to "Thai lifestyle" than myself ,its just that I do not see any reason why I should invest and risk my money and work in the blazing sun for a pittance ,the only part of "Thai Culture" I simply refuse to embrace is having my house like the local YMCA with endless people "camping" and regarding everything in my fridge as some how "theirs, I value my privacy more than anything and as stated before I made my thoughts to Jan crystal clear ,that I do not want any one intruding into OUR way of life , you said yourself that part of your problems is you do not like living under one roof with the "family" and you was going to seek a loan to build your own place away from them , unless you stipulate you want you and your good ladys privacy you will have to surround it with electrified razor wire to keep the interfering kunts out , that sadly is the "Thai way" and I simply refuse to adapt to that only to make myself miserable because of it .

Simple fact of life, if I wasn't here I would be back in OZ working in a prison, counting the years to retirement and then death.

You had the money to choose, within your income, what you do, where you live. Really rich people don't come to Issan to live, if I was loaded, money no concern, would I be here, of course not.
It's the best option I have, think most of my friends in the west would happily trade places.

On another note, as I sit here on my porch at the back of the house, writing this and drinking coffee, the coconut collectors have arrived. 3 Baht a nut, not much for me have 5 or 6 trees, beer money for tonight.
I planted 300 around the perimeter of the factory, not big yet, but when grown that's about 45,000 Baht to sit on a porch and drink coffee. Jim

I'm not rich ,lets just say I am "comfortable " but Even if was loaded I would still live here as I've had it with the likes of Koh Samui etc ,I have a great life here and as stated a great little lady in Jan my wife ,I have a nice house,a good car , loads of mates (including 4 Aussies) in my area ,out on the "razz every night for a Chang or 3 and a game of pool when I want one ,what more could an old goat like me ask for?, I have lived here now since Nov 04 and as I said before they will bury me here .