Thread: Growing orchids for money..possible

Just wondering if anyone is doing or has tried

few threads here may be of interest ? :

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i looked over all the links nothing about large scale or small farm growing probably in video on first link i cant see due to slow internet

btw, what's the going rate for picking afghan's?

10 dollars a day....

actually i was heavy in the market and in afghanistan when made up the name couldn't think of anything else

I found a orchid that will produce 100,000 usd a yr after three yrs on 2-3 rai i am getting ready to plant and am looking for people that want to get in with me message me and we can talk

I am getting ready to start a plantation of a high end food product on my two rai. profits don't start till yr 4 but at current world wholesale prices that is 80,000-100,000 usd a yr 4 times that if retail and if watched after doubling yr after yr till yr 9. and never have to buy seed. message me if interrested

theres always a good selection of Thai orchids at the London Chelsea flower show ,and they get merits and win prizes sometimes.
surely its easy to plant them in half a coconut shell hanging from a tree .

Originally Posted by afghanpicker

I found a orchid that will produce 100,000 usd a yr after three yrs on 2-3 rai i am getting ready to plant and am looking for people that want to get in with me message me and we can talk

Yeah I'm well up for it. Got a nice wedge of cash I'm looking to invest and this sounds excellent. PM me.

Only 4 years eh AP a very tempting proposition indeed , but I think I'll pass on that one

not a problem i put 4 yrs so could be conservative in estimate same with profits.
This will be like the first guy who had rubber trees here and if you could only buy them from him in a few yrs.

Singapore is a center for orchid breeding and research. Will do you a world of good if you visit Singapore Botanical Garden where they have a Education and Research Centers. They have close to 1,000 orchid species and over 2,000 hybrids.

Originally Posted by afghanpicker

I am getting ready to start a plantation of a high end food product on my two rai. profits don't start till yr 4 but at current world wholesale prices that is 80,000-100,000 usd a yr 4 times that if retail and if watched after doubling yr after yr till yr 9. and never have to buy seed. message me if interrested

i have pm you but no reply yet

commercial intensive shade house vanilla production is what i want to do..
Once again only one here had any idea

do your own research on price on the wholesale world market

demand is always greater than supply

and if they can do it in burma and malaysia why not here

This is going to be a intensive shade house vanilla production.

2000 plants a kilo of beans a plant the wholesale market is 40 a kilo now

and plants can produce up to 5 kilo a plant in yr,s 4-9

you can do the math

oh ya vanilla is an orchid

only one that produces fruit

the second most expensive spice on the planet

I understand your frustration but many on this and other forums have looked at the of these golden opportunities before and there is usually a hook or two that takes the gloss off. I looked at vanilla and thought just orchids, what can be so hard? The answer was in having sufficient volume to interest buyers in your crop. There simply isnt a vanilla bean buyer in every town.
My advise is to find out what the supply chain details are and the volumes and quality standards required by the buyers.

I have done that all ready

and buyers from the usa are always looking for a new and quality supply

the problem for me will not be selling it it is getting the cash to get it started.

all vanilla brought into thailand is charged a 20 percent import fee and 7 percent vat

even if all the beans are not grade a which of course they will not be what could you do with the rest.?

vanilla soap..vanilla candles..vanilla tea..vanilla extract..vanilla palm sugar..grown and made in thailand.all which could be sold to how many hotels or tourist shops are there in thailand?

Originally Posted by afghanpicker

I have done that all ready

and buyers from the usa are always looking for a new and quality supply

the problem for me will not be selling it it is getting the cash to get it started.

all vanilla brought into thailand is charged a 20 percent import fee and 7 percent vat

even if all the beans are not grade a which of course they will not be what could you do with the rest.?

vanilla soap..vanilla candles..vanilla tea..vanilla extract..vanilla palm sugar..grown and made in thailand.all which could be sold to how many hotels or tourist shops are there in thailand?

As said in my PM, looked into this many years ago and as AI said, it's the buyers that are a problem.
The wholesale buyers won't come to an area or country unless there is a large volume of vanilla to be bought. This leaves you in the pack and post game, DHL, FEDX etc. Lots of problems doing it this way and lots of added costs.
If you have local buyers, I'm sure AI and I would be interested, we both have experience of farming here, land and contacts.
If you have a plan other than just growing beans and hoping for the best, sure AI and would be all ears.
Places like PNG grow vanilla, but can't find buyers.
Best of luck with it and if you want to come down my way for a visit and chat about the problems of farming here, by all means do. Have plenty of room, just bring beer. Jim

PNG can not be compared to thailand in my opinion.

just a few numbers below may shed some light on this.
Exports statistic PNG

Exports: $5.976 billion (2010 est.) $4.392 billion (2009 est.)
Exports - commodities: oil, gold, copper ore, logs, palm oil, coffee, cocoa, crayfish, prawns
Exports - partners: Australia 30.05%, Japan 7.48% (2009)
Imports: $3.547 billion (2010 est.) $2.871 billion (2009 est.)
Imports - commodities: machinery and transport equipment, manufactured goods, food, fuels, chemicals
Imports - partners: Australia 43.27%, China 13.29%, Singapore 9.59%, US 6.4%, Japan 4.62% (2009




Thailand's Import and Export Indicatiors at a Glance (2010)
Total value of exports: US$191.3 billion
Primary exports - commodities: textiles and footwear, fishery products, rice, rubber, jewelry, automobiles, computers and electrical appliances
Primary exports partners: US (10.9 percent of total exports), China (10.6 percent), Japan (10.3 percent)

just the exports alone to usa from thailand are 30 times more than total exported from PNG

No large international airport may have something to do with it.

Thailand has favored nation status if i remember with usa and is working on a free trade agreement.

and yes i have other ways i would like to sell do i have contract buyers yet not until it is harvested and graded can u expect a buyer to fly in and look or send out samples.
Vanilla can be stored over a yr at the right temp and humidity so no lose of profit there..

and as for making value added products all you have to do is search vanilla products online to see what is being made and sold.

All vanilla is grown in mostly third world country s for a reason the labor cost.
But thailand has the advantage of being on a key trade route and has a huge international air freight infustrutor in place all ready.

We would be smart to control it from production to value added products and sales of processed beans.
Export import and sales in other countries to maximize profits if it ever got that big.
getting together to talk is a good idea.

call me we can talk about it a little more

AP not saying it's not do able, the grow part will be learning curve, but I see no problems in growing the stuff.
The devil is in the detail, I'm no business man, but have a business here and there are lot's of problems.
You need to look at how you would export, what type of company set up. You as an alien are prohibited from agriculture, what Thai export permits are required and worse still what FDA permits for the USA. If you value add by making other vanilla products some which may fall under cosmetics than they will need to be tested and certified safe by the FDA.
Lots more to it than growing the beans and it's a long road to making a return then finding out you have no market.

Just on another point, if you are not here to supervise full time forget it, the Thais will not take care of the crop.

As said have a small rubber processing factory here and if you process the stuff value adding it gets complex. Thais will say no problem no one cares, but they do care, In our case the EPA, Health and Safety, Factories Inspectorate, the Rubber Board and 3 set of Government planing agencies cared.

Once you stop being a cottage industry or basic farmer you become a business, lots of research needed before you commit.

If you are in Thailand PM me your phone number and I will give you a call. Jim