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    How to Buy Condominiums, Shop Houses, Homes and Land in Thailand

    How to Buy Condominiums, Shop Houses, Homes and Land in Thailand

    Drew Noyes, Managing Director P.A.P.P.A. Co., Ltd. Legal and Visa Services

    No matter what anyone tells you, it is not possible to own land in Thailand except under extraordinary circumstances. (However, owning buildings is a different matter.)


    The Thai Elite Program has been trying to get approval to allow members, who pay one million baht the right to own one rai of land for their home, but approval has not yet been granted and the program is at risk of being cancelled.

    If a Thai person wills land to you by testament and the land is a rai or less and you use it as your residence, then you can own it under certain conditions.

    If you bank wire transfer 40 million baht or more into a Thai bank from out of the country you can buy up to one rai of land with approval.

    You may be able to buy a condominium in Thailand in your name provided:

    You are under the Condominium Act rules and the new building has not allocated the 49% (minority) ownership of the total condominium space, not units, to foreign buyers, thus allowing you to be a registered owner. This is because in addition to owning the space inside the walls, ceiling and floor of your selected condominium you, as an owner, technically own a pro-rata share of the underlying land the condominium is built on including swimming pool area, parking lot, etc. So as not to violate Rule #1 (above) which states foreigners cannot own land, the total ownership of the land cannot be controlled by foreigners in association voting of the condominium. The voting block is comprised solely of owners and collectively they are the “juristic person” who under Thai law is a Thai entity and make all decisions about all aspects of the condominium including the associated land.

    You buy from a foreigner who owns the condominium in his or her own name. Or you buy a condominium for a Thai, but the total allocation of foreign ownership in that building has not been met. In order to check, you or your representative MUST go to the office of the condominium and get a letter to the effect that your ownership is allowed. You will give this letter to the Land Office where you transfer ownership. You will NOT get the letter if any past due bills are outstanding on the maintenance fees, added assessments, electricity or water bills so they must be paid first.

    In 1997, during the Asian Financial Crisis, I was invited to Thailand along with many other international businessmen and we were asked to help the Thai economy by establishing businesses here. I choose to do so under the protection of the Treaty of Amenity offered exclusively to American investors by His Majesty the King. Protecting my assets has always been my primary goal. Secondary to profits. Since Thai law currently prohibits foreigners from owning land in Thailand I asked advisors and lawyers for a good alternative.

    There are several options when buying property in Thailand:

     Buy a condominium in a building where sale to a foreigner is allowed

     Put the property in the name of a Thai person

     Form a Thai Company

     Lease the property with the option to buy when it is legal to buy in your own name

    So when I bought my first house in Pattaya I put it in the name of a trusted Thai, my Thai wife, and I registered a mortgage (in Thai it is called a "jamnyong") against the property for the cost of the house plus improvements.

    The house cannot be sold without paying the debt back to me. The land office has the title deed (in Thai it is called a “chanote”) and it clearly states on the back of the large beige parchment title deed the amount owed and to whom so it is impossible for the property to be sold without paying me since all sales transactions have to go before the land office for approval. With a recorded mortgage the Thai person who is named as the legal owner cannot borrow money against the house if there is already a mortgage for the equity value of the property.

    Leasing Property in Thailand

    I could have also record a lease at the land office for property for up 30 years stating that I, and only I, if I wish, have the right to live in or use the subject land and or house. The person whom I put the property in the name of would give me a receipt for money paid in full in advance to her by me for this 30-year lease. By showing as evidence my rights to the property with a copy of the recorded lease the police nor anyone else can evict me from the property should a domestic dispute erupt.

    I believe it is highly advisable to have both a mortgage against the property and a recorded lease on the property for ultimate security when putting property in the name of any Thai.

    I could also put the property in any Thai person's name for the benefit and ownership of my Thai children who could not sell it until they were 20 years old, but there are some risks. Before doing any of this consult a licensed attorney. Ask to see his or her license and record its number. This advice is just to explain what I did, not necessarily what is right for you to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtydog
    No matter what anyone tells you, it is not possible to own land in Thailand
    all khun Farang needs to know

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtydog
    However, owning buildings is a different matter
    bullcrap it is the exact same matter

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lorenzo View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by dirtydog
    No matter what anyone tells you, it is not possible to own land in Thailand
    all khun Farang needs to know
    No I'd also add that renting is the best - and that's all anyone needs to know

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    So when I bought my first house in Pattaya I put it in the name of a trusted Thai, my Thai wife, and I registered a mortgage (in Thai it is called a "jamnyong") against the property for the cost of the house plus improvements.
    Pure delusion and sales patter that would be illegal other places. It wasn't HIS first house. He bought it for his wife it was HER house. In 20 years when prices are double-triple, the gain will belong to the Thai not the farang. The statement gives the impression he got round the law and owns a house in all but name.

    I've wondered before if a farang is allowed to hold a mortgage on Thai land. Is this bit of his story also fantasy or is this unambiguously allowed by the Thai law?

    Also not mentioned is that ownership of land is only as good as the legal system that protects it. There have been discussions in the past about repossessing all Thai land that is under control of foreigners who have attempted to use legal complex constructions to circumvent the spirit of the Tai law.

    As stated above the spirit of the Tai law is: Farang cannot own land.

    His last paragraph is hilarious. Typical scummy lawyer, it says: 1. I take no legal responsibility for what I have said, it was just a story of what I did. 2. Be scared. 3. Make yourself less scared by employing a scummy lawyer to tell a comforting story. 4. Go to 1.

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    The last chap, an American, I knew who bought land in his wife's name had to make a declaration to the Land Office that his wife had sole rights to it, free of any encumbrance. Now, sure, one could build a house on that land and mortgage the building to whomsoever but the fact remains the land is the wife's property which can be sold by her to anyone whom she chooses.

    New owner arrives and begins building a shack and karaoke bar in the nice gardens adjacent to your equally nice house............?

    Well, that was my understanding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NLo
    Pure delusion and sales patter that would be illegal other places. It wasn't HIS first house. He bought it for his wife it was HER house.
    He is an American citizen, do you understand this https://teakdoor.com/williams-legal-s...relations.html (US-Thai Treaty of Amity and Economic Relations)

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    I don't believe the treaty of amity extends to the purchase of private property/land DD - it relates to business and is effectively an assurance that an American company can do business here in LOS without any discrimination (e.g. should be seen the same as a Thai company).

    In any event, to each their own - some people want to buy property here and try to find ways around the laws. We should also go easy on the TD clients. Save the rath for the TV shills.
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    What I'd like to learn more about from PAPPA is making a Will and administering it in Thailand. Maybe his next editorial could deal with that? I think many people would find that info useful too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Sawyer
    it relates to business and is effectively an assurance that an American company can do business here in LOS without any discrimination (e.g. should be seen the same as a Thai company).
    Quite, now everyone I know has their houses in a company name, so they own 49 percent of their house, ordinary companies not amity companies, if you are American you can under that scheme own 100 percent of YOUR company, that is the difference.



    Quote Originally Posted by NLo
    There have been discussions in the past about repossessing all Thai land that is under control of foreigners
    Yep, for the last 20 years at least, still nothing has been done.

    Quote Originally Posted by NLo
    I've wondered before if a farang is allowed to hold a mortgage on Thai land.
    You are allowed to load money against land, house etc, it will be registered on the back of the chanote.



    Quote Originally Posted by NLo
    As stated above the spirit of the Tai law is: Farang cannot own land.
    I'll put 40 million baht on it that you can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtydog
    No matter what anyone tells you, it is not possible to own land in Thailand except under extraordinary circumstances.
    Wrong. As anyone knows who holds Thai Citizenship in addition to their own. (Although that may fall into what he calls 'extraordinary circumstances')

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lorenzo
    bullcrap it is the exact same matter
    nope, wrong

    in the UK you can only buy a flat leasehold, unless everyone in the building agrees to buy the land freehold
    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Sawyer
    No I'd also add that renting is the best - and that's all anyone needs to know
    up to you what is best
    Quote Originally Posted by thegent
    The last chap, an American, I knew who bought land in his wife's name had to make a declaration to the Land Office that his wife had sole rights to it, free of any encumbrance. Now, sure, one could build a house on that land and mortgage the building to whomsoever but the fact remains the land is the wife's property which can be sold by her to anyone whom she chooses.
    that is what you have to do, to comply with the law

    but the rest is nonsense
    Quote Originally Posted by thegent
    Well, that was my understanding.
    never mind

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtydog View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by "NLo"
    Pure delusion and sales patter that would be illegal other places. It wasn't HIS first house. He bought it for his wife it was HER house.
    He is an American citizen, do you understand this https://teakdoor.com/williams-legal-s...relations.html (US-Thai Treaty of Amity and Economic Relations)
    The OP states he put it in her name.

    And anyway that treaty doesn't apply to land.

    Right. So you can get scribble on the back of a land deed [you can get lots of illegal things here] but does the Thai law explicitly mention foreigners allowed to hold mortgages or does it suggest they can't or are there cases where they have been upheld/disallowed.

    Reason I thought it was impossible is that if it were possible all the foreign banks would be happy to do it?

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    Funny how so few have figured out this isn't a 'news' thread.

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    Anybody can loan anybody anything, in the case of property to secure the loan it is written on the back of the chanote and registered with the land office, do you think they have laws stating farangs aint allowed to loan money? Maybe time to kick out HSBC etc then.

    Quote Originally Posted by NLo
    does the Thai law explicitly mention foreigners allowed to hold mortgages

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtydog View Post
    Anybody can loan anybody anything, in the case of property to secure the loan it is written on the back of the chanote and registered with the land office, do you think they have laws stating farangs aint allowed to loan money? Maybe time to kick out HSBC etc then.

    Quote Originally Posted by "NLo"
    does the Thai law explicitly mention foreigners allowed to hold mortgages
    Well they have laws saying farang can't own land. Or do certain jobs. Or own more than 49% of a company (except for US citizens - amity companies).

    Wouldn't surprise me if there's a law that farang aren't allowed to hold mortgages. In fact it would surprise me if there isn't some issue in enforcing a mortgage. Why? ... Because if there were not [a problem] it should be easy for farangs to borrow a low percentage of the cost of a condo. Foreign banks like giving loans but they don't give them in a country where they can't enforce them.

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    The foreign banks here aren't really 'foreign'. They'll be Thai-owned franchises effectively. It's why American Express doesn't offer the same services here as other places. I'd also hazard a guess at the reason they've move alot of their Thai AMEX business to HK. Before they were stuck doing everyting through SCB.

    You can bet Standard Charter, HSBC and the others are some kind of partnership which means the parents don't really control lending. As for writing on the backs of chanotes, I'd also bet there are rules on that - otherwise 'if' I were married to a Thai woman, I could still hold possession of the house and land by 'lending' her the money to buy the house from Tom Sawyer's Foreign Loan (UK) Services PLC and write the amount and my name on the chanote. It's all a nice thought. But Americans have no right to buy property here anymore than some fecking guy from Isleworth. They can do it through their companies - so can you - it's a mug's game either way.

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