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    Saturday, November 27, 2010

    Illegal worker ‘sweep’ to target Phuket

    Dr Phrommin Sritabutr is not happy with the lack of progress in reigning in illegal foreign workers. Photo: Janpen Upatising

    PHUKET: A special task force of government officers will sweep through Phuket and arrest and likely deport any foreigners found working illegally, the Gazette has learned.

    The move follows the creation of a Phuket Provincial Employment Office (PPEO) task force set up to identify and arrest any foreigners found working without appropriate permits.

    Headed by PPEO chief Noppadol Ployudee, the team includes members of Phuket Immigration Police, Phuket Police and Phuket Marine Police.

    “The team is working to monitor, arrest, prosecute and deport all illegal foreign workers,” said Mr Noppadol.

    “The arrests will not be limited to Burmese, Lao and Cambodian workers. We will arrest any foreigner found working secretly without a permit,” he added.

    The move follows confirmation that Burmese workers are starting their own businesses on Phuket as a result of the national verification system, which gives them identification documents similar to a passport.

    The roundup of unregistered migrant workers will intensify in Phuket, officials say.

    Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva and Deputy Prime Minister Sanan Kachornprasart have ordered an independent team to investigate illegal workers throughout southern Thailand.

    The regional task force, part of Bangkok’s nationwide crackdown on illegal Burmese workers, will be responsible for the 14 southern provinces. It will also be led by Mr Noppadol.

    A meeting on Friday in Bangkok will determine policy and operational plans for each regional team. The meeting will be chaired by Employment Department Deputy Director Sumeth Mahosot.

    “I still don’t know exactly when the operation in Phuket will start. After we hear the policy and receive orders at the meeting on Friday, we will do the planning and then proceed with the operation,” said Mr Noppadol.

    The deportation of thousands of migrant Burmese workers from Phuket would likely have a major impact on the local economy, which relies heavily on their labor.

    Phuket business owners continue to voice concerns about losing Burmese employees to businesses and professions not specified in their work permits.

    At a recent meeting at Provincial Hall, Dr Phrommin Sritabutr expressed frustration at the current “passport” and work permit system, saying efforts to bring illegal workers in line had proved fruitless.

    “I’m not satisfied with the result of today’s meeting,” said the deputy chairman of a Labor Ministry subcommittee on foreign labor.

    “It’s the third meeting here, but we haven’t addressed the key issue. Now foreign workers with these ‘passports’ can work and go anywhere.

    “They will spread around the country. It’s just not possible to keep these workers under control,” he said.


    Question is this

    I am retired and have a retirement visa.

    I occasionally get requests from my previous employers regarding various weird insurance claims they are faced with and they want my opinion on how to handle them .
    They send me the details via email and I give my opinion- also via email
    An approprate fee is deposited in my offshore bank account

    As the actual work I do is carried out in Thailand and the cash then transferred into my Thai bank account will this tightening up on work by foreigners in Thailand apply to me ??

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    In theory any work carried out, even for free, requires a work permit. So strictly you need one.

    We do have a situation with my work where a teacher is creeping about behind the scenes submitting tax claims and it is only a matter of time before he winds up on a plane back "home" courtesy of immigration, with PNG stamped in his passport. A high price to pay for some pocket money.

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    From Phuket Gazette, looks like they will just be arresting any tourists that turn up at the airport with a laptop

    Phuket Issue and Answer: Do I need a ‘business visa’ to work online?


    Do I need a ‘business visa’ to work online?
    Is earning money through online advertising, website affiliate marketing or operating a business that has only an online presence whilst staying in Thailand considered working? Would that person be required to have a “business visa”?
    Ting Tong Farang, Phuket Town Thursday, November 25, 2010



    “Any foreigners working or starting a business in Thailand, online or off, need to first get a proper visa.
    They can apply for a Non-Immigrant B visa at a Royal Thai Embassy in their home country.
    Once they get it they can come to Thailand and apply for a work permit with the Department of Employment.
    If we find out that a foreigner is doing business online without a work permit, we will arrest them and take legal action through the court.”
    Thursday, November 25, 2010 Pol Col Panuwat Ruamrak, Superintendent of Phuket Immigration




    “Doing business online is considered a type of work, so foreigners are required to have a work permit to do so.
    The first thing to do is get the proper business visa. Foreigners with any other type of visa generally cannot apply for a work permit.
    An exception to that rule is made for foreigners legally married to Thai citizens.
    For more information on the visas and documents required to apply for a work permit, we advise foreigners to contact us or the Department of Employment in the area they live.
    We need detailed information from the foreigner before advising on further action.
    Please call Phuket Department of Employment at 076-219660-1 ext 13 for further information.”
    Thursday, November 25, 2010 Somkiat Baiadul, an officer at the work permit division of the Phuket Department of Employment

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    In theory any work carried out, even for free, requires a work permit. So strictly you need one.


    what about farangs who assist at their bars ,
    one in udon , was chopped by another farang .
    who had a hidden video camera . bstd.

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    If whilst on holiday, i attend the antique auctions in Bangkok, purchase items and ship them to my shop in the UK, have i been 'working' and therefore need a work permit ?

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    Do they really have Thais that want these jobs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bower
    If whilst on holiday, i attend the antique auctions in Bangkok, purchase items and ship them to my shop in the UK, have i been 'working' and therefore need a work permit ?
    No. Foreign buyers of Thai goods for export do not require a work permit.

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    Work in Thailand

    Since the advent of the current government there seems to be a real hidden hostility towards foreigners living in Thailand in general. This is my opinion.

    Under the old regime, it seems things were much more lax for foreigners here in Thailand.

    Given the fact the current PM enjoyed the benefits of a long term stay and education in the UK, you would think he would return the favor but oh no.

    Over the years, Thailand is becoming less and less the LOS

    The only place you can find some tranquility and acceptance is in rural Isaan where they are damn happy to have foreigners

    Cracking down on work permits for foreigners when every single government official is corrupt is nothing but pure hypocrisy and designed to divert attention away from themselves.

    All the other countries like the UK and USA will let Thais come over and live with 5 baht in their pocket but not here?

    Good old double standards Thailand

    It will be a breath of fresh air to get this government out in the next election.

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    I heard that changing a DVD at a bar or restaurant constitutes work. A friendly owner who did no work at all but sat at the bar while his wife ran it, said he could still be done for working illegally if he reaches over the counter to get himself a drink, or even for just being there because his presence was a draw to customers.

    If they want you they'll get you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by liveinlos
    Since the advent of the current government there seems to be a real hidden hostility towards foreigners living in Thailand in general. This is my opinion.
    any facts to base your opinion on? links please
    Quote Originally Posted by liveinlos
    All the other countries like the UK and USA will let Thais come over and live with 5 baht in their pocket but not here?
    total nonsense

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    Quote Originally Posted by liveinlos
    All the other countries like the UK and USA will let Thais come over and live with 5 baht in their pocket
    The heat must be getting to you mate ,,,, you certainly havent been near the UKBA at Croydon lately to try and get your wife an ILTR ,,,, believe you me you will need 5 baht + a few hundred thousand more + many many more hoops to jump through
    Your posting steryotypical nonsense here mate
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    Quote Originally Posted by keda
    even for just being there because his presence was a draw to customers.
    That opens a new can of worms !

    A bar that I go to has some nice tables out front and the landlady always makes sure that ex-pats have a seat there .
    The reasoning is that tourists passing by looking for a foreigner friendly bar will see the ex-pats sitting there and are tempted in !

    When me and my mates are sitting there having a drink are we in fact 'working' as advertisements for the bar and therefore needing work permits ???
    Scarey!!!

    PS As regulars we all have 10% discount cards for booze and drinks so in fact we are actually being paid in a roundabout way !!

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    Happyman, it seems you will be going to jail, my understanding is your quite old, so likely not going to survive a short jail term, I would just like to take this oppurtunity to thank you for your contributions to the forum and to say that you will be missed by all of us.


    PS, have you got an old netbook that you wont be needing? Smallest one possible, be grateful if you could keep that in mind as they cart you off to jail in the back of a truck handcuffed to the other evil criminals

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    ^ 12 ^

    An interesting point that could probably be debated forever without a rational answer. And a possible poser for law students. It does seem that in principle just being somewhere could have you arrested and extorted or deported as an illegal worker.

    But don't bring scarey into it, you won't get much sense out of him.

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    Actually it looks like most of the posters on this thread will be going to jail.

    Quote Originally Posted by bart
    In theory any work carried out, even for free, requires a work permit. So strictly you need one.
    Have you got a work permit for giving out advice?
    Norton, Keda, it looks like both of you will be going to jail, hmmm, wonder if they can get me for copying and pasting from Phuket Gazette

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    Quote Originally Posted by Happyman
    The reasoning is that tourists passing by looking for a foreigner friendly bar will see the ex-pats sitting there and are tempted in !
    Strange assumption

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtydog View Post
    Actually it looks like most of the posters on this thread will be going to jail.

    Quote Originally Posted by bart
    In theory any work carried out, even for free, requires a work permit. So strictly you need one.
    Have you got a work permit for giving out advice?
    Norton, Keda, it looks like both of you will be going to jail, hmmm, wonder if they can get me for copying and pasting from Phuket Gazette
    We're fish in the barrel. Unless they're after the fat one or the big one, best we can do is bolt to the side as the net swishes through.

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    That's it not helping the missus with the shopping cooking or washing up,ain't got a work permit.It worked when the condo needed a lick of paint she did it herself.
    She can also carry the dirty washing to the laundry,and go fill the drinking water bottles when we need more.
    I am officially a fat lazy bastard from now on,that includes filling out any forms at banks and the stupid miserable immigration officers can fill in the visa form, in case of entrapment.
    Am i allowed to drive or ride a motorbike or do i need a visa?.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nigelandjan View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Happyman
    The reasoning is that tourists passing by looking for a foreigner friendly bar will see the ex-pats sitting there and are tempted in !
    Strange assumption
    Not really but I understand what you are saying .

    The bar in question is where some of the day trips to Phi Phi drop off their european customers and they are mostly family groups and want somewhere to wait for their mini bus to take them back to their hotels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtydog View Post
    Happyman, it seems you will be going to jail, my understanding is your quite old, so likely not going to survive a short jail term, I would just like to take this oppurtunity to thank you for your contributions to the forum and to say that you will be missed by all of us.


    PS, have you got an old netbook that you wont be needing? Smallest one possible, be grateful if you could keep that in mind as they cart you off to jail in the back of a truck handcuffed to the other evil criminals
    Sentiments expressed at the end of the first paragraph are much appreciated.

    Second para though does indicate a certain degree of mental instability on your behalf.
    If you indeed are interested in a dual-fuel (charcoal/ paraffin)laptop 17 years old with an operating speed almost as fast as a bloody snail on vallium - when they come to get me I will make sure that you have first refusal on it !


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    Quote Originally Posted by keda
    An interesting point that could probably be debated forever without a rational answer
    just up your rightard street

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    Quote Originally Posted by bart View Post
    In theory any work carried out, even for free, requires a work permit. So strictly you need one.


    what about farangs who assist at their bars ,
    I know one partner in a bar complex who has a work permit as a teacher.

    Sits in the bar every night supervising staff.

    If anyone raids the place he is just a customer....

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    ^ 20 ^
    Go on, piss him off, bequeath it to him.

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    good info on this forum .
    i was going to paint the outside fence ,
    i have told the darling , i cannot do
    i not have work permit .


    rachel predjudice is alive and well in LOSgs

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    Quote Originally Posted by Happyman
    I understand what you are saying .
    Then you will also understand why I wont be calling in,cheers

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