Child access

**Bangkok gooner** · 02-09-2010, 03:00 PM

I have been married 6 years we had a child in England that is now 3 years old, we recently split and we are going to be divorced as soon as can be arranged. In the mean time my wife has decided to stop me from seeing my daughter , does anyone have any ideas what i can do. Daughter was born in UK has a uk and thai passport i have original birth certificate as i registered the birth, is full custody an option?

**Bobcock** · 02-09-2010, 03:21 PM

Mate of mine has just won full custody of the children who were both born in Thailand but have both passports.

**aging one** · 02-09-2010, 03:35 PM

How can she stop you from seeing your kid? Just go and see the child. Of course you can get full custody. Good luck.

**Stinky** · 02-09-2010, 03:53 PM

Originally Posted by Bangkok gooner

I have been married 6 years we had a child in England that is now 3 years old, we recently split and we are going to be divorced as soon as can be arranged. In the mean time my wife has decided to stop me from seeing my daughter , does anyone have any ideas what i can do. Daughter was born in UK has a uk and thai passport i have original birth certificate as i registered the birth, is full custody an option?

You will need legal representation and even then the UK courts almost always award custody to the mother providing there is no legal reson why she should not have the child.
In the meantime a solicitor will be able to arrange access through the courts untill divorce is finalised.
Personaly I'd just go and lift the child, if you're a responsible father with no previous, working and of good character what can she do.
Fucking Thai mothers are so unreasonable.

**Pol the Pot** · 02-09-2010, 04:10 PM

As I understand it the children are in Thailand with the mother.

Is it correct that the fathers get custody in Thailand?

**Frankenstein** · 04-09-2010, 10:45 AM

Not automatically, but based on a couple of friends own stories (both got custody over the Thai mother) there seems to be a higher chance of the father getting custody in Thailand than in the West. They said the Thai court is more likely to look at who makes the most, as they see money as a key factor in giving the child a good life.

So if their interpretations were correct, and the father has the higher income, it is not unlikely he will win custody. Obviously any criminal record or mental illness in any of the parents will also play a part.

**Marmite the Dog** · 04-09-2010, 11:42 AM

Originally Posted by Frankenstein

They said the Thai court is more likely to look at who makes the most, as they see money as a key factor in giving the child a good life.

Nice to see a Thai system that makes more sense than a 'western' one.

**Pol the Pot** · 04-09-2010, 12:50 PM

Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog

Originally Posted by Frankenstein

They said the Thai court is more likely to look at who makes the most, as they see money as a key factor in giving the child a good life.

Nice to see a Thai system that makes more sense than a 'western' one.

And quite similar to Cambodia, where fathers get custody, even foreign fathers.

**Bangkok gooner** · 05-09-2010, 09:52 PM

I thank everyone for their imput, my wife does not have a job but comes from a rich family so i guess they will support her. I will ask my lawyer if i can get a tempory order allowing access pending hearing for divorce, that was a good idea. I love my daughter and just want to see her smiling face. I don't hate her mother but she can be so stubborn, i might go for full custody see how she likes that.

**Bangkok gooner** · 05-09-2010, 09:58 PM

Originally Posted by Pol the Pot

As I understand it the children are in Thailand with the mother.

Is it correct that the fathers get custody in Thailand?

The child is living in Thailand with the mother but so am i. I have a good standard of living and of course i can and will support my child my school whome i have worked for for 18 months now fully support my actions, and will write a letter to the courts stating that i am a good teacher and loved by the students and parents alike for the way i treat there children.

**tsicar** · 05-09-2010, 10:36 PM

Originally Posted by Bangkok gooner

Originally Posted by Pol the Pot

As I understand it the children are in Thailand with the mother.

Is it correct that the fathers get custody in Thailand?

The child is living in Thailand with the mother but so am i. I have a good standard of living and of course i can and will support my child my school whome i have worked for for 18 months now fully support my actions, and will write a letter to the courts stating that i am a good teacher and loved by the students and parents alike for the way i treat there children.

you have to make the big decision:
do you want full custody, and are you happy to accept the responsibility that goes with it?
sorry, but from experience, i must say that i think your situation is not going to improve.
if you think that the kid will be better provided for by your ex (poth physically and psychologically), then try to make a deal with your ex for occasional visits.

if you have any doubts whatsoever, and you are prepared to take care of ALL the child's needs as a single parent:

..then go and take her.
screw the courts, screw the cops.
there is no way that you can be kept from the child if you are the registered father on the thai birth certificate.
you CANNOT be charged with kidnapping if the child is yours legally and the mother does not have a legal document saying she has exclusive custody.
i have been there and done that.
been arrested for kidnapping and eluding arrest (almost shot by the cops), took my kids from the bitch and kept them.
the thais won't fight for custody in court (their children just don't mean that much to them), and if they try, then get your child out of the country while she still has a valid passport.
good luck

**Bangkok gooner** · 06-09-2010, 12:38 PM

I made all the money in the household, my wife never worked during our marriage, in fact she didn't have a job when i met her. So income wise iam a sure fire winner. My school have offered her a place at a reduced rate and this is well within my means. My worry is that her parents are very rich and can support this situation without any problem. But will courts take into accout the wealth of her parents?

**tsicar** · 06-09-2010, 11:42 PM

Originally Posted by Bangkok gooner

I made all the money in the household, my wife never worked during our marriage, in fact she didn't have a job when i met her. So income wise iam a sure fire winner. My school have offered her a place at a reduced rate and this is well within my means. My worry is that her parents are very rich and can support this situation without any problem. But will courts take into accout the wealth of her parents?

speak to a good lawyer before you go jumping the gun.
...or brtter still, pm november rain for advice.
custody of a thai child (born to a thai mother, and therefore regarded by the authorities to be thai), by a farang is going to be an uphill battle, no matter who has the most money.
take your kid and run.
there is nothing they can do about it.

**DrAndy** · 07-09-2010, 02:14 PM

Originally Posted by Bangkok gooner

I thank everyone for their imput, my wife does not have a job but comes from a rich family so i guess they will support her. I will ask my lawyer if i can get a tempory order allowing access pending hearing for divorce, that was a good idea. I love my daughter and just want to see her smiling face. I don't hate her mother but she can be so stubborn, i might go for full custody see how she likes that.

You may find that your ex may see sense in time and give you access; after all, it is the kids interest to see her father as much as possible

In the meantime, stop your antagonism and try to make peace, for the kids sake. Using kids as a weapon on each other is very damaging.

Try not to have to use a lawyer, they tend to make things worse, for whatever reason. Talk to her and her family, be reasonable but not emotional. Your last sentence above shows that you too are just aiming to hurt, not seeing the best interest of your daughter.

**DrAndy** · 07-09-2010, 02:15 PM

Originally Posted by tsicar

take your kid and run. there is nothing they can do about it.

whilst that may be good advice if your ex is a crackhead, it is stupid if she is a normal woman from a good family. It would not be in the kids best interest

**Bangkok gooner** · 07-09-2010, 02:26 PM

[In the meantime, stop your antagonism and try to make peace, for the kids sake. Using kids as a weapon on each other is very damaging.

Before i left the home i agreed access with my wife, i had no intention of fighting any battles, then she accused me after i had left the marital home of having a girlfriend and said if i have a new girlfriend i can never see my child again. She came to my house with her mother, and snatched the child out of my house screaming and shouting. I let them go as i did not want to upset my daughter.I had only had the child for 2 hours and this was my first access day.

**DrAndy** · 07-09-2010, 08:16 PM

any breakup can be hurtful, for both parties

she is obviously still damaged and in pain, even getting jealous if you have a new life. Maybe she also thought your daughter was seeing the new woman in your house, which would not be a good thing too early

let it settle for a little while

**Bangkok gooner** · 07-09-2010, 09:21 PM

Well it is a lawyer thing now, i will let them do their work and try to cut a deal out of court we will see.

**DrAndy** · 08-09-2010, 05:12 PM

bad move

**Bangkok gooner** · 08-09-2010, 09:52 PM

Originally Posted by DrAndy

bad move

I had no choice 49 messages no reply, 38 phone calls no replies what could i do we have sent a letter seeking consiliation with both lawyers present, she has 7 days to respond if she doesn't then we go to court for a tempory child custody order, she wants to keep all the money too not a chance of me letting that happen either. I can prove all the property and monies i moved from England i had before i met her, now she wants it all not 50% all what kind of shit is that. No sex for two years paid her 50k a month to look after house and sort the bills, all i got was a miserable face and grief if i dared to have an occassional night out with friends from school. I think it's a dam good move.

**spikebs4** · 08-09-2010, 10:36 PM

no sex for two years , paid her 50k a month /fkme/ miserable face , grief ... i think its a dam good move .... yeah 23 months to late ..

**DrAndy** · 09-09-2010, 07:42 PM

Originally Posted by Bangkok gooner

Originally Posted by DrAndy

bad move

I had no choice 49 messages no reply, 38 phone calls no replies what could i do we have sent a letter seeking consiliation with both lawyers present, she has 7 days to respond if she doesn't then we go to court for a tempory child custody order, she wants to keep all the money too not a chance of me letting that happen either. I can prove all the property and monies i moved from England i had before i met her, now she wants it all not 50% all what kind of shit is that. No sex for two years paid her 50k a month to look after house and sort the bills, all i got was a miserable face and grief if i dared to have an occassional night out with friends from school. I think it's a dam good move.

sonds like you will be a lawyers dream

but if that is what it takes, good luck

**tsicar** · 09-09-2010, 11:20 PM

Originally Posted by DrAndy

Originally Posted by Bangkok gooner

Originally Posted by DrAndy

bad move

.

sonds like you will be a lawyers dream

but if that is what it takes, good luck

the right lawyer can sort out the problem.
a limp-wristed approach when dealing with thais will get you nowhere.
i still think he should grab the kid and get the hell outta there.

**Bangkok gooner** · 10-09-2010, 03:19 PM

Originally Posted by tsicar

Originally Posted by DrAndy

Originally Posted by Bangkok gooner

Originally Posted by DrAndy

bad move

.

sonds like you will be a lawyers dream

but if that is what it takes, good luck

the right lawyer can sort out the problem.
a limp-wristed approach when dealing with thais will get you nowhere.
i still think he should grab the kid and get the hell outta there.

It has come to light that she lied to the amphur about our status when we registered the marriage , she told them we had been living together for the past 18 months when in fact i didn't know her at all for a year of that time further more i had only spent 3 weeks in Thailand in that same 18 months as my passport shows, Lawyer says it is a very big no no to lie to government officals, and could even invalidate marriage she can also be proved a liar in court. Any thoughts on this???

**tsicar** · 12-09-2010, 01:23 PM

Originally Posted by Bangkok gooner

Originally Posted by tsicar

Originally Posted by DrAndy

Originally Posted by Bangkok gooner

Originally Posted by DrAndy

bad move

.

sonds like you will be a lawyers dream

but if that is what it takes, good luck

the right lawyer can sort out the problem.
a limp-wristed approach when dealing with thais will get you nowhere.
i still think he should grab the kid and get the hell outta there.

It has come to light that she lied to the amphur about our status when we registered the marriage , she told them we had been living together for the past 18 months when in fact i didn't know her at all for a year of that time further more i had only spent 3 weeks in Thailand in that same 18 months as my passport shows, Lawyer says it is a very big no no to lie to government officals, and could even invalidate marriage she can also be proved a liar in court. Any thoughts on this???

don't get the marriage declared invalid. the best way is simply to get the divorce, it is easy in thailand.
use it as a threat, but if the marriage was invalid (ie, if the child was born out of wedlock), then you would have no custodial rights even although you are registered as the father and the child has your name, as far as i know..

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