Thread: Employment contract request

^I'm 100% certain about that. You must state a salary of 50,000 Baht in your tax return, even if you are only paid 40,000 Baht.

The visa is renewed on tax paid, not evidence of salary

Originally Posted by William

^I'm 100% certain about that. You must state a salary of 50,000 Baht in your tax return, even if you are only paid 40,000 Baht.

The visa is renewed on tax paid, not evidence of salary

wow! that's good to know, wish I had realized that earlier..

Originally Posted by Chili Pepper

Klong Dweller

you negated the value of your post right here...my nic is Klongmaster in care you can't read

Originally Posted by klongmaster

Originally Posted by Chili Pepper

Klong Dweller

you negated the value of your post right here...my nic is Klongmaster in care you can't read

I read it right but do not care. It's just you seem more of a dweller than a master.

If your response is to not give me your opinion, then I am happy to leave it at that. As you opinion comes from the klong it's most likely gonna stink anyway.

Originally Posted by William

^I'm 100% certain about that. You must state a salary of 50,000 Baht in your tax return, even if you are only paid 40,000 Baht. The visa is renewed on tax paid, not evidence of salary

Correct, but I thought the minimum taxable salary for a farang is 60,000.00 per month.

The employer must pay tax on that amount (60K) but can negotiate a lesser salary.

^that's what I had thought, but earlier in this thread was told it was 50K.

I am sure it is 60K minimum and depending upon the qualification documents presented and when applying for a work permit that figure may rise accordingly.

For instance sake the salary nominated for me on my work permit documents (and as mechanical engineer) is 100K per month so tax is drawn accordingly.

Originally Posted by Chili Pepper

To cut a long story short my responsibility and earning power for the company have grown exponentially over the past 2 years. To put things in perspective I am 29 years old and am happy to still admit I still have a lot to learn. Not that it makes that much difference as my main question was what I should expect for an annual bonus in Thailand. From what I have read thus far, Thai's seem to usually get 1 month as a minimum. I imagine when I am your venerable age Mr.Khlong (from your profile 60) I will have a lot more earning potential.

bladdy hell mate, if you are 29 wtf are you doing on that sort of wage and conditions?

They is having a laff.....

you should be building your earning potentil, not wasting away as a token white face for a xenophobic company....

Originally Posted by kingwilly

bladdy hell mate, if you are 29 wtf are you doing on that sort of wage and conditions?

They is having a laff.....

you should be building your earning potentil, not wasting away as a token white face for a xenophobic company....

It's taking a while to realize and I still may be peeling back to the real faces of this company but my feeling is you could be spot on KW.

Anyway, it's payday today and I would be very surprised if get anything of a bonus when the salaries come through. The owners have both conveniently gone away for the New Year so I will have to stew over the situation for a few days. At the end of the day it would stupid to expect it if as Britmaveric said it was not agreed in writing before hand.

Clearly one shouldn't assume anything when dealing with these people. I probably will have to accept this as a lesson learned and sooner or later the company will have to accept losing or at least having a less enthusiastic employee come January 5th.

Why don't you return to the basis upon which you originally worked for them - hours, responsibilities etc?

What you may very well find is that you'll be shown the door - unfortunately.

In my view, you are being used. Better to take your pay & then move off to a better position, before they shaft you. This kind of Thai employer is lower than pond scum - they really are.

So the next question is how I should go about putting my cards on the table on the 5th.

Judging by some of the reactions here I am more certain I am being undervalued and it's time to air my grievances.

How would you deal with this type of negotiation? I get the impression working for these people is like shopping in a night market and you have to request and barter otherwise you will get nothing. I really dislike this way of doing things, would it be appropriate to put my grievances in a letter and my "suggested" contract terms in writing?

In a normal world it should be offered and it feels totally inappropriate having to force the issue directly but I know that TiT and that I have too. I also realize if I go in on the 5th and simply raise the issue and "request" new contract terms it will be done in Thai time and I am sure I will not be offered the terms I am seeking.

I now have a clearer idea of what kind of terms I will accept and have set a minimum figure at which I will decide to move on.

I am not at all that comfortable having to go to the owners and discussing this as I would likely either lose my cool or like often happens in Thai markets end up either compromising or walking away with nothing.

^ You have no cards, unfortunately. None at all - other than what is in your contract of employment & basic MOL policy.

Originally Posted by watterinja

Why don't you return to the basis upon which you originally worked for them - hours, responsibilities etc?

What you may very well find is that you'll be shown the door - unfortunately.

In my view, you are being used. Better to take your pay & then move off to a better position, before they shaft you. This kind of Thai employer is lower than pond scum - they really are.

Thanks for your input WN. I was already thinking of this as the option I will give them and my plan B. They can have me on the improved terms and conditions in a new full-time contract or I go will go back to the original part-time terms.

^ This would be your best option. All the best, but please do be prepared to find alternative employment if it goes wrong. Thais are renowned for this kind of behaviour.

I had EXACTLY your situation towards the end of last year.

Lot of people will be getting laid off in BKK next year, you might find yourself out of work for a long time if this all backfires.

Do you have other job opportunities lined up waiting for you?

Originally Posted by watterinja

You have no cards, unfortunately.

Of course he has - don't be so pessimistic.
He has the same card as any employee have, he has been employed because
he was needed.

Employer/employee relation is quite simple:

1. You get employed because you are needed, you have a value.
Don't sell yourself for peenuts if you think your value is higher.

2. Make sure your value remains. Secure your position, remain needed.

3. Make sure your employer understands it.

^ In many countries they would understand the long term benefits of keeping this guy as an employee and he'd be in a better position to negotiate. In Thailand it's less certain they'll take this into account so the third point you make is quite important.

Originally Posted by Chili Pepper

They can have me on the improved terms and conditions in a new full-time contract or I go will go back to the original part-time terms.

Having been in a similar situation early on in my time in Thailand I can assure you that they will not allow you to return to the original part-time terms...

as Watters said they hold all the cards...

best you look around for a new job before you raise the matter with them...that way you can simply leave if they don't come to the party...

oh and try not to lose your cool with them as you never know when your paths may cross again in the future...simply 'moving on to widen your experience' is enough for them to know...

otherwise you might find that you are required to teach at their company courtesy of your new employer and you want to be able to do that without any recriminations...

Originally Posted by bkkmadness

Lot of people will be getting laid off in BKK next year, you might find yourself out of work for a long time if this all backfires.

Do you have other job opportunities lined up waiting for you?

This is where I am going to try and channel my energy. If nothing else I have made some good contacts in the software industry and also with clients so I am confident I could find something. But, as you say in the current climate its likely to be harder to find a new job.

Thanks all for your advice and comments. It's greatly appreciated.

Originally Posted by Whiteshiva

Very true - be prepared to move on. If you like to play with hard stakes, go into the meeting and give the impression that you have already made up your mind to leave. Tell them how much you have enjoyed working with them, but that the time has come to move on to more challenging (and better paying) work.

If they say goodbye, then the game is over. If they try to talk you into staying, then you have to play your cards right to get what you want. Aim high, and only settle for what you want. Verbal promises are worthless (e.g. "perhaps next year we could promote you and double your salary" - it won't happen).

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good way to do it.

but have something lined up first.