Thread: Boundary wall

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

I agree but only my wife can negotiate with the owner and my wife isn't confrontational except with me.

Haha. Funny in that my wife is opposite. She has no issue getting in people's faces about stuff.

I think what you may find Prag is that what neighbors do on their side of the wall is hard to dispute. I asked my wife a few moments ago and she said that it's a headache. Only sure angle is their trees leaned up against it and knocked it over or cracked it. The rules about how much landfill a neighbor can add is not legally determined.

For me I know us westerners believe their neighbor will be respectful and courteous but that doesn't always work.

Originally Posted by Stumpy

The rules about how much landfill a neighbor can add is not legally determined.

I think it is in that they cannot exceed their markers. Our wall is behind all our land markers and by their soil exceeding their markers they've trespassed. If and if it's a big ' if ' they decide to leave a gap between our property they are going to have to get a machine to dig it out. Then we have the worry "will a digger damage the wall"?

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

I think it is in that they cannot exceed their markers. Our wall is behind all our land markers and by their soil exceeding their markers they've trespassed. If and if it's a big ' if ' they decide to leave a gap between our property they are going to have to get a machine to dig it out. Then we have the worry "will a digger damage the wall"?

What I meant to state Prag is that they can add as much as they want height wise. Sure arguably it will run up against your wall but I think you will find that this neighborly dispute will be hard to rectify.

Ideally they should build an easement on their side but think we both know, that will never happen.

I have a American buddy here who had to build a run off easement as water from the neighbors ran on to his property under his wall.

I think everyone would agree, deal with it before it goes any further.

Originally Posted by Edmond

the first step, which is you telling the German foker to get all their shit off your land.

No point in hanging about.

^ Not all chanoted plots are legally surveyed as it costs money to do so.

For example, Ol' Dear carks it and leaves a rai to 3 adult children that live elsewhere and have zero interest in it. The Chanote is divided up and they all get a separate chanote showing their plot, they put up a fence or wall.

Fast forward 3 generations and the plots have been sold, bought, inherited, sold, bought, lost in a game of Hi-Lo, won in a game of Uno, lost to the bank and bought again. None of the owners are members of the original family, they have their separate chanotes but no one has ever ponied up the thousands of baht it costs for the legal survey team to come (often waiting 6 months for them to get to them) and put down the legal markers and the fences/walls are accepted as the boundary. If getting the boundaries properly done, budget for around 10k baht, legally all neighbouring plot owners need to be informed and allowed to be witnesses on the day.


Anyway, have you told Adolph to fok off and get his Scheiße off your land, Prag?

Originally Posted by Edmond

Anyway, have you told Adolph to fok off and get his Scheiße off your land, Prag?

He's back in Germany and it's a Thai problem for the women registered owners to sort out. I just wanted to know what the laws were regarding land disputes involving Chanote titled encroachment. Posted the same question on another forum but nothing came of it. The jury is out.

Got any retort Mr "Thinks he knows it all" Mao?

Fact is, Molle is right. The only outlier is if you happen to own a huge chunk of farmland.While there are markers, they do not care about 1 meter. Our entire area is plotted out and the govt knows where property lines are. I have seen aerial pics.

@ Prag. Like you, I let my wife navigate these back and forths. The thing is, while we had a wall built around our property, what the neighbor does is really out of our control. Even if you put the the entire wall inside your property line, dirt will rest up against it so what are you to do? Sure it seems like they encroached on your land. Our walls were built right on the noted property lines. The only argument people have would be if a tree growing on the neighbors side and knocking it over. Interestingly when I asked some time back, "What is the max wall height you can build" and it was an "Shrug" response. Also to note that a neighbor can add landfill to as high as they want as long as the dirt doesn't come in your yard. Crazy I know.

Hopefully as you mentioned, water to your place doesn't become an issue. Easement's are relatively inexpensive in the big picture.

Originally Posted by Molle

Land held
under Chanotes are accurately surveyed and GPS plotted in
relation to a national survey grid and marked by unique
numbered marker posts set in the ground.

When our land was marked up I asked why weren't they using GPS!!!!. I was told because they didn't have one. In the passed 17 years they've never been back to GPS it.

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

I just wanted to know what the laws were regarding land disputes involving Chanote titled encroachment.

Ahh, okay. There are codes on encroachment based on good faith and bad faith, unfortunately they're based on buildings and immovable objects, not a bit of soil.

You might be interested in Section 1343 of the Civil and Commercial Code. It's based on digging or loading soil that effects the soil on the neighbouring plot. It's not based on the soil they've put on your plot, but the effect of them excavating or overloading the soil on their side of boundary and how it effects yours.

For the drainage issue, it would be covered by.... lemme put on me thinking cap and sip me herbal tea..... Section 13....1340, I believe. Based on artificial drainage.

Basically, any change due to artificial drainage and the owner of the effected lower land can claim for compensation for any damage done by such, and legally request that owner of the higher land pay for a drainage system that leads the water to a drain or waterway.

Originally Posted by Stumpy

I have a American buddy here who had to build a run off easement as water from the neighbors ran on to his property under his wall.

Ohh, if that happened due to the neighbour altering the land on their side, the neighbour is legally responsible for the costs of adequately draining the water to a drain or natural waterway, as per Sec. 1340 of the civil code.

If the work that caused the artificial drainage happened in the last 12 months, shoot me a PM and our legal team might be able to help. :-)

Originally Posted by Stumpy

Got any retort Mr "Thinks he knows it all" Mao?

Originally Posted by Edmond

shoot me a PM and our legal team might be able to help.

Originally Posted by Edmond

... lemme put on me thinking cap and sip me herbal tea..... Section 13....1340, I believe.

Please don't encourage the googling wanklet.

Peak TD. Couldn't the two protagonists settle it with a game of badders, we'll even reduce the net height.

The OP previously mentioned ploughing into the drainage ditch of a local lass while her Western husband was away.


It's not her, is it Prags?

Your house made it onto the interwebs, Prags.





Homeboy ain't happy.


The land on the bottom right will probably become a pig farm.

Originally Posted by Edmond

Your house made it onto the interwebs, Prags.





Homeboy ain't happy.


The land on the bottom right will probably become a pig farm.

Sadly that pic is a very possible scenario.

At least he won't need to use a ladder to get on the roof.

Originally Posted by Stumpy

Sadly that pic is a very possible scenario.

The wife has been talking with the land owners and they've said that they will hire a small excavator to pull the soil from the wall. I told my missus 2 days ago that they won't, they couldn't give a flying fcuk about us. Anyways my missus is away in BKK today and the lorries turned up to finish tipping so I goes out and stop them. Bit of a stand off before my MiL turns up with a phone. My missus tells me to let them finish tipping and they'll come back with an excavator at a later date to sort out the problem.
Now on the other 3 sides of the neighbours land they've left a 1-2 meter gap with the other neighbours land markers and sloped it off. My missus is so fcuking dumb that she was agreeing with me about what to do and know goes back on it. As SA says 'they are the dumbest of people'.

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

As SA says 'they are the dumbest of people'.

Sounds to me like they is your wife, and her alone.

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

Now on the other 3 sides of the neighbours land they've left a 1-2 meter gap with the other neighbours land markers and sloped it off.

Do the other neighbours also have walls just built inside their own boundary? Or fences etc?

Originally Posted by aging one

Sounds to me like they is your wife, and her alone.

She's 1 in 72 million then.

Originally Posted by Edmond

Do the other neighbours also have walls just built inside their own boundary? Or fences etc?

Of the other boundaries the German and his wife haven't gone even close to 2 other neighbours land and the 3rd boundary is the public tarmac road where they've sloped off the land to match up with it. Our land is the only one with a wall and the only one where they've butted soil up against it to the height of about a meter. The wall is about 60m long

Prag, this is the price you have to pay when you choose to sequester yourself in the ghastly boonies and indulge yourself in the daft delusion that simply because you have built a wall around your demesne you thought you could keep the world at bay.

Stop fetishising this complaint. You are becoming a bore. I’ve already told you what to do so crack on with it.

Or, thinking laterally, demolish your wall and replace it with wire.

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

You are becoming a bore.

Kettle & pot spring to mind. And hypocrite.