Thread: Dual Nationality

Originally Posted by The Fish

Originally Posted by NickA

^yes, they will expect to see a visa, so you have to show them the British as well.

So when the daughter leaves Thailand show them the Thai and British passport no visa needed??
when return back into Thailand show them the Thai so they stamp the Thai passport not the Brithish pasport so there will be no Thai stamp in the daughter's British passport keeping that empy regarding visas????????????

You will need to show both Passports to the Staff at Check-in and later at Boarding because it is their responsibility to ensure that the passenger can enter the UK when the flight arrives there.

At Thai Immigration at the Airport, they will only need to see a Thai Passport - very rarely does Immigration ask to see a Visa for the destination Country or some evidence that she could enter UK, it's not their job, all they are checking is that the passenger was in Thailand legally - which a Thai Passport obviously proves.

It's not a good idea to show Thai Immigration both Passports - as I say they just need to see the Thai one and showing them 2 will only confuse them. Some Officers may not even know that it is legal to have 2 Nationalities and cause problems.

Always enter and leave Thailand on the Thai Passport, if she uses her British Passport she is limited to how long she can stay without getting a Visa extension or whatever.

Patrick

I applied for my son's birth registration and UK passport on June 12th at the embassy in Bangkok and was told to wait 8 weeks (as I wasn't married before baby was born and he was born before July 2006) and please pay now at the counter.
was amazed that 6 weeks later to receive a call to go to the embassy and pick them up!! not only on time but 2 weeks early!!! efficiency from the UK embassy in Bangkok!!!

and here he is with his two passports

^that section of the embassy is generally very good and I've always had good service from them, it's only the visa section that is crap.

^
oh sh*t thats next

The white haired British fellow in the embassy consulate section is fantastic, knows absolutely everything tells you exactly what you need to know and sometimes even more, nice bloke too, very British accent and calls people chap

^That's good to hear.

please please somebody help me heres my story ive been with my thai girlfreind now since january 2007 we have one child together born in jan 2009 in thailand im trying to get a birth certificate and passport for my half thai/farang baby ive been to the visa shops and they are asking arouund 20-25000 baht for the 2 ive got the thai birth certificate with my name on (farang) and the mothers name i know the form i got to get (c2) but im having trouble filling it in im going to try for a visa for my girlfreind on this trip JUN 10, i got all the paperwork but i know the fee for the visa is 5000 odd baht how do theese shops want so much i know i shoudnt have a problem getting the babys passport but what theese visa shops are saying to me they are difficult to get i dont know if they are just saying that to get the money but from word of mouth and previous conversations they are not difficult to get please can anybody advise me on the situation im in and the time it would take me for the baby to get her passport im pulling my air out wether to go to a shop or try myself
thank you i hope somebody can help me

many regards carl

Originally Posted by Ivor Biggun

Dual nationality isn't recognised after this age in Thailand.

Most definitely is.

thanks bogon they want 25000,for the babys british birth cert and passport ,and 30000 to try and get the visa for my gf however im unemployed but here are my points

1.unemployed but got money in the bank
2.gf dosent own property but has 2 children (thai) she is divorced with the cert
3.i got all the paperwork ie long birth cert,bank statements, letters,charachater references, in the last 3 years ive spent 2,1/2 in thaialnd with rental receipts, airline tickets,
4. my mother and father is going to be an accomadation sponsor (also i got the deeds (original) with me to show the goverment that the house is paid for)
photos of my mother and father gas electric bills
5,my mother and father have got plenty of money to show if needed

also if sucessfull will i need to buy a return ticket to thailand for my gf as im only tring for a holiday (6 months visa )

if anybody can help id appreatiate it thanks again

carl

Lets hope you don't suffer from the criminal actions of those who choose to obtain visa fraudulently for financial gain.

Sadly there are many that do....

im 100% genuine

^ Looks like you have the funds and means to get the visa.
The only stumbling block could be the reason of why your GF should/want to return to Thailand?
A six month visa seems too long for her first visit to the U.K. Why not try for something shorter first, say a month and then if successful you apply for a longer visa next time.
Will she be leaving the kids in Thailand? If the answer is in the affirmative then the powers that be may ask why would you leave them for 6 months?
They may also ask why would you like a 6 month visa? That seems a awfully long time to visit friends and family!
Don't panic about buying an airline ticket. You can go to a travel agents and prebook a ticket that they can hold for you for 48hrs without any money being laid out. Get a print out of th itinary from the travel agent and supply this with your paperwork.
Just make sure that your GF's reasons to return outweigh her reasons to stay in the U.K.

thank you bogon holiday visas now are 6 months not three months her 2 children will be staying for schooling purposes etc but my baby will be traveling with us i want to travel to the uk on the 11 august and return early december just me and my gf the baby will stay in the uk my purpose for going back to thailand at that time would be to apply for another holiday visa i could possibly get a letter from one of my well to do thai freinds to say that she has been working for them and she still got a job to come back to after her holiday in the uk do you think i should spend the 30,000 at the visa shop or try myself also if the visa would be granted would i have to show when we land a return ticket for my girlfreind

many thanks

Oh I don't doubt it....but there are scum out there who fuck it up for decent cases like you.

My dealings with the Visa department over the years have been quite pleasurable, I have never failed to get the visa required. Just get your paperwork in order, supply what they ask for, nothing less. they aren't suddenly going to say "Oh he seems like a nice chap we'll not be requiring that item he cannot provide then" and you will be successful.

Don't pay the visa service scum......

^ Don't get me wrong mate. I am not an expert of pro at obtaining visas.
I used to write about 3 or 4 visa applications per month for students wanting to attend educational institutes in the U.K and had a 100% pass rate.
I have also helped a few mates with paperwork and have a rough idea of how the "system" works.
My advice is not to lie on your applicaton and be as prepared as you can.
I have stressed and will stress again. They want to see a solid reason of why your GF would want to return to Thailand.
I would not go down the route of saying your missus was employed by one of you well to do friends for various reasons. A few of these being...your GF's bankbook would show this was false, where are the tax reciepts?, her employer would submit a letter saying how long she worked for him/her and that your GF would gladly be reemployed on her return to Thailand.
I wish I could help you further, but my knowledge is limited and I would not like to give you false hope or dissapointment.
An agency will always say you have a 99% chance of success because that is how they make money (Non-refundable deposits and such).
I do hope some other posters butt in and offer you extra advice.
Please keep us updated and goodluck.
Oh, last point. If you wanna spend 30,000 large on an agency I would gladly give you the same service for 30% less!
They do exactly what you would do, but put it in a pretty folder!

My wife and I have two sons born in OZ but hold dual citizenship by birth. They have Thai birth certificates.
We are building a house in Thailand where we will retire. What happens when we cark it and pass the house/land to our sons?
Do they have to participate in the National Service lottery? (the oldest is already in the Australian Army).
If they don't go in the lottery can they still inherit the house and land?

Originally Posted by Phuketrichard

Originally Posted by Ivor Biggun

I was told that if I register my child at the British Embassy for dual nationality that when the child reaches 18, under Thai law, they have to decide if they want to be Thai or British. Dual nationality isn't recognised after this age in Thailand. Or have I been told a load of shit. Thanks

Bullshit BUT
if your child is male and he does keep his thai nationality he will be subjected to having to be in the lottery to possible join up in the Army.
Happened to a friend of mine son here in Phuket even though he was in university in Bangkok at the time. So he is now serving 2 years in nakon nowhere as the assistant to the head honcho cause his English is better and he is also teaching some of the officers English as my friends son had an international education years 1-12

Only way around it is if he leave Thailand till he is 26 (or so I am told) which is what another friend of mines is doing, His son is heading to America for 8 years. He was told by the amphur in Surin that they MIGHT be able to get him to not be accepted for 50,000 baht, ( if he was called up) but not 100% sure they could do it

MY daughter holds Thai and American and never will have to choose :-)

There is a provision in the Thai Nationality act whereby someone with Dual Nationality MAY choose, in the year after he / she reaches 20, to renounce the Thai Nationality. The key word is "may", there is no obligation to choose and no penalty for not doing so. Naturally the vast majority simply choose to do nothing and thus retain both Nationalities.

As far as the National Service Lottery is concerned, if the male child is studying in Thailand he can join the Officer Cadet scheme (not actually sure what it's called but the Secondary School he attends will know) whereby he has to complete various courses, weekends away training etc., but if he passes the Course he is exempt from the Lottery.

Patrick

Welshmale60,

What is your status in Thailand? How old are you? What are your intentions? Do you intend to remain in Thailand and if so on what basis? Your last post was a little ambiguous. What do you mean by saying you will return to Thailand in December in order to apply for another holiday visa?

The obvious suspicion likely to be harboured by the visa officer is that you intend to return to the UK with your British child and GF for settlement under the guise of a visit because you think she may not qualify under the rules. Thus, you will come under scrutiny as much as your GF.

Originally Posted by Patrick

As far as the National Service Lottery is concerned, if the male child is studying in Thailand he can join the Officer Cadet scheme (not actually sure what it's called but the Secondary School he attends will know) whereby he has to complete various courses, weekends away training etc., but if he passes the Course he is exempt from the Lottery.

It's just the same as we have in our country's. It's a cadet force and it does indeed exempt you from call-up if you complete the course at school. So my wife tells me.

Originally Posted by thegent

Welshmale60,

What is your status in Thailand? How old are you? What are your intentions? Do you intend to remain in Thailand and if so on what basis? Your last post was a little ambiguous. What do you mean by saying you will return to Thailand in December in order to apply for another holiday visa?

The obvious suspicion likely to be harboured by the visa officer is that you intend to return to the UK with your British child and GF for settlement under the guise of a visit because you think she may not qualify under the rules. Thus, you will come under scrutiny as much as your GF.

ermm, did you not notice the date he posted that?

I know you like to call me thick but....

Oops.

Well spotted 'shandy. No flies on you, eh?

Originally Posted by superman

Originally Posted by Patrick

As far as the National Service Lottery is concerned, if the male child is studying in Thailand he can join the Officer Cadet scheme (not actually sure what it's called but the Secondary School he attends will know) whereby he has to complete various courses, weekends away training etc., but if he passes the Course he is exempt from the Lottery.

It's just the same as we have in our country's. It's a cadet force and it does indeed exempt you from call-up if you complete the course at school. So my wife tells me.

Sounds like the OTC at uni in the UK. My Siamese sister in law did it I think. She was a Lt. by the time she graduated, and she seemed to have no trouble landing a government job afterwards. She did it to impress her dad. I think women are exempt from the lottery (and that probably extends to half-Thai female children).

I wonder what happens if your half-Thai son joins the non-Thai parent's country's military... e.g. if they joined the Limey/Ocker/Kiwi/Canuck Army, they'd have to swear allegiance to Liz, and that would seem incompatible with serving in the Army of another monarchy.