Thread: Dual Nationality

^No, not exactly. The original birth certificate that I had was the short version. I had to go to the office in the UK to get the longer version.

My son was born in Banglamung 31 July 2003. His mother and I, although we had lived together for 7 years at that stage, had never (and still haven't) married. I applied for 'Australian citizenship by right of descent' for my son in early 2006, hoping to get a passport for him before we travelled to Aus in March. It didn't come through in time so we got a Thai passport for him. After a bit of kerfuffle his Aus citizenship came through and his passport issued in June 2006. We moved to Aus in October 2006 and have been back to Thailand once since then. Used his Thai passport to enter & exit Thailand and Aus passport to exit & enter Australia. We intend to keep both nationalities for him although I'm a little worried about the 'military service' thing. Mind you, it is 15 years away.

Originally Posted by Red dragon

They also want copies of your Passport, birth certificate.

Sorry to disagree. They wont accept copies. Only original documents.

Originally Posted by JoGeAr

We intend to keep both nationalities for him although I'm a little worried about the 'military service' thing.

A few Baht in the right hands will sort that out.

Originally Posted by NickA

^No, not exactly. The original birth certificate that I had was the short version. I had to go to the office in the UK to get the longer version.

The key is (once again from a NZ perspective which I doubt differs) is that it must have your parents on it as well; the 'long form' version.

Originally Posted by Red dragon

Originally Posted by The Fish

my daughter is 8 months old, me and the Thai wife were married 2 years ago, what do I need to do, including paper work, to get the daughter a British passport and how much?
thanks

Should be pretty straight forward for you providing you have all the paper work, i.e your original birth certificate, marriage certificate (translated into English and confirmed) Wife's I.D Card and Passport, Daughter's birth Certificate (again translated and confirmed) and if daughter has passport then that also.
They also want copies of your Passport, birth certificate.
Complete the form available at the embassy with photos of Daughter.

fee is Child's passport = Bt. 5,320.00

Originally Posted by Ivor Biggun

Originally Posted by Red dragon

They also want copies of your Passport, birth certificate.

Sorry to disagree. They wont accept copies. Only original documents.

I said in my post they want original but also require copies that hey will send away

Originally Posted by Red dragon

Should be pretty straight forward for you providing you have all the paper work, i.e your original birth certificate

Got the samll paper one here but I don't have the longer version of the birth certificate, how would I go about getting it while still here in Thailand?

marriage certificate (translated into English and confirmed

)
Not a problem

Wife's I.D Card and Passport,

ID card ok, but she doesn't have a passport, would that make a problem?

Daughter's birth Certificate (again translated and confirmed) and if daughter has passport then that also.

Again first part ok but no passport.

Thanks

^ the fact your wife and daughter don't have a Thai passport shouldn't be a problem,
as long as they both have indentification should be fine.
I had my mother go to the registrar office in my hometown to get the longer version of my Birth Certificate and got it sent over.

Thai passports are only 1,000 baht and only take 30 minutes to apply for, you'll get them within a week. You can go to Central Bangna and maybe some of the other Centrals as well.

Originally Posted by Red dragon

^ the fact your wife and daughter don't have a Thai passport shouldn't be a problem,
as long as they both have indentification should be fine.
I had my mother go to the registrar office in my hometown to get the longer version of my Birth Certificate and got it sent over.

Thanks for all that Red dragon, will get my mother onto it.
Just to re-check, the total cost will be Bt. 5,320.00? and is that for a 10 year passport?

Another thing I am not clear on is when travelling from Thailand back to England and then back to Thailand again.

Leave Thailand on the daughter's Thai passport?
When get to England show the Thai or British passport?
When leaving Engand show the Brithish passport or Thai passport?
When arrive back in Thailand use the Thai or British passport?

Originally Posted by NickA

Thai passports are only 1,000 baht and only take 30 minutes to apply for, you'll get them within a week. You can go to Central Bangna and maybe some of the other Centrals as well.

To get the wife and daughter a Thai passport what paper work will I need?

^^just give them both and they'll check the one they need.

^birth certificate, house book, wife's ID, your passport (don't forget, i did and had to go back with it).

I think that's it.

Originally Posted by The Fish

Leave Thailand on the daughter's Thai passport? When get to England show the Thai or British passport? When leaving Engand show the Brithish passport or Thai passport? When arrive back in Thailand use the Thai or British passport?

Leave Thai
Enter British
Leave British
Enter Thai

Originally Posted by Mr Pot

Leave Thai
Enter British
Leave British
Enter Thai

That's what I thought but then I had in my head this, am I wrong??

Leave Thai

But wouldn't you need a visa in a Thai pasport to leave Thailand and go to England??

^yes, they will expect to see a visa, so you have to show them the British as well.

Originally Posted by NickA

^yes, they will expect to see a visa, so you have to show them the British as well.

So when the daughter leaves Thailand show them the Thai and British passport no visa needed??
when return back into Thailand show them the Thai so they stamp the Thai passport not the Brithish pasport so there will be no Thai stamp in the daughter's British passport keeping that empy regarding visas????????????

Originally Posted by The Fish

Just to re-check, the total cost will be Bt. 5,320.00? and is that for a 10 year passport?

Babies passports are initially issues for 5 if under a certain age. This age I've forgot.

“Section 13 of the Citizenship Act 1965 stipulates that a female Thai national who marries a foreigner and is later granted citizenship by her foreign husband’s home country shall maintain her Thai nationality.

There is no Thai law that stipulates that she must lose her Thai citizenship. However, she may choose to revoke her Thai citizenship, a decision the Thai government will announce the Government Gazette.

For Thai children with dual nationality, the Citizenship Act (3rd issue) 1992 states that a Thai national with a foreign father may declare his or her intention to revoke Thai nationality within the year following the child’s 20th birthday.

The law does not mention that the child will automatically have his or her Thai citizenship revoked. If the child does not declare his or her intention to revoke Thai citizenship, that child will still hold Thai nationality.”

Individuals with dual nationality are full nationals of each country. When in a country where they are a national then that nationality will take precedence over the other nationality. It is irrelevant which passport was used to enter the country or whether or not the individual is resident or visiting.

Governments rarely get involved in offering assistance in situations where the dual national is present in the other country of which s/he is also a national.

Originally Posted by The Fish

So when the daughter leaves Thailand show them the Thai and British passport no visa needed?? when return back into Thailand show them the Thai so they stamp the Thai passport not the Brithish pasport so there will be no Thai stamp in the daughter's British passport keeping that empy regarding visas????????????

As I've said. If you don't want to get her a Thai passport then she is free to come and go in Thailand up until the age of 14. There is no penalty paid on a childs visa overstay under that age.

Thanks for all of that,
another thing is what are the dis-advantages or advantages if you do or don't register the birth with British Embassy? But just get the child a Brithish passport only.

As said in page 1 "Registering the birth isn't a legal requirement".

^ Thanks for the quick reply and for the rest, if you can think of anything else i might need to get the daughter the Brithish passport pm me if you want.
Big thanks again

The Fish, you are worrying to much. As long as you are British, and her father, you will get her a passport. It takes about 21 days to apply and receive. Best of luck but you wont need it.

^
Yep, Fish your case seems pretty straight forward, just get hold of the longer version of your Birth Certificate the rest will be plain sailing.

I opted to register my child's birth as you get a British style Birth Certificate and also registered in the UK so he doesn't have any difficulties obtaining it in the future. it is 10,000 baht but in the future if he is in a similar situation to you where he needs his Birth Certificate but doesn't have one then it is a lot of messing around and who knows how much money it will cost then.