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    WS - if he was a contracted worker, sounds to me like he got hard done by.

    The limitation period on a contract worker being considered full-time is 2 years.

    Need to take a look see at his contract, but on the limited info I have, I'd say he is up a famous creak without the needed paddle.

    As for Diaw, his sounds a little bizarre (when doesn't it). No disrespect to him, but it used to be the case that there was only one Labour Court - regardless of where the local of the case was from. I admit, that could have changed.

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    Thanks for that, William. I believe his contract states nothing that he could use to his advantage - he had an interview this afternoon with another firm, and my ex-employer voiced an interest too, so I guss it will be OK in the end. It just pisses me off that he was treated this way.
    Any error in tact, fact or spelling is purely due to transmissional errors...

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    ^true, but no different to many places these days mate. Fact is, long-term costs are much cheaper to hire qualified contracted workers. Blame the agencies - not the employers.

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    I haven't been here for a while...and I always enjoy reading William...

    According to my knowledge of labour law in Thailand, and I haven't read all messages in this thread neither seen your contract, this is what an employer normally has to do:

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    Severance Pay
    An employer shall pay severance pay to an employee whose employment is terminated, as follow:
    1. An employee who has worked for at least 120 consecutive days, but for less than one year shall be paid basic pay for 30 days at the most recent rate of basic pay received by him.
    2. An employee who has worked continuously for at least one year but less than three years shall be paid basic pay for 90 days at the most recent rate of basic pay received by him.
    3. An employee who has worked consecutively for three years but less than six years shall be paid basic pay for 180 days at the most recent rate of his basic pay.
    4. An employee who has worked consecutively for at least six years but less than 10 years shall be paid basic pay for not less than 240 days at the most recent rate of his basic pay.
    5. An employee who has worked for more than 10 years consecutively shall be paid basic pay for not less than 300 days at the most recent rate of his basic pay.

    Where an employer terminates an employee because of improvement to the working unit, production, distribution or service processes, arising from the utilization of machinery or a change of machinery or technology, and which is cause of the reduction in number of employees. The employer shall follow:
    1. Notify a labour inspector, and the employee to be terminated, of the date of termination of employment, the reasons for terminating the employment and the name(s) of the employee(s) to be terminated at least 60 days in advance of the employment termination date.
    2. Where an employer fails to give advance notice to an employee of his termination, or give advance notice but shorter than 60 days, the employer shall instead of the advance notice, pay special severance pay, equal to 60 day pay at the most recent rate of basic pay that the employee has received, or equal to his basic pay received for the last 60 days in the case of an employee who receives his basic pay based upon his output.
    Where special pay is made instead of the provision of advance notice, it shall be deemed that the employer has paid remuneration instead of providing advance notice under the civil and commercial code.


    An employer shall pay special severance pay in addition to the regular severance as follows:
    1. Where an employer terminates an employee who has worked continuously for 6 years or more, the employer shall pay special severance pay in an amount of not less than the basic pay received for the most recent 15 days, for each complete year of work; or not less than the basis pay received for the most recent 15 days for each complete year of work in the case of an employee.
    2. Who receives his basic pay based upon his output, but the total severance pay shall not, in aggregate, exceed 360-day basic pay at the most recent rate or not exceed the basic pay paid for the last 360 days in the case of an employee who receives his basic pay based upon his output.
    3. In calculating special severance pay, where an employment period is less than one year, the exceed of more than 180 days shall be deemed as one year of employment.

    Where an employer relocates its place of business and effects the ordinary course of living of the employee or his family, the employer shall follow:


    - Notify the employee of the relocation not less than 30 days prior to the date of relocation. If an employee does not wish to work for the employer at the new location, he has the right to terminate his employment contract and be entitled to special severance pay at the rate of not less than 50% of the rate of severance pay.

    - Where an employer fails to give advance notice of relocation of its place of business to an employee, the employer shall also pay special severance pay in lieu of the advance notice in an amount equal to 30 day pay at the most recent rate of his basic pay.

    An employer is not required to pay severance pay to an employee whose employment has been terminated for any of the follwing reasons:

    1.Resignation

    2.Dishonest performance of his duties or the intentional commission of a criminal act against the employer; Intentionally causing loss to the employer

    3 Performance of gross negligence which result in severe loss to the employer; Violation of the employer's work rules or regulations or order which are both lawful and equitable when the employer has already issued the employee with a prior written warning, except in a serious instance when the employer is not required to give a warning.

    4. The written warning shall be effective for a period of one year as from the date of the commission of the violation by the employee;

    5. Neglect of his duties for a period of three consecutive work days without reasonable cause, whether or not a holiday intervenes;

    6.Imprisonment by reason of a final judgement.

    7. An employment contract shall be terminated when the specified period in the employment contract expires, the works related are as follows:


    8.1 Employment on a special project, which is not in the normal way of business or trade of the employer, where there is a fixed schedule for commencement and completion of work.

    8.2 Work of a temporary nature with a fixed schedule for its commencement or completion.

    8.3 Seasonal work in respect of which employees are only engaged during that season; provided that the work most be completed within a period of two years and the employer and employee have entered into a written agreement at or prior to the commencement of employment.
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    This was taken from an organization in Thailand promoting rights of workers. I believe it's up to date because we had a similar case few months ago and I asked questions to the lawyers at our office and they all told me the information was accurate.

    There is also a book about the laws and regulations of workers in Thailand, in English and Thai. It's available at Thamassat university bookstore.
    If you need the reference, just send me a private message.

    Good luck.
    Last edited by Sebastien; 11-06-2008 at 11:35 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by William View Post
    As for Diaw, his sounds a little bizarre (when doesn't it). No disrespect to him, but it used to be the case that there was only one Labour Court - regardless of where the local of the case was from. I admit, that could have changed.
    Apparently it has to be dealt with by the Labour Officer in the province in which the matter arose. In this case, it apparently felt under the SamutPrakarn jurisdiction & had to be passed over by the central (BKK) hot-(air)-shot.

    The oil made sure it never got anywhere near a Labour Court - apparently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butterfly View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by watterinja
    The so-called BKK government hot-shot was all air.
    well, what else did you expect ? all those Thai officials are full of hot air. If they weren't, they would be working a real job, not pretending like they do.

    Are you still going to Singapore ?
    It appears that I'm reasonably gainfully engaged of late & have recently been appointed as Technical Director for a reasonably large Australian company - currently still based in Thailand (nominally). Coupled with some internet-based consulting work, has seen the wolf retreating from the door a little.

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    I have read this thread - start to finish - in one sitting.
    Absolutely typical of the ethics here and in complete contrast to my work experience in the East !

    Six months after leaving Taiwan after completing four consecutive 1 year contracts there I was amazed when ,out of the blue, they sent me a cheque for 4 months salary!!
    It turned out that the company lawyer and accountant were sorting out the books for the annual audit and spotted a cockup!
    I was totally unaware of a clause in the Taiwanese labour regulations that entitled me to a months salary at the end of a 12 month contract! It was overlooked as they ran on from one to the next.

    In Malaysia it was "same - same but different!"
    There all employees - either full time or contractors- have to pay into the EPF ( superannuation fund ) and the employers match the amount you pay in .
    When you leave you just take your card down to the EPF office and they refund the total combined contribution +interest!

    Why cant the Thais learn from others ? Only two words have to be added to the language - Honesty & Integrity !!

    Hope all ends up well for you and you have my sympathies.

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    ^there are a number of similar policies in Thailand to those you mention, but they are not mandatory schemes. There was talk of introducing similar mandatory schemes, but given that most politicians are also businessmen, I doubt it'll happen soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by William View Post
    ^there are a number of similar policies in Thailand to those you mention, but they are not mandatory schemes. There was talk of introducing similar mandatory schemes, but given that most politicians are also businessmen, I
    doubt it'll happen soon.

    ............. ever
    doubt it'll ^ happen .

    Unauthorised alteration to your post !

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    Chapter 11 - Compensation Payments

    Section 118. A boss shall pay compensation to an employee whose employment has been terminated as follows:
    • (l)An employee who has worked consecutively for a full one hundred and twenty days but less than one full year shall be paid not less than thirty days the last wage rate.........
    • Just curious - are these "days" actual working days, or calender days? In other words, in the above quote, would a person paid on a day rate be entitled to 30 working days of salary, or just a months worth of salary (20-21 days)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whiteshiva View Post
    Chapter 11 - Compensation Payments


    Section 118. A boss shall pay compensation to an employee whose employment has been terminated as follows:
    • (l)An employee who has worked consecutively for a full one hundred and twenty days but less than one full year shall be paid not less than thirty days the last wage rate.........
    • Just curious - are these "days" actual working days, or calender days? In other words, in the above quote, would a person paid on a day rate be entitled to 30 working days of salary, or just a months worth of salary (20-21 days)?
    WS,

    A little from column A, some from column B...

    It's calendar days however that provision/section of the Labour Protection Act doesn't apply to workers on a day rate - as far as I'm aware (strong caveat that one! )

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    ^Ant, that was my understanding too

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    Employment contract request

    Sorry, meant to be a new thread

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