Thread: Cutting Teak Trees

Jeff the Brits raped Phrae before Chulalongkorn stepped up to the plate.

Originally Posted by thaimeme

Originally Posted by Horatio Hornblower

The British raped the land and formed a teak empire in the late 1800s

...in Burma and Malaya, perhaps.

Though, the attempts to establish such a foothold here were largely in vain.
The 2-3 British interests in teak [in particular] were highly restricted and limited by the good Chulalongkorn.

Originally Posted by Horatio Hornblower

Jeff the Brits raped Phrae before Chulalongkorn stepped up to the plate.

Originally Posted by thaimeme

Originally Posted by Horatio Hornblower

The British raped the land and formed a teak empire in the late 1800s

...in Burma and Malaya, perhaps.

Though, the attempts to establish such a foothold here were largely in vain.
The 2-3 British interests in teak [in particular] were highly restricted and limited by the good Chulalongkorn.

An interesting article that you might find stimulating....

In the academia.edu directory - easy to find.
By Brett Bennett
Forestry as Foreign Policy: Anglo-Siamese Relations and the Origins of Britain's Informal Empire in the Teak Forests of Northern Siam, 1883-1925

Thanks but read it before,if it wasn't for those damn frenchies they'd all be speaking English now.

Originally Posted by Horatio Hornblower

James Can't do there in the position of the planned home,plus the timber will be Eco friendly on the wallet as well for the build.

Do you have planning permission for this house, probably not if there are trees in the way.
We all know things like planning permission are not followed too much, but it is still the law, if someone doesn't like you and complains, you're wrong, you broke the law.

Follow the rules and no one can make problems, bend them or break them and you can end up paying.
Thais can be very vindictive at times, Thai on Thai, as a farang you are lower down the pecking order.

Originally Posted by jamescollister

Originally Posted by Horatio Hornblower

James Can't do there in the position of the planned home,plus the timber will be Eco friendly on the wallet as well for the build.

Do you have planning permission for this house, probably not if there are trees in the way.
We all know things like planning permission are not followed too much, but it is still the law, if someone doesn't like you and complains, you're wrong, you broke the law.

Follow the rules and no one can make problems, bend them or break them and you can end up paying.
Thais can be very vindictive at times, Thai on Thai, as a farang you are lower down the pecking order.

Unless one has a relative or two within high ranks.
Does have it's moments.

Originally Posted by Horatio Hornblower

Norton Thanks, yes it has Chanote.

I can't see your problem if the land has Chanote title.

So let me get this strait. If there are teak trees on land that a person owns by Chanote, then no permission to cut them down is needed?

I thought all teak was controlled by the government?

I'll take some photo's of some teak trees across the road from where I live that were cut down about 6 months ago. Was never a problem, so I understand. The locals shared them out.

Originally Posted by rickschoppers

So let me get this strait. If there are teak trees on land that a person owns by Chanote, then no permission to cut them down is needed?

I thought all teak was controlled by the government?

Realistically, every situation will differ from the next.

Originally Posted by rickschoppers

If there are teak trees on land that a person owns by Chanote, then no permission to cut them down is needed?

There shouldn't be if you really do have Chanote title. A lot of people don't know the full definition of 'Chanote'.

This thread on TD might assist.

We have remaining 24 rai of teak trees that are 20 yrs. old. You need a proper chanote with the updated / latest GPS coordinates on it and permission to plant from the Forestry Administration Organization (after they survey the plot) - they will then give you a registry paper. Somewhere along the way - whilst the trees are maturing - you can obtain a tree stamp for when you want to harvest the trees.

Teak Tree Plantations - Farming in Thailand Forum - Thailand Forum

This is concerning 'Plantations' not 5 trees in ones back yard.

Is there really a difference in Thailand? Just asking.

Originally Posted by rickschoppers

Is there really a difference in Thailand? Just asking.

All depends what you're comparing?

Cutting teak trees to cutting teak trees.

Originally Posted by rickschoppers

Cutting teak trees to cutting teak trees.

Why didn't you say? There's a big difference between 5 random teak trees in ones back yard to a 25 Rai plantation. The plantation will be logged whereas the 5 trees will be incidental. That's how it appears to be with the trees that were cut down outside my house.

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

Originally Posted by rickschoppers

Cutting teak trees to cutting teak trees.

Why didn't you say? There's a big difference between 5 random teak trees in ones back yard to a 25 Rai plantation. The plantation will be logged whereas the 5 trees will be incidental. That's how it appears to be with the trees that were cut down outside my house.

Without becoming too pedantic - sounds about right.

So all teak trees are not equal with regard to Thai law.

We have a grove of teak trees across from us on land that was once owned by my wife's father. He sold it years ago and now a teacher from Udon owns it. If I had to guess there are more than 100 teak trees on his land. Will he be able to just cut them down whenever he wants?

Originally Posted by rickschoppers

Will he be able to just cut them down whenever he wants?

This article might assist.

Unasylva - No. 201 - Teak

Policeman to truck driver "What's in the truck?"
Driver "Just some teak trees, only 5 of them"
Police "Where's the paperwork?"
Driver "Oh I don't need paperwork to harvest or transport, they came from chanote land"
Police "Are they stamped?"
Driver "Noooo.... see the land, it was chanote......"
Police "Thanks for the wood......"

Very plausable Necron.

Who the fcuks going to transport 5 trees?

The police, I guess.

Who else?

Originally Posted by Necron99

Policeman to truck driver "What's in the truck?" Driver "Just some teak trees, only 5 of them" Police "Where's the paperwork?" Driver "Oh I don't need paperwork to harvest or transport, they came from chanote land" Police "Are they stamped?" Driver "Noooo.... see the land, it was chanote......" Police "Thanks for the wood......"

When did carting them around the country enter the equation? HH wants to clear his 'Chanote' titled land that has 5 trees on it. I don't see a problem.

Teak trees can't be cut without permission, if you get caught you get caught, the rights or wrongs make little difference.
A few 100 Baht may get you a permit to fell the trees, no permit and you could get done.
A chance you take, simple as that, break the law and you can get in trouble.

Teak trees left standing after equal number were felled. The stumps are still there 6 months later and never hidden to cover up the crime(?). The trunks were used locally and one or two were just left to rot where they were felled.