Thread: Shoestring Renovation.

What colors are those wires ?

I'm seeing white, blue, yellow and black. ?

Wonder what color he will use as the Earth. ?

Originally Posted by terry57

What colors are those wires ?

I'm seeing white, blue, yellow and black. ?

Wonder what color he will use as the Earth. ?

I see a bit of green in there too.

All of the conduits (in the first pic of post #99) have white, blue, green and black.

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Oh yes, I do see that as well.

TA.

Those are pipe cutters he's using, for cutting conduit .

Make sure your elec man doesn't connect the 'neutral' cable to the earth in your consumer unit. Neutral in Thailand carries 3-4 volts, for some unknown reason, and will make your earth live resulting in receiving a shock when showering. Be warned.

Today bombed out as the ceiling man's uncle died. We did not know him but, offered our condolences.

He said he "may" be available Mon or Tue. We are at a stage where electrics cannot proceed as all the holes need to be cut for pot lights and the rest of the wiring ties in "somehow".

So we chill out and wait for things to run their course....

Ennis

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

Make sure your elec man doesn't connect the 'neutral' cable to the earth in your consumer unit. Neutral in Thailand carries 3-4 volts, for some unknown reason, and will make your earth live resulting in receiving a shock when showering. Be warned.

Will certainly pursue this to a satisfactory conclusion, thanks for the heads up...

Some of you reading the whole thread may recall we said we were going to renovate the old loo (Post #18).

As we have a great outdoor entertaining area (yet to be completed) in our vision :-)

We thought a loo in close proximity would be nice. It was also large enough a room to put our Washing Machine & Dryer in there, releasing space in our otherwise small home. Plus it has a perfectly serviceable septic system.

You can imagine our horror when our neighbour - with his toothless grin - explained how he has "helped us" by knocking down the old loo for us. He "knew" we did not need two loo's....

Flabbergasted... All my wife said was "welcome to Thailand darling" (I have been coming here since 1967) thank goodness her "grin" showed some lovely teeth....

He did not smash the pad and I was not going to retain the squat toilet anyway... So it can be salvaged... at more expence of course.

My wife has "thanked him" " and "suggested" he not help us without asking"...... Duh!!!

Ennis

Briliant.

Originally Posted by terry57

Briliant.

I did not have "Brilliant" in my vocabulary, when I first saw it.... Took a while to cool off too.

I "vicariously" Poisoned, castrated, tortured, etc... the "nice" man.....

Ennis

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It's funny you mention the " Spring " method baldrick. I would of bent a mile of conduit using the spring and heat gun method.


Failing that it was using proper Bends. 90 deg and 45 deg.

Regards clipsal Double power points, available in Bunnings for $ 4 AUD

300 Baht in Homepro, not clipsal though.

I consider clipsal the best out there.

You younguns don't know you're born! Back in't day 'twas metal conduit, a big metal conduit bender and a tap and die. Real conduit!

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In 74 I started an Installers Apprenticeship.

Worked mainly on Hospitals and big installs.

All steal conduit tap and Die method.

I still have a nice set of wire crimpers I stole from my boss. 555555

baldrick;3105194

what did he steal/salvage ?

Roofing. door, all wood, etc...

I regard it as mostly junk....

Your renovation is great has given us some new ideas and inspired us to proceed with ours within the next year.
Thanks

Originally Posted by Ennis

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

Make sure your elec man doesn't connect the 'neutral' cable to the earth in your consumer unit. Neutral in Thailand carries 3-4 volts, for some unknown reason, and will make your earth live resulting in receiving a shock when showering. Be warned.

Will certainly pursue this to a satisfactory conclusion, thanks for the heads up...

Erroneous information Pragmatic.
If the ground is not bonded at the service panel a ground fault ( short in appliance) is unlikely to trip the breaker.
Bonding elsewhere other than the service panel IS dangerous.

Best safety first is a whole house GFI (SafetyCut) in the service panel ( now required in Thailand to pass inspection)..on demand electrical shower heaters should have them..belt and braces.

The voltage you mention should not be perceptible, has no appreciable current component and is not a danger..if it reached a dangerous level of current for whatever reason the GFI would pop..

Originally Posted by crepitas

Erroneous information Pragmatic.

Dangerous information pragmatic -

Originally Posted by crepitas

Best safety first is a whole house GFI (SafetyCut) in the service panel ( now required in Thailand to pass inspection)..on demand electrical shower heaters should have them..belt and braces.

These on demand water heaters are a real menace in Thailand, my biggest concern when it comes to electricity here.

Any one who is not a Licensed electrical worker in a country which adheres to IEC regulations needs to stop giving Electrical Installation advice

Originally Posted by crepitas

Anyone experiencing tingles

has no earthing or bad earthing

Originally Posted by crepitas

but the most likely is an ancient appliance wherein neutral to ground bonding exists..money saving ploy by many manufactures to save three wire cords

2 wire appliances should be double insulated and should have this label



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appliance_classes

Originally Posted by terry57

These on demand water heaters are a real menace in Thailand, my biggest concern when it comes to electricity here

if the on demand heaters are installed correctly and have proper earthing available there is nothing wrong with them

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Of course.

The problem is, the vast majority of them are plugged into a GPO that contains No Earth.

Thank fuk Thailand is finally enforcing Earthing and Safety Cuts in new housing.

Thai extension leads being a prime example.

A two pin plug on one end that plugs into the GPO and a three pin socket on the other end able to take an appliance that requires Earth.

It's a fokin Gong show out there when it comes to the Electrical issue.

Had a Loooong talk with our young electrician after all your "very welcome" posts.

We are using three grades of wire:

• One for lighting
• One for the sockets (Plugs)
• One for Air con(s) and water heater.

Each wire is progressively thicker as per the above list

I examined all three and each wire has three insulated strands inside, Brown, Green and blue.

He also is using a separate roll of "green" wire for whatever reason.

He is earthing the house with a 1.8M thick copper rod... to which he is "braising" the earth wire.

Young guy, in his 30's, "says" he is properly trained and certainly is a neat worker that appears competent. But hell, lifes a lottery....

Comes to Electricity, I am a complete dumb dumb... I am aware some guys have said something to the effect "Please don't offer advice unless you are well qualified" I, being a non electrical person (I am in electronics, had a computer business for about 20 years).

So I ask, "Please consider the advice carefully" it can be worrisome......

After "Pragmatics" post I had visions of "singing halleluia" in the shower, as I go to see my maker..

Ennis

Originally Posted by Ennis

We are using three grades of wire:
One for lighting
One for the sockets (Plugs)
One for Air con(s) and water heater.

1.5 mm2
2.5 mm2
4 mm 2 - though this is debateable depending on the actual current drave of the aircond and the heater

just make sure he runs separate circuits for the power and the lighting - you should also maybe have 2 or 3 power outlet circuits with an equal number of outlets on each

Originally Posted by Ennis

He also is using a separate roll of "green" wire for whatever reason.

maybe to run from the circuit panel earth bar to the earth stake