Thread: Laptop/Notebook or Netbook

Originally Posted by slackula

Again, I am sure you can, although it'll probably be one of those horrible cracked TrueFaster versions or something.

actually they use the original XP from the manufacturer

all those laptops offer an official XP version, but you must pay an extra 15,000 THB, so instead the staff use the official CD and install it for you for a small tip

isn't Thailand great ?

Originally Posted by DaffyDuck

From the guy who bought a Mac mini and keeps using it....

only because it looks pretty next to the TV,

^ but you get XP, an OS far more superior than OSX. Why would anyone pay 10,000 THB for OSX ? nobody, that's why they are bundled with the mac laptop

the mac laptop as a standalone machine would be very competitive, if they could run XP, I am sure they would sell for less than 20,000 THB

but Steve Job being an idiot, don't want to exit the software business (where they are seriously lagging), he should concentrate instead in the gadget business and the stylish laptops

So,
next best suggestions - the Niece does not want to go with a MAC - ?
She is willing to forget about DVD RAM and fancy sound system.

So any ideas what laptop (yes she too does not want the netbook) would be a pretty good all rounder?

Large hard drive - plenty of RAM - (for some reason she also does NOT want ACER)

What are the basics to look for - as I said in previous posts, I have NO IDEA about laptop specs - so your help is invaluable - (I quite fancied the idea of the MAC - but it's a no go - apperently she reckons they are a bit incompatible with certain printers???? That I cannot understand.

Originally Posted by Butterfly

the mac laptop as a standalone machine would be very competitive, if they could run XP, I am sure they would sell for less than 20,000 THB

They can. Never heard about Bootcamp ?

And about the idiot ... he is quite successfull in the business, how about yourself ?

Originally Posted by Missismiggins

So,
next best suggestions - the Niece does not want to go with a MAC - ?
She is willing to forget about DVD RAM and fancy sound system.

So any ideas what laptop (yes she too does not want the netbook) would be a pretty good all rounder?

Large hard drive - plenty of RAM - (for some reason she also does NOT want ACER)

What are the basics to look for - as I said in previous posts, I have NO IDEA about laptop specs - so your help is invaluable - (I quite fancied the idea of the MAC - but it's a no go - apperently she reckons they are a bit incompatible with certain printers???? That I cannot understand.

She is doing the right thing, taking a Mac would be a dead end

we told you the solution already, go to TESCO, the specs are all about the same, no need to worry, plenty of RAM and have DVD-RW etc... included all for less than 20,000 THB

try ASUS or another brand, it doesn't really matter, they all share about the same specs

Buying a laptop these days have never been so easy, it's a brain dead job

make sure it has FireWire, DVD-RW, Intel Core 2 Duo or similar, avoid AMD like the plague and that's about it, the rest doesn't really matter, they are all equivalent in terms of specs (160 GB HD SATA or non-SATA, 1GB RAM, GeFORCE etc...)

your most important specs is price,

Originally Posted by Wallalai

And about the idiot ... he is quite successfull in the business, how about yourself ?

young man, you will find in this world that a lot of idiots are successful and rich, and yet it doesn't stop them for being idiots. Steve Jobs happens to be one of them, but he is not alone

Originally Posted by Wallalai

They can. Never heard about Bootcamp ?

yes install MacOS first so you can run BootCamp and then switch to XP. You are a wonderful genius, aren't you ?

No need to install MacOS X as it is already installed on every new Mac you buy. Am I not a genius ?

Originally Posted by Butterfly

make sure it has FireWire, DVD-RW, Intel Core 2 Duo or similar, avoid AMD like the plague and that's about it, the rest doesn't really matter, they are all equivalent in terms of specs (160 GB HD SATA or non-SATA, 1GB RAM, GeFORCE etc...)

Ok about avoiding AMD.

It's really unlikely you'll get a non-SATA harddrive in a recent laptop.

And 1GB RAM is not enough to smoothly run Windows and Photoshop for example. I would say 2GB is the minimum. Even the actual Linux DE need a lot of RAM. (I don't speak about light WM)

Originally Posted by Wallalai

And about the idiot ... he is quite successfull in the business, how about yourself ?

It would be so fun to speculate how a business run by Butterfly would do, and how fast (not if) it will collapse. He's the typical turd who thinks it's all about hardware and specs, and fails to comprehend that it's about software.

Originally Posted by Butterfly

yes install MacOS first so you can run BootCamp and then switch to XP. You are a wonderful genius, aren't you ?

It's obvious you don't even know what BootCamp is - why do we waste our time on a piece of trolling shit like yourself -- who is giving bad advice every step of the way in this thread? Why?

Originally Posted by slackula

White MacBook=Core 2 Duo, 2 GB, nVidia 9400, 160 GB, OS X, one year warranty with support in HKT, ~37K

Plus, it turns out the CPUs Apple uses all are Virtualization capable, while even the claimed 'Core2Duo' CPUs on cheap laptops by other manufacturers have the VTx Virtualization Technology disabled (because they are a cheaper part).

Again, most consumers will only find out too late that the cheap Windows laptop they bought suddenly can't run VTx technology (meaning, under Windows 7, they can't run XP mode). I bet we won't be hearing from Butters when he finds out how his great deals don't let him do that..

Originally Posted by Missismiggins

apperently she reckons they are a bit incompatible with certain printers???? That I cannot understand.

She's wrong - Mac OS X will support nearly every printer - but, hey, not my problem, if that's her criteria.

I just got myself one of these HP HDX X16-1315EA Premium Notebook PC (NW732EA) specifications - HP Home & Home Office products its not a Mac but its a beauty

Originally Posted by Wallalai

And 1GB RAM is not enough to smoothly run Windows and Photoshop for example. I would say 2GB is the minimum. Even the actual Linux DE need a lot of RAM. (I don't speak about light WM)

Bear in mind that PC laptops top out at 3GB of addressable RAM -- they might be able to shove more in there, and they will even display claiming to recognize it, but firmware restrictions (in some) and OS restrictions (Win XP) will not allow it to use more than 3GB of RAM - regardless of how much is installed physically.

Current Macs will use, of course, however much you install in it.

Originally Posted by DaffyDuck

cheap laptops by other manufacturers have the VTx Virtualization Technology disabled (because they are a cheaper part).

what , like the cheap sony laptops?

whats with the FUD elmer ? the virtualisation has been disabled apparently for security reasons. and most can be re enabled in BIOS - if you know enough about VMs to want to be using one , surely you will know enough to enable it in BIOS.

next you will be saying that running a rootkit via hypervisor is impossible on a mac

Originally Posted by DaffyDuck

Bear in mind that PC laptops top out at 3GB of addressable RAM

only if you run a 32bit OS

Originally Posted by baldrick

whats with the FUD elmer ? the virtualisation has been disabled apparently for security reasons. and most can be re enabled in BIOS

I'm talking about the CPUs that have Virtualization disabled, or actually not even included.

It seems that many current intel cpus even dating back to the Pentium D series cannot run XP mode in Windows 7. This is because Intel decided to not include Virtualization Technology(VT for short) into most of their conroe based cpus, to keep cost down of the processors. Without this VT planted inside the processors, Windows 7 cannot address the program in the correct manner. Here is a list of some cpus that do not support Intel VT.

Q8XXX, E8190, E7XXX, E5XXX, E4XXX, E2XXX, E1XXX, 9X5, 8XX

There are some intel cpus which supports it - all of the e6, i7, atom, and pentium d 9X0 series support VT. However, due to restrictions of the pentium D series, VT is almost useless in an environment like 7. In contrast, all modern AMD cpus dating back almost to most 939 processors and even some 754 processors support VT in their own fashion.

Furthermore:

A Concrete Reason Macs Beat PCs: Intel VT – Stephen Foskett, Pack Rat

The latest machines won’t run increasingly-popular virtualization software. But there is a very good reason that buyers of the latest Apple machines aren’t up in arms. It seems that Apple made a deal with Intel to get a special version of the Penryn-3M Core 2 Duo CPUs that do support Intel VT!

Apple’s latest Mac Mini, MacBook, and MacBook Pro all sport P7350 and P7450 CPUs, just like competing Dell, Sony, and HP machines. But the Apple CPUs have VT and the PCs lack it. The VT support is gone, and cannot be enabled in the PC BIOS.

So even a PC and Mac sporting the exact same CPU part numbers aren’t equal: Every recent Mac will run 64-bit Windows and XP mode in Windows 7 and many PCs won’t. And I can run anything I want on my Mac Mini

Let me be very, very clear on the facts here:

Most hypervisors now require Intel VT or AMD-V in order to virtualize 64-bit operating systems

Microsoft requires this technology to use XP mode in Windows 7

All current Apple Macs (including those that use P7350 and P7450 CPUs) have Intel VT support in their CPUs regardless of what Intel says on the model spec sheets

Many PCs use high-end Intel and AMD CPUs that support VT or AMD-V, though some have this turned off in the BIOS

No PC with an Intel P7350 or P7450 CPU has Intel VT support at all. It cannot be enabled in the BIOS because it does not exist.

^ Typical Mac propaganda, 25 years of tech hype, argument manipulation and distraction to finish at the end with the Intel architecture and a Unix system. You have to wonder when they started to get it wrong, probably from the beginning

Originally Posted by daveboy

I just got myself one of these HP HDX X16-1315EA Premium Notebook PC (NW732EA) specifications - HP Home & Home Office products its not a Mac but its a beauty

a beauty, and actually better looking than a mac. I am sure VT is enabled not that 99% of users would need it anyway

Originally Posted by Butterfly

You have to wonder when they started to get it wrong

when Woz was sidelined and the marketing droids took over

^ he is teaching computers to kids in some local high school, the real genius behind it all

he saw quickly that Jobs was a megalomaniac and completely hopeless, he alienated everyone around him,

Steve Jobs became successful too quickly and that went over his head, he went from poor student hippie to billionaire almost over night and was at the front of Time magazine in a matter of months, and made Bill Gates a sore loser in comparison, can you imagine that ? he is still the biggest Silicon Valley Legend and can put to shame most of those dotcom billionaires of the 1990s. Unfortunately, he had no work experience of any kind since he never had any real job in his life, which explains his condescending attitude with everyone working around him, in particular with those who have more experience than him. He is basically a student full of naive ideals who was given a pet project to run at school.

So, if a Mac isn't an option - point me in the right direction!

Originally Posted by Missismiggins

So, next best suggestions - the Niece does not want to go with a MAC - ? She is willing to forget about DVD RAM and fancy sound system. So any ideas what laptop (yes she too does not want the netbook) would be a pretty good all rounder? Large hard drive - plenty of RAM - (for some reason she also does NOT want ACER) What are the basics to look for - as I said in previous posts, I have NO IDEA about laptop specs - so your help is invaluable - (I quite fancied the idea of the MAC - but it's a no go - apperently she reckons they are a bit incompatible with certain printers???? That I cannot understand.

Tell her to be happy with what you give her and pray to Buddha everyday for a year

Originally Posted by Missismiggins

point me in the right direction!

miggins - we posted it before

Asus / Lenovo
dual core
discrete graphics card - nvidia ( can raise the price a bit )
at least 2 gig ram
sata hard drive
720p display if possible
as many ports as possible - firewire , USB , pcexpress , SDHC etc
wireless a/b/g , draft n

tell the wench to get off her arse and look what is available and give us the specs and we can vote on it from there