Linux

**friscofrankie** · 08-07-2006, 11:29 AM

^sissy

**RDN** · 08-07-2006, 02:23 PM

Originally Posted by friscofrankie

^Now that's Geeky.

Yay! I'm a geek! I'm a geek!

Is that good or bad?

**NickA** · 08-07-2006, 03:34 PM

OK, that wasn't very difficult after alll....

Partitioned my hard drive using Partition Magic, which has plenty of help for setting it up correctly for linux....then installed ubuntu linux. Both Windows and Linux are working fine at the moment.

One preoblem - when I used th Knoppix Live-CD it detected my True pppoe internet connection very easily and was no problem - I can't seem to get it working on ubuntu - any ideas?

Also, if I connect to the internet - do I need firewall, anti-virus, adware software for linux???

**NickA** · 08-07-2006, 03:48 PM

Ok, again that wasn't very difficult...just searched on the website and it had the solution....

Guess what?.......I used the command line!!!!

In the last 6 or 7 years of using Windows I've used the command line once or twice - 1 day with linux and I'm already using it....

I'm feeling.......geeky!!!

**mrsquirrel** · 08-07-2006, 06:17 PM

Nicka

I ran Xandrox as my first try at installing Linux and Ubuntu as a live cd.

When I installed Xandrox the free version there was no problems with anything. This is on a laptop as well. It appears that laptops can cause problems.

DL Acronis disk editor for windows and it will allow you to make linux partitions and act as a boot manager.

If you are a complete idiot like me and decide to pull linux of your machine without thinking about it and then leave that grub loader thingy behind so that it tries to boot an invisible linux Acronis is great.

It lets me boot my computer with out it getting stuck looking for linux whic h isn't there.

If I ever have a bit of spare cash I am going to upgrade my HDD to a 100gb and have a dual boot again

**NickA** · 08-07-2006, 07:18 PM

What's the best all round media player for linux?

I need one that can play MP3's, plus all the normal video formats - divx, mpg, wmv etc...

**friscofrankie** · 09-07-2006, 04:14 AM

mplayer
xmms
xine
Juk
noatun
totem

Want more? Plenty out there. Honestly go to some of the sites I mentioned "What's the best" is really subjective question, ain't it? What kind of features you like?
The list of multimedia players that support mpeg/mp3/oog-vorbiss/wav/dvd/vcd and so on is longer than your arm. There's a real player for linux freely downloadable. haven't found a Quicktime player but I haven;t looked.

you can even get plugins allowing you to use the windows media player and quicktime plugins.

Simply put, what ever you want to do you can do in linux. Nobody's gonna got all the answers. The best thing to do is educate yourself. In fact if you're a compute user you should be educating your self regardless of your OS. So few people do. With Linux; it may not be required, but it is certainly a very good idea.

So get your ;linux version downloaded install it. read a book on linux Fuck with it.
What kind of user are you? Do you install software acceptig al defaults and just let however the shit lands n your system dictate yor work habit? or do you tweak things a bit to get it "clean" then forget it? Maybe you like to be constantly fuckin with your shit for grins. With linux you can have rock solid tested and sure technology or slash your wrists with a saw bleeding edge technology. Depends on your choices and your inclination.

Before I posted those links in the previous post I looked through them, listed some distros of linux & read the reviews. I suggest you do the same. Anyone contemplating purchasing a computer should take the time to read a bit on the various OS' available. the fact that most don't and accpet what ever flavor of shit uncle Bill is dishing out is what makes MS rich.
Straight up. Download SUSE this is an extremely stable package. it has a package manager for installng software, it has some very good mulitmedia apps bundled and there are more that can be donwloaded. Suse is a "user-friendly install include some virus protection and personal firewall. unless you want to use it in a Windows network DO NOT install samba.
Any Os that tries to do, on the netowrk, what windows does will be insecure.

**mrsquirrel** · 09-07-2006, 09:32 AM

What about watching DiVX's Frisky F?

Can you get the players and the codecs?

**NickA** · 09-07-2006, 10:20 AM

Originally Posted by friscofrankie

it has a package manager for installng software,

Right, kind of got the hang of this now - instead of looking for stuff on the web - you use a package manager that lists all of the apps and you choose them and it installs them for you - much easier than windows although I've had a few not work.

I've got MP3's working, plus all of the normal video codecs - Ubuntu actually comes with a program called Easyubuntu which sets up all the things you need to cross over from windows - codecs, flash, java etc...

I've also been using quite a bit of command line...here's some I've learnt...

sudo apt-get install (name of package)

killall gnome-panel

Great stuff...found this page very useful...

http://ubuntuguide.org/

Still a bit confused about root users and all that - I understand that as a normal user I can use sudo, but how do I give programs sudo right - ie. if I want to delete search engines in firefox???

At the moment I'm logging on as the root user all the time, but this is not advised!

**friscofrankie** · 09-07-2006, 11:52 AM

Yeah you can blow your system off with the wrong command Also allowing applications to run as root; dangerous.
learn to use "man" just enter "man sudo" at the command line might give you the info you're looking for. For more info on "man" enter "man man" this will locate and display your manual pages for the command line utilities you have.

Couple more weeks you'll be writing your own shell scripts, dabbling in Perl maybe eve creating your own GUI frontend for utilities.

I would still browse the net for apps without totally relying on the package manager. Rest assured, there is more out on the net, than what you see listed in your package manager.

**NickA** · 10-07-2006, 09:01 PM

Well, I gotta say so far I'm quite happy with Linux - seems to be running a lot smoother than windows and I've actually found it a lot easier to install the software I need and getting running how I want to.

If I can get torrents downloading how I want to and a DVD burning app with similar functions to Nero 7, then I'll be able to slowly phase out windows over a month or so!!!

**NickA** · 10-07-2006, 09:21 PM

Oh, one question Frankie - at the moment I have Windows on 1 partition, then a linux swap then a Linux partition then a shared storage partition which is NTFS - should I split the storage into two partitions - 1 ext2 partition for linux storage and 1 ntfs partition for windows storage - or is it suitable to store linux and windows stuff together on the ntfs partition????

**mrsquirrel** · 10-07-2006, 09:58 PM

NickA

Dunno if you can get it for Linnux but Padus - DiskJuggler is the best CD/DVD burning proggy there iss.
Search on Demonoid or Mininova.

AT the moment I am DL every live version of Linux I can find to test them all. You have inspired me to take the plunge (again) I will however need to test that my laptop's monitor output works and it recognises my printer and scanner everything else will be Dandy.

I am sure that Linux can only read FAT32 not NTFS.

A torrent program would be good.
Is U-torrent for Linux as well?

**NickA** · 10-07-2006, 10:05 PM

^I seem to be able to read NTFS fine, I'm just not sure whether it is a good idea to be writing to it or not.

There are torrent programs, I've got Bittornado, but I'm used to using Bitcomet, so I was hoping to get the same or something similar - not worth downloading until I know I can convert from avi to DVD and write a DVD with menus and all that gumph.

**friscofrankie** · 10-07-2006, 10:23 PM

i use Both partitions and share data between them. I develop web based apps and need to check style in IE before production. At thsi time I only allow root access to my windows partition but dont; really see a problem with sharing data any of my office type docs are shared between Linux and windows alot of my information but I do keep my web servers & database servers on separate volumes. Thing is NTFS is a pretty fucked up file system and there are no utilities for maintenance of an ntfs system in linux.
linux can read FAT AND NTFS if you have the right utilities installed FAT support is built in NTFS requires additional software. Looks like Nick took the easy install that found all his shit and installed what it thought he needed.

eventually you'll want to go over to either reiser or ext2/3fs if you are going to totally eliminate windows. also before you take the leap read up on partitioning strategies. you should have separate data like the /home directories also you may want /usr/local on it's own partition. allowig you to install software and that will stay on your system should you decide to install a newer, faster more manly system.
I have /var on it's own parition as well mainly because I have several databases and about 12 websites I have infact removed slackware and resinstalled without losing any data by using this method. as long as you have windows I'd say store what you need to share between OSs on the NTFS/Fat32 file system but keep all your apps working on the *nix partitions.

**Marmite the Dog** · 10-07-2006, 11:42 PM

Originally Posted by friscofrankie

Thing is NTFS is a pretty fucked up file system

Funny that, I have always been told it is better than FAT.

**Thetyim** · 11-07-2006, 12:06 AM

I was told that FAT32 was more vulnerable to a virus but otherwise not much between them.

Can you expand, Frankie

**Butterfly** · 11-07-2006, 12:10 AM

NTFS is fucked up compared to other Unix filesystem ext2/ext3 but it's much better than DOS/FAT16/FAT32

It's a journal filesystem, it was developped for IBM OS/2 initially using IBM specs.

**friscofrankie** · 11-07-2006, 12:50 AM

Very true. I was comparing it to *nix file systems when I said ot was fcked up. Fat systems have no security so they could be more open to attack yes. We could spend hours discussing file systems pros & cons. if you're gonna go linux 100% then you're gonna want to drop NTFS.
There are applications out there that will allow you (maybe) recover deleted files on ext2 file systems Some people have had limited success on ext3 (I am not one of them) systems. But you'll want to transfer your data to a native *nix file system ASAP when you make the move to 100% linux. Didn't you state you had 70GB of data? Buy an HD, man. Lose the NTFS. if you can't do it right away, do not put it off too long.

**Wallalai** · 11-07-2006, 04:27 AM

Nobody have mentioned Archlinux so far, the linux distro I use. http://www.archlinux.org/
http://www.archlinux.org/about/

As for my Linux favorites apps:

Windowmanagers
fvwm http://www.fvwm.org/
Enlightenment DR 17 http://www1.get-e.org/
More here : http://xwinman.org/intro.php

Filemanagers
emelFM2 http://www.emelfm2.net/emelFM2
konqueror : the KDE Desktop filmanager/ftp client/internet browser/ssh client

Image
The Gimp http://www.gimp.org/
Gqview http://gqview.sourceforge.net/
Imagemagick http://www.imagemagick.org/script/index.php
feh http://linuxbrit.co.uk/feh/
Xsane http://www.xsane.org/

Multimedia video
Mplayer http://www.mplayerhq.hu/design7/news.html
Xine http://xinehq.de/
vlc http://www.videolan.org/vlc/
All able to read VCD, DVD, multimedia files

Multimedia music
xmms http://www.xmms.org/
Amarok http://amarok.kde.org/
Streamtuner http://www.nongnu.org/streamtuner/
Streamripper http://streamripper.sourceforge.net/

Burning & ripping
k3b http://www.k3b.org/
Grip http://nostatic.org/grip/
DVD:rip http://www.exit1.org/dvdrip/

Internet
Mozilla Firefox
Opera
Sylpheed-Claws http://claws.sylpheed.org/
Pan http://pan.rebelbase.com/
Skype
Gaim http://gaim.sourceforge.net/
Weechat http://weechat.flashtux.org/ or irssi http://www.irssi.org/
Azureus http://azureus.sourceforge.net/
aMule http://www.amule.org/

Text & editors
Vim/Gvim http://www.vim.org/
OpenOffice

Other utilities & gadgets
adesklets http://adesklets.sourceforge.net/
Conky http://conky.sourceforge.net/
Partimage http://www.partimage.org/Main_Page
Firestarter http://www.fs-security.com/
VMware http://www.vmware.com/ (1 month free testing license)
sysinfo-linux http://gsysinfo.sourceforge.net/project/ (beta)

And more...

**mrsquirrel** · 11-07-2006, 08:28 AM

NickA

Whya re you writing to DVD

Just buy a DVD player that plays DIVX and then get half a dozen episodes or more on one disk.

,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Sorry that awas rude I forgot about your home porn movies that we can buy from your website.

**NickA** · 11-07-2006, 10:46 AM

^Yeah, good idea, but it's gonna cost a bit to replace my 3 DVD players - 1 of which is one of those 5 DVD changer thingies!

Frankie - slowly, slowly - no need to rush things, no need to spend money on new hard disks - the best way to learn is from your mistakes, isn't it? So this one will probably go wrong, but I've got no problem reinstalling windows and linux - next time things'll be better, I'll know what I need - none of my data is useful, it's mainly porn, movies and music that can be got again easily.

This is just a test run to see that linux can do everything that I want it to, then it'll be bye bye windows.

I'll have to get some books/e-books on linux and do some reading to find out about all the file structure and command line stuff.

**mrsquirrel** · 11-07-2006, 11:14 AM

Why don't you replace your DVD players with PC's and stream the movies off a central server to some tasty 42 inch plasma displays in each room.

**Thetyim** · 11-07-2006, 11:20 AM

Originally Posted by NickA

the best way to learn is from your mistakes,

Nope, the best way is to learn from someone else's mistakes
That's why I am cheering for you now.

I tried to partion my HD once and fuked the lot up
Your braver than me, I only tried the Ubunta live CD

When I replace the wife's computer I will keep the old one and play with Ubunta on it.

**slimboyfat** · 11-07-2006, 11:26 AM

Originally Posted by mrsquirrel

Why don't you replace your DVD players with PC's and stream the movies off a central server to some tasty 42 inch plasma displays in each room.

or alternatively buy a cinema and build a liveable space inside.

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