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    China installing censor programmes?

    I know less than bugger all about how these things work but am considering buying a new laptop.
    A lot of the ones I am looking at are Made in China.
    I'm in no rush to get one but then I see this on the BBC



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    China defends screening software


    By Michael Bristow
    BBC News, Beijing


    Every new computer in China will have the software installed

    China has defended the use of new screening software that has to be installed on all computers.
    Foreign ministry spokesman Qin Gang said the software would filter out pornographic or violent material.
    Critics have complained that it could also be used to stop Chinese internet users searching for politically sensitive information.
    But Mr Qin, speaking at a regular press briefing, said China promoted the healthy development of the internet.
    All computers sold in China - even those that are imported - will have to be pre-installed with the "Green Dam Youth Escort" software.
    'Poisoned minds'
    The news came in a directive from China's Ministry of Industry and Information Technology, and the new regulations will come into force on 1 July.
    The directive says the newest version of the software has to be pre-installed on Chinese-made computers before they leave the factory.
    Imported computers must contain the software before they are sold.
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    The aim is to build a healthy and harmonious online environment that does not poison young people's minds, according to the directive.
    Mr Qin defended the move on Tuesday: "The purpose of this is to effectively manage harmful material for the public and prevent it from being spread," he said.
    "The Chinese government pushes forward the healthy development of the internet. But it lawfully manages the internet," he added.
    The Chinese government regularly restricts access to certain internet sites and information it deems sensitive.
    The BBC's Chinese language website and video sharing website Youtube are currently inaccessible in Beijing.
    Critics fear this new software could be used by the government to enhance its internet censorship system, known as the Great Firewall of China.
    But a spokesman for one of the companies that developed the software, Jinhui Computer System Engineering, rejected this accusation.
    "It's a sheer commercial activity, having nothing to do with the government," Zhang Chenmin, the company's general manager, told the state-approved Global Times newspaper.







    It is all very confusing


    Does this mean that=
    1. If I take a contract in China would I be allowed to take and use my existing laptop that hasn't got the software installed ?
    2. If I buy a Chinese made laptop outside of China would it have the software installed ?


    OK if I bought it in China ( a distinct possibility) would I be able to uninstall the software ??
    Just thinking but advice would be appreciated


    Cheers !

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    July 2nd a crack to get rid of the software will be released for all.

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    Thanks DD

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    wishful thinking of their part, didn't work before, will not work this time

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    Bet you the Thai government try to do similar

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butterfly View Post
    wishful thinking of their part, didn't work before, will not work this time
    Sure. Why bother. The opposing systems/technologies are always 10 steps ahead of the repressor.

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    Are these built into the bios, or at board level ?.. OS's can be changed.. harddrives, cpu's can be changed in most cases.. are they stupid?

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    Quote Originally Posted by phunphin View Post
    Are these built into the bios, or at board level ?.. OS's can be changed.. harddrives, cpu's can be changed in most cases.. are they stupid?
    Yes....and dictatorially paranoid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phunphin
    are they stupid?
    yes, very, but don't tell them

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    Maybe they will do raids to make sure you haven't uninstalled it, there again, a windows update download may mess it up anyway

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    this is something dreamed up by a "businessman" who thinks he can have a gravy train - it won't happen

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    Quote Originally Posted by Happyman View Post
    I know less than bugger all about how these things work but am considering buying a new laptop.
    A lot of the ones I am looking at are Made in China.
    I'm in no rush to get one but then I see this on the BBC

    Unless you're in China and planning to buy one in China I wouldnt even give it a second thought.

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    Seems to be a joke, where is the software installed ? Will it work with Windows, GNU/Linux, Mac ?

    I don't see how such a filter could work on a custom OS install.

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    China's computers at hacking risk


    By Jonathan Fildes
    Science and technology reporter, BBC News


    The system reportedly blocks legitimate as well as banned content

    Every PC in China could be at risk of being taken over by hackers because of flaws in software that the government has mandated its citizens use.

    The potential faults were brought to light by Chinese computer experts who said the flaw could lead to a "large-scale disaster".

    The Chinese government has mandated that all computers in the country must have the screening software installed.

    It is intended to filter out offensive material from the net.

    The Chinese government said that the Green Dam Youth Escort software, as it is known, was intended to push forward the "healthy development of the internet" and "effectively manage harmful material for the public and prevent it from being spread."

    "We found a series of software flaws," explained Isaac Mao, a blogger and social entrepreneur in China, as well as a research fellow at Harvard University's Berkman Center for Internet and Society.

    For example, he said, tests had shown that communications between the software and the servers at the company that developed the program were unencrypted.

    Mr Mao told BBC News that this could allow hackers to "steal people's private information" or "place malicious script" on computers in the network to "affect [a] large scale disaster."

    For example, a hacker could use malicious code to take control of PCs using the software.

    "Then you have every computer in China potentially as part of a botnet," Colin Maclay, also of Harvard, told BBC News.

    A botnet is the name given to a network of hijacked computers that can then be used to pump out spam or launch concerted attacks on commercial or government websites.

    No one from Jinhui Computer System Engineering, the company that developed Green Dam, was available for comment.

    'Naked pig'

    The software has also caused a backlash amongst privacy experts, academics and some Chinese citizens. It has also raised the scorn of the blogosphere inside the country who feel the system is no match for tech-savvy teenagers.
    Every new computer in China will have the software installed

    One blogger posted a screenshot of the software blocking an attempt to visit a porn site using Microsoft's Internet Explorer.
    But, he said, there was no problem accessing the site using the Firefox web browser.

    Others have reported that the system only runs on Microsoft Windows, allowing Mac and Linux users to bypass the software.

    It is thought that at least 3m computer users have already downloaded the software, opening them up to potential security problems.

    Another formal study by the Open Network Initiative into the risks posed by the software is expected soon. However, many people in China who have been forced to use the software are already reporting other problems.

    For example, the system reportedly blocks legitimate as well as banned content. For example, it designed to identify the proportion of skin colour in a picture to determine whether it is pornography.

    But comments on a bulletin board run by the software company that designed the system, suggest the system does not work perfectly.
    Once you've got government-mandated software installed on each machine, the software has the keys to the kingdom
    Professor Jonathan Zittrain

    "I went on the internet to check out some animal photos. A lovely little naked pig was sent onto the black list. Pitiful little pig!," read one comment.

    "I was curious, so I looked up some photos of naked African women. Oh, they were not censored!"

    Another message read: "We were ordered to install the software. So I have to come to this website and curse. After we installed the software, many normal websites are banned."

    The forum was taken down after it was seemingly flooded with complaints. A message on the site said says it is being "upgraded".

    Mr Mao told BBC News that they believed there was a new guideline from the country's central propaganda department "to comb all media and online forums to block critics and discussion over the issue."

    Firewall flaw

    The government may be keen to shut down discussion to quell rumours that the system could be used to monitor its citizens.

    "Once you've got government-mandated software installed on each machine, the software has the keys to the kingdom - anything can be logged or affected," said Professor Jonathan Zittrain, also of Harvard's Berkman Center.



    Virtual police patrol China web

    "While the justification may be pitched as protecting children and mostly concerning pornography, once the architecture is set up it can be used for broader purposes, such as the filtering of political ideas."

    In particular, the system could be used to report citizens' web habits.
    "It creates log file of all of the pages that the users tries to access," Mr Maclay told BBC News.

    "At the moment it's unclear whether that is reported back, but it could be."

    A twitter user in China claims that the software transmits reports to Jinhui - the maker of the software - when the user tries to access blacklisted websites.

    However, Zhang Chenmin, general manager of the developer of Green Dam, told the China Daily newspaper last year: "Our software is simply not capable of spying on internet users, it is only a filter."

    Although many countries around the world routinely block and filter net content, China's regime is regarded as particularly severe.

    "There is no transparency about what they are blocking," said Mr Maclay.

    Free speech campaigners are concerned that the list could be tweaked to suits the government's aims.

    Recently, there has been a web black out across China in advance of the 20th anniversary of the Tiananmen Square massacre.

    Website such as Twitter and the photo-sharing site Flickr were blocked in an attempt by the government to prevent online discussion on the subject.

    However, some users were able to bypass the filters to distribute pictures and commentary including links to photos of plain-clothes policemen blocking the lenses of foreign journalists with their umbrellas.

    The country is able to take action like this because it already has a sophisticated censorship regime, including the so-called Great Firewall of China. However, it is known to have some flaws.

    A 2007 study by US researchers showed that the system was much more porous than previously thought.

    It found that the technology often failed to block content banned by the Chinese government, allowing web users to browse unencumbered at least some of the time.

    Filtering and blocking was "particularly erratic", they said, when large numbers of people were online in China.

    Despite the failures, the researchers said, the idea of the firewall was more effective than the technology at discouraging talk about banned subjects.

    This kind of social pressure was also key to another tactic used by the Chinese government to make sure its citizens only use sanitised portions of the web.

    In 2007, the government introduced virtual policemen that pop-up onscreen when web surfers visit many of China's popular website to remind them to stay away from illicit content.

    In addition, the government expects internet service providers in China to actively monitor and censor published content, such as blogs.

    Experiments have suggested that this approach is hit-and-miss, with some organisations more proactive than others.

    However, these systems, combined with the new software, will allow the Chinese government to sanitise the web for most of the 300m of China's population of 1.3bn have access to the net.

    "I think this is intended as a sort of belt-and-braces approach, said Professor Zittrain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by melvbot
    Unless you're in China and planning to buy one in China I wouldnt even give it a second thought.
    Exactly. Where the computer (hardware) is manufactured is irrelevant. Buy any computer in Thailand and it will come with OS and applications as per Thai norm.

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    Glitches seen in China's web filtering software
    15/06/2009

    The designers of controversial Internet filtering software that China has ordered shipped with all new computers said they were trying to fix security glitches in the programme.


    An internet bar in Beijing. The designers of controversial Internet filtering software that China has ordered shipped with all new computers said they were trying to fix security glitches in the programme

    "Yes we are trying to fix it. But this is normal. Any software has bugs," Bryan Zhang, head of Jinhui Computer System Engineering, told AFP.

    The code problems are the latest blow to the plan to include the filtering software with all PCs sold here from July 1, which has been criticised overseas and even in China as a bid at mass censorship and a threat to personal privacy.

    The government says the Green Dam Youth Escort software is a vital tool needed to prevent young people from having access to pornographic websites.

    Chinese authorities have a history of blocking sites that feature porn or politically unacceptable subjects such as the brutal crackdown on Tiananmen pro-democracy protests in 1989 and the banned spiritual group Falungong.

    Last week, researchers at the University of Michigan who examined the software said it contained serious security vulnerabilities that could allow outside parties to take control of computers running it via remote access.

    It also added that the software's text filter blocked words that included obscenities and phrases considered politically sensitive to China's ruling Communist Party.

    "Other parties can say what they want. But I don't care what they say," Zhang said, declining further comment.

    The Ministry of Industry and Information Technology issued a notice to computer makers saying the software could either be pre-installed or included with PCs on a separate disc, and that users were not required to use it.

    The move received an unusual amount of criticism in the state media last week.

    An online poll by popular Chinese portal Sina.com last week found 81 percent of respondents felt the move threatened their privacy, while nearly 72 percent thought it would be ineffective in keeping youths from viewing pornography.

    China has the world's largest online population at nearly 300 million Web users.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mid
    phrases considered politically sensitive to China's ruling Communist Party.
    Oh my. Must be quite a long list. Commie, pinko, dictatorship, Tibet, Burma, democracy, Tienanmen, corruption, falun, rebellion, demonstration, etc, etc.

    Hey look what I found!

    List of words censored by search engines in the People's Republic of China - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    China clarifies web filter plans

    China clarifies web filter plans


    The cartoon Green Dam Girl has been used to mock the filtering plan.

    Protests have forced China to clarify whether net-filtering software has to be used on every new PC.

    From July, every PC sold in China was supposed to be supplied with the Green Dam Youth Escort software.

    The software was created to stop people looking at "offensive" content such as pornographic or violent websites.

    But widespread disapproval inside China, legal challenges and overseas criticism have forced the Chinese government to clarify its policy.

    "The use of this software is not compulsory," an official with China's Ministry of Industry and Information Technology (MIIT) told the AP news wire.

    The state agency that created Green Dam has said it was possible to uninstall the program. But it was unclear whether those that did so would face prosecution.

    In its ruling this week, China said anyone removing or refusing to use it would not face official sanction.

    Risky proposition
    The change comes thanks to growing criticism from Chinese people about Green Dam. A legal challenge has been filed to MIIT demanding a public debate on the legitimacy of making computer firms put the software on PCs.

    Petitions calling for Green Dam to be scrapped have circulated widely and analysis shows that it does a piecemeal job of stopping pornographic sites and inadvertently blocks sites dealing with sexual health issues.

    A website set up to challenge Green Dam has gathered tens of thousands of comments from those who say the filtering system is crude and blocks many legitimate sites.

    The China Daily newspaper, which typically backs the government, has written stories critical of the filtering policy and reported that many PC makers were refusing to install it.

    Some critics have drawn a manga-style cartoon of Green Dam Girl to mock the software's aims.

    China has the largest net-using population in the world and many have turned to the web to publicise issues such as corruption that would otherwise go unreported.

    Tests carried out on Green Dam outside China also showed that it left PCs open to many different security risks.

    Analysis by Scott Wolchok, Randy Yao, and J. Alex Halderman at the University of Michigan found weaknesses in the URL, text and image filtering system and vulnerabilities in the software that makes machines susceptible to being hijacked.

    "Green Dam makes frequent use of unsafe and outdated programming practices that likely introduce numerous other vulnerabilities," they wrote in a paper placed online.


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    Govt delays order on porn filter software
    Cui Xiaohuo, Wang Xing and Cui Jia
    01-07-2009

    In a last-minute move, the government said last night that it will delay the mandatory installation of the controversial "Green Dam-Youth Escort" filtering software on new computers that was scheduled to start today.

    The Ministry of Industry and Information Technology (MIIT), which oversees the software installation, told Xinhua News Agency that the delay came after "some computer producers said such a massive installation demanded extra time".

    It did not set a date for when the order to install the software would come into force.

    But the ministry will continue to provide free downloads of the software and equip school and Internet bar computers with it, said a spokesman for MIIT.

    The ministry reiterated yesterday that the software is designed to block violence and pornographic content on the Internet to protect minors but users have repeatedly raised concerns about invasion of privacy.

    "I would certainly not like such a program installed on my new PC," said a 30-year-old art researcher, as he scrolled through the news item published by major news portal Sina.com last night at an Internet bar in Beijing's Chaoyang district.

    "I assume the move is a result of mounting pressure in recent days," he added, without revealing his real name.

    In the interview with Xinhua, the MIIT defended the filtering software as "an act for public good" and said it "conforms to WTO rules".

    The ministry held some foreign media and groups responsible for "untrue reports" about the software, which they described it as "spyware" that hinders freedom of online access.

    The ministry also said that if any copyright dispute were to arise, the issue would be dealt with according to the law.

    California-based Solid Oak claims the Green Dam has ripped off its CyberSitter software and it has threatened action in China.

    Neither of the two developers of the filter - which cost the government 417 million yuan ($60 million) - was available for comment last night.

    Domestic and overseas PC makers have voiced concern about the short notice given to them for the software installation as well as security loopholes which could be exploited by hackers.

    Manufacturers in China including Hewlett-Packard, Dell and Sony did not respond immediately to the MIIT decision.

    Chinese maker Lenovo said last night it has "not been informed on the issue".

    Sony has reportedly begun shipping personal computers equipped with Green Dam which include a disclaimer that the company is not responsible for damage from the software.

    "The delay is not a surprise. Web users in China have been calling for it all along," said Lu Benfu, director of the Internet Development Research Center affiliated to the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences.

    Lu said there might be three reasons behind the MITT's "second thoughts".

    One is the filter software's technical loopholes had not been plugged; the bid process for the software was not transparent enough; and the online community has been concerned with privacy and legal rights.

    "The product itself is not mature," said Fang Binxing, a well-known Internet expert.

    "So, now should be the time for trials, not mandatory installation and wide use of it There is no need for the authorities to take extreme action."

    The president of the Beijing University of Posts and Telecommunications suggested that authorities work with the developers to decide the best option for the filtering software.

    Public hearings should be held to determine the rights of the citizens, said Lu.

    Last week, US Commerce Secretary Gary Locke and US Trade Representative Ron Kirk said the software rule may violate World Trade Organization regulations.

    Yesterday in Beijing, the European Chamber of Commerce said the software mandate "poses significant questions in relation to security, privacy, system reliability, the free flow of information and user choice".

    Some Chinese web users had called for a boycott of all online activities today, before the announcement of the installation delay.

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