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06-06-2008, 06:27 AM
mrsquirrel

Fucking hell.

CMN if you install Ubuntu over your windows partition you will lose everything on it.
If you have a separate partition else where with your music on you won't lose it.

You can't install Ubuntu on the windows drive and keep the files on there. It doesn't work like that.

Keep the 40GB parition with your music on for now.

Options are

1. Install ubuntu over your windows losing all the files on it but having already moved the ones you want to another partition (if it's NTFS you then have to fanny about getting the read write permissions in linux to work) or DVD they are safe.
Se the other partition as your home partition.
2. Install Ubuntu over your fedora partition. set the one with your files in as your /home and leave the windows one there for whatever reason you want to keep it.
3. Back everything up to DVD that you want. run the Ubuntu disk. follow the instructions for installing it, allow it to erase everything and start from scratch. set up a 10gb (NickA says 20 but I've only every used a 10GB and been happy enough up to you though) partition for Ubuntu and the rest for for /home. Then copy all your files back to your /home
4. Do nothing leave it as it is and get back to digging your pond you lazy sod

NOTE: When you set your /home folder and set it as a drive REMEMBER to uncheck or check the little radio button that says DO NOT FORMAT or the files will be lost
06-06-2008, 07:11 AM
NickA

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Originally Posted by mrsquirrel

set up a 10gb (NickA says 20 but I've only every used a 10GB and been happy enough up to you though)

My current root partition is using up 15 GB, so at least 20 GB to be safe. Mine is actually 30 GB, but that is probably a bit too big.
06-06-2008, 08:23 AM
mrsquirrel

^ 20 it is then.

I can forsee a disaster coming though.
06-06-2008, 08:41 AM
friscofrankie

^^What the fuck do you have installed on your system?

Code:

Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on /dev/sda1 11535344 4603828 6345548 43% / /dev/sda3 28834744 2415932 24954088 9% /usr/local /dev/sda5 265372524 97333580 154558808 39% /home /dev/sdb5 240362624 113774144 114378684 50% /home/shared

I separated /usr/local so I can completely change my OS without disturbing my applications. I recently formatted the "/" and did a complete install of a more recent version, keeping my desktop, menus and applications intact. I can

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forsee a disaster coming though.

Why? a too big partition is much better than a too small one for sure.
Too small and you are fucked if you use it all. /home gets too small you can always add a disk and mount to a directory under /home/
06-06-2008, 08:44 AM
NickA

^it's probably because I have gnome, KDE3 and KDE4 installed. I never use gnome, but I like to keep it just in case KDE fucks up. Also, I use some gnome apps and can't be arsed to filter out what I never use.
06-06-2008, 08:54 AM
friscofrankie

My laptop has KDE3 & 4 Gnome, and a whole ton of other shit, Like MySQL, Apache, PHP5, Full Java Dev environment, several other dev environments and only uses about 5GB. This includes /usr/local files as well.
15GB? I'd say you've got about 8 - 10Gb of Garbage
06-06-2008, 12:47 PM
Marmite the Dog

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Originally Posted by friscofrankie

I'd say you've got about 8 - 10Gb of Garbage

I reckon Xzyte has hacked into his PC and stores all of KW's posts on it.
06-06-2008, 01:02 PM
NickA

^3000 installed packages... I don't ever think of getting rid of anything because the partition is only half full. A few games in there as well.
06-06-2008, 01:56 PM
friscofrankie

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Originally Posted by NickA

3000 installed packages...

You are going to be one of those old people that have stacks of magazines, newspapers, Sunday shopper hand outs and fliers throughout their house so you can hardly navigate through aren't you?
06-06-2008, 07:39 PM
Wallalai

I have 10Gig only for my "/ " partition, but only using Gnome Desktop.

https://teakdoor.com/Gallery/albums/u...0649/files.jpg
06-06-2008, 08:08 PM
Butterfly

68MB for the boot partition seems a bit excessive unless you are planning to run multiple kernel version at boot time,
06-06-2008, 08:56 PM
Wallalai

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Originally Posted by Butterfly

68MB for the boot partition seems a bit excessive unless you are planning to run multiple kernel version at boot time,

Exactly what I'm planning to do, I'll compile one or more custom kernels. :) And 65MB of a 160GB harddisk is negligeable.
06-06-2008, 10:04 PM
mrsquirrel

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Originally Posted by friscofrankie

Why? a too big partition is much better than a too small one for sure. Too small and you are fucked if you use it all. /home gets too small you can always add a disk and mount to a directory under /home/

If CMN is left to his own devices he will manage to erase his files. He might succesfully make a /home though where they used to be.
06-06-2008, 11:09 PM
NickA

Sheesh, sometimes I wonder if this Linux thing might be too difficult for CMN. Sometimes it's too difficult for me. Spent an hour or so working out why I couldn't use the lastest 2 kernels... my home and swap weren't being mounted on boot... appears you now have to use UUID instead of names, but my drives now show up as /sda rather than /hda:confused:

....and fuck me if I can't get Cinelerra working, which I managed to install before after some difficulties... now it's in a repository and installs easily, but doesn't feking work:(
06-06-2008, 11:50 PM
friscofrankie

^download source, configure, and after you've found all the libs you need, make.
On my Suse Laptop I was having fits getting PHP to compile with IMAP support finally got pissed off , removed the "packages" for SSL, kerberos, IMAP and several other support libs; taking a few other applications with it.
After stripping down the OS downloading source and compiling the support files and libs, I was then able to compile and run the sources that I used to set up my dev box. Now, while not mirrored, they are very similar and work out of hte house is not a pain in the ass.

Cinelerra is a complex application with many dependencies, I compiled it on my Slackware box but took the time to read the README file and resolve dependencies before compiling. This took a good deal of time but once compiled it ran flawlessly. Was a hell of a lot more than I needed or wanted and I removed it, but, that's a different story. With packaged software you are relying on someone else to resolve all dependencies for you and ensure they are checked and downloaded for you. Compiling, in some cases, is far more reliable and easier. I

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Originally Posted by NickA

but my drives now show up as /sda rather than /hda

you bought a new mother board with SATA drives where before you had IDE right?
07-06-2008, 12:05 AM
NickA

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Originally Posted by friscofrankie

you bought a new mother board with SATA drives where before you had IDE right?

The motherboard has SATA connectors, but my hard drive is still connected through an IDE connection:confused:

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Originally Posted by friscofrankie

Cinelerra is a complex application with many dependencies, I compiled it on my Slackware box but took the time to read the README file and resolve dependencies before compiling.

In fact all the dependencies are met and it installs fine. But for some reason something called libfaad2 is a dummy package linking to libfaad0. I need to get the "real" libfaad-2.0_2.5, but I can't find it anywhere.

The annoying thing here is that I had it up and running before and then it must have got broken during an upgrade.
07-06-2008, 01:25 AM
lom

^ Good luck, Linux is simple to use and maintain. Anyone can master it.:rolleyes:
07-06-2008, 10:01 AM
NickA

^about the same as windows I would say (see all the threads about updates).... the difference is that when linux goes wrong you feel you are fiddling about with the engine of an old loved car, with windows it's like taking your 1 month old Ford Escort back to the garage:)

Funny thing is I run some windows games (WoW) and there are forums full of windows users having problems and crashes, but it runs without any problems on linux.
07-06-2008, 12:11 PM
Wallalai

Quote:

Originally Posted by NickA

In fact all the dependencies are met and it installs fine. But for some reason something called libfaad2 is a dummy package linking to libfaad0. I need to get the "real" libfaad-2.0_2.5, but I can't find it anywhere.

According to my search:

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ibfaad2_0 - Freeware Advanced Audio Decoder shared library
FAAD 2 is a LC, MAIN and LTP profile, MPEG2 and MPEG-4 AAC decoder, completely written from scratch. FAAD 2 is licensed under the GPL.

This package contains the shared library needed by programs linked to libfaad.

Version : 2.6.1-1plf2008.1
Version actuellement installée : 2.6.1-1plf2008.1
Architecture : i586
Taille : 255 Ko
Média : Aucun (installé)

And the pkg contains:

‎/usr/lib/libfaad.so.0
/usr/lib/libfaad.so.0.0.0

Cinelerra works here and I've only:

Code:

[wallalai[at]laptop ~]$ locate libfaad /usr/lib/libfaad.so.0 /usr/lib/libfaad.so.0.0.0 /usr/lib/vlc/codec/libfaad_plugin.so
09-06-2008, 08:40 AM
ChiangMai noon

I'm about ready to eliminate windows and get all ubuntu'd up.

see you on the dark side.
09-06-2008, 09:23 AM
Butterfly

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Originally Posted by friscofrankie

With packaged software you are relying on someone else to resolve all dependencies for you and ensure they are checked and downloaded for you. Compiling, in some cases, is far more reliable and easier

Agree, and spoken like a real man, that's how it should be done in Linux. Those package managers are for fags and should be declared illegal :)

Never had a problem compiling manually a package, it's really that's easy. Compiling a dependency is also a no brainer, and most package have a high tolerance for compatibility.
09-06-2008, 10:12 AM
NickA

^Bullshit, every so often I compile a package, but 95% of the time the package manager does the job well enough.
09-06-2008, 10:22 AM
Butterfly

^ 95% ? why bother then when you can have 100% with the manual compilation.

My biggest problem with Package managers is the lack of options for compiling, and the issues with downloading and installing multiple version of the same lib on your system. Some can't resolve correctly the complexity behind dependencies.
09-06-2008, 11:48 AM
NickA

^OK, you talk CMN through manually compiling his software, I'll teach him how to use a package manager.
09-06-2008, 12:06 PM
friscofrankie

I've mentioned using a separate partition for /usr/local to install apps, this coupled with a /home part make my systems quite flexible when it comes to OS or application upgrades.

I have yet to see a package manger that installs applications or libraries under /usr/local/ they will usually mix them up under /usr, with libs in /usr/lib and executables under /usr/bin. maybe some apps will go under the /opt directory tree. Odd when you think most application sources you download default to installing under the /usr/local tree.

Package manager are ok for the inexperienced or desktop user. I would image that HD bloat and redundant installationb of libs are just one symptom of packages. I don;t necessarily think Compiling a great thing but it does test dependency functions not just that the name is registered. if these linux distros with the sooper-dooper package mangers can build a decent manager that checks for dependency functionality and allows for custom installation I'd use the fuckin thing. It is a lot easier that configure, make, make install.

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