Thread: Linux Ubuntu going over to the dark side

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You can DL Ubuntu and Kbuntu DVD's as well

Originally Posted by friscofrankie

you gonna turn in all your blue shirts?

No, but I have finally found a use for linux , linuxmce.
(thanks MrsQ for the link in another thread)

You know, I'm not the guy who believe that one get a higher computing satisfaction just by changing the opsys.
After all, the application is king and the opsys is only it's servant.
Linux shines in server applications, but I see no merit in changing from windows into "just another windows look-alike" with "almost" 100% compatible alternative programs, just for the sake of changing.

You mentioned in another thread that MS at least ought to have some killer application. They don't need it - they have the bread and butter programs that has become standard, and they have the userbase.
It is linux, if it wants to compete with MS Win, that needs the killer app.

So Linuxmce is a good reason for me to install ubuntu.
I'm a bit disappointed though that it only runs under (k)ubuntu, I was never given the possibility to choose from the wide flora of distros

What is Linuxmce?

Originally Posted by lom

You know, I'm not the guy who believe that one get a higher computing satisfaction just by changing the opsys.
After all, the application is king and the opsys is only it's servant.
Linux shines in server applications, but I see no merit in changing from windows into "just another windows look-alike" with "almost" 100% compatible alternative programs, just for the sake of changing.

lom

I tend to agree, with that said I was cleaning up a little the other day and noted the number of 'auto' updates for security patches from MS. I've always believed that MS sold half built products because the could. No other company in the world could get away with it. Can you imagine buying a Volvo and they send you one wheel in a month, another in the second month and 2 more several months later? Oh, yeah that new whiz bang anti-lock braking system that is guaranteed for life will be delayed two years.

My XP is so bloated its almost unmanageable. At least when and if I install Linux at least it will be my problem and not someone in Redmond. I am not too bad at sorting out my problems, puts the pressure in so-to-speak.

The Fedora 7 looks like its fairly simple and is the test bed, I understand, for some of the Red Hat development so it should be very stable.

Will be fun to try it after a little study so I actually know what I want.

E. G.

Originally Posted by mrsquirrel

What is Linuxmce?

Sorry, kudos to butterfly and not to you

https://teakdoor.com/computer-news/14349-mediabox-winmce-vs-linuxmce.html?highlight=linuxmce

Originally Posted by lom

You know, I'm not the guy who believe that one get a higher computing satisfaction just by changing the opsys. After all, the application is king and the opsys is only it's servant. Linux shines in server applications, but I see no merit in changing from windows into "just another windows look-alike" with "almost" 100% compatible alternative programs, just for the sake of changing

You pay for your software? Or has MS's business practices forced you to become a thief? There are many reasons to change. Security, MS is just plain unsafe out of the box. Intheir infinite wisdom, MS decided to add a nagging "firewall" Patches every oteh week no release has been worth a fuck out of the box since WinNT 3.1 3.51 was out a few months later right? They release expensive software that is unstable and full of holes. Only their team can work on fixing it.

I use a computer to get work done. after years of spendig my time hacking install and management routines for larger corporation I tend to want to install it and forget it. I have absolutely no real reason to use any windows specific application so why should I have to put up with it?

I agree with you, I think getting an OS and sticking with it is a good idea until the OS becomes either too expensive or the upgrades so unwieldy it no longer is viable. (guess you also discovered the expense factor when trying to locate a cracked version of MCE, eh?) IBM was big on proprietary software & hardware (good ol' "Big Blue") until they become no longer economically viable.

MS has fostered the whole new idea of 'win' hardware this actually has brought prices for some items down, until you realize it has strengthened microsoft's choke hold on the desk top is that really economical? To be reliant on one vendor for all your desktop needs?. The so-called win-modem is a prime example, much less efficient and adaptable to a real old time Hayes compatible modem. Even in windows, it hardly works at the efficiency it should (there are libraries that will allow you run these on Linux, BTW).

99% of the folks on this forum and in the world can get by with any OS out there. Watch a movie, listen to some music while surfing the net write an e-mail to aunt matilda, maybe crunch some spreadsheet data, manage personal data or photo albums, write a book. any of the major OSes support software that will handle these tasks. OSS does this on less hardware, with no intrusion of licensing call-back and it does it for FREE, No need to find the latest cracked key code or hope MS doesn't crack the crack and cripple your system, no more paying $$$ for a simple office suite.

For home users and many (most) office users the old "support" argument is out the window, You spend good money on software and then MS thumbs its nose at you when you need help, unless you buy into their super premium licensing scheme. Linux help is out there, appllication help is out there. Go to MS's support website, lord knows I've spent years going over it. The information is there, some good but too much "cover our ass type" of half information that is less than helpful.

As EG said, Windows has become so bloated, maintenance intensive and intrusive as be a royal pain in the ass. The MS fellas have developed this "I am king see me roar" kind of attitude and are getting bolder and bolder and acting counter to specifications charge more adn more outlandish prices providing more obese and semi fucntional products.

It might be time to change your OS just to get legal, stop worrying about every PFY with a macro editor, and having your computer report to base every fucking day whether you want it to or not. Microsoft has shot itself in the foot with all the above crap and I believe there is now a very good and viable reason to switch OS, unless you absolutely need some Windoze specific app, and for the life of me, I can't think of one.

Originally Posted by mrsquirrel

If you can get the wireless netowrorking going give me a shout.

Drove me to distraction trying to get it to connect. Fucking thing could see my interface but it wouldn't bloody access the internet. Nothing worked.

I'd bet your wireless interface is a windows only one, biggest culprit is Belkin, it's possible to get them to work under linux but you need to get your hands on a proprietary firmware image. What's the output from typing "iwconfig" and "iwlist scanning" at a root prompt?

Originally Posted by DrB0b

I'd bet your wireless interface is a windows only one, biggest culprit is Belkin, it's possible to get them to work under linux but you need to get your hands on a proprietary firmware image. What's the output from typing "iwconfig" and "iwlist scanning" at a root prompt?

Nah Intel one built into my Thinkpad.

Works great under SuSE just not under Ubuntu/KUbuntu.

Originally Posted by friscofrankie

OS, unless you absolutely need some Windoze specific app, and for the life of me, I can't think of one.

Adobe Illustrator (Windoze and Mac, admittedly).

Three vector drawing programs for Linux:
I rarely use the stuff have no Idea on how any of them compare.
Inkscape. Draw Freely.
Skencil, a vector drawing program
The KOffice Project - Karbon14
Open Office has one and there is one other under development, think it's still kind of rough though
Open Source Xara Xtreme - Open-source graphics software

But all the files I have are Photoshop or Illustrator. Would I be able to open them in the Linux apps?

Originally Posted by friscofrankie

I know at least one of them open .ai files and I opened a .psd in the gimp the other day snippet from Xara:

Thanks Dad.

Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog

Adobe Illustrator (Windoze and Mac, admittedly).

Photoshop CS and Illustrator can be ran in Linux

I told you that a week or so ago you ignored it cause you likt to repeat yourself and try and be funny.

Originally Posted by mrsquirrel

I told you that a week or so ago you ignored it cause you likt to repeat yourself and try and be funny.

I thought you said you needed to run an emulator?

true

still work thar