Thread: Apple's Frivolous Patent Bullying tactics doing it no favours

Originally Posted by hazz

marketing

shhht, don't tell him, let him dance first for a while

Originally Posted by Cthulhu

Originally Posted by hazz

The same way that McDonald's became one of the biggest retailers of fast food in the world. marketing and McDonald's I don't think the quality of their food had anything to do with it.

Thanks for helping out butterfly. He was really lost.

Marketing, uh ... huh...

Microsoft spends 6x more on marketing than Apple. What happened?

MacDonalds' sells convenience, so you are close.

Macdonalds sell you shit that will put you in an early grave, they market it well. Apple are very much the same, except it's more assembling their products that will kill you.

Just an unpleasant aggressive company, that thinks the world owes it a living.... As its patent behaviour is demonstrating

So, now when it's down to brass tacks, you guys are just reduced to misrepresentations, lies, and desperate claims? Glad we have that settled.

"... assembling their products will kill you ..." - seriously, do you even bother vetting the crap you write? WTF are you talking about??

"... Any difference in market share cannot be put down to Apple being a better product ..." - really desperate, aren't you?

^^ I won't give you one of drbobs google wank screen shots. But if ouare to do a search on google using a mix of the following keywords, you will find out that people are just dying to get those nice shiny apple products to you.

Apple, workers, health, death, suicide, hexane

Originally Posted by hazz

^^ I won't give you one of drbobs google wank screen shots. But if ouare to do a search on google using a mix of the following keywords, you will find out that people are just dying to get those nice shiny apple products to you.

Apple, workers, health, death, suicide, hexane

How about you familiarize yourself with some facts, first?

In your "search terms" replace "Apple" with "Dell" or "Acer" or "Sony" - in other words, these are the same factories, assembly lines and workers that assemble *every* big brand electronic item.

Well, actually, let me correct that - the crappy cheap PCs and plastic tablets so highly extolled by some on this thread are manufactured by different companies in China, under far, far worse conditions, but I bet that's a "business reality" you'd rather not deal with.

Furthermore, Apple is also the only company that regularly, and at length, inspects its supply chain for violations, corrects them, and lists what they found (and corrected) publicly on their site. No other manufacturer actually gives a crap (and neither do you, it seems, unless it's something you can pin on Apple).

Additionally, Foxconn pays the highest salary in China for such workers, and has just gone through multiple raises that Apple encouraged. Foxconn also paid the highest death benefits of any company in China, which was behind their suicide incidents - because the suicides stopped when Foxconn discontinued the death benefits. Odd, that.

Finally, how about you using the magic of Google to look up the name "Mike Daisy" and learn why and how he lst his honorary degree? Let's just say, count yourself lucky you don't have an honorary degree.

Originally Posted by Cthulhu

Originally Posted by Koojo

I don't give a fuck, just educating you to the realities of the business world.

I understand that you are probably so jaded tat it is up fathomable to you that a business actually intends, and succeeds, in producing a high-quality product.

Your stated assertion that you won't even consider the possibility of such, shows your bias, your agenda, and that whatever business you might be involved in, I certainly am not interested in your products, as you just confirmed that quality would not be your concern.

I said nothing of the sort.
I said that good/bad quality is not the reason Apple has such a high market share.
The reason is marketing.
How much are Apple paying you by the way?
A regular consumer doesn't have this level of emotional investment in a product unless they're getting paid, or maybe you're just a nutter.

Originally Posted by Koojo

I said nothing of the sort.
I said that good/bad quality is not the reason Apple has such a high market share.
The reason is marketing.

So, you agree then that Apple *is* producing high-quality products - the point is, of course good marketing contributes to the marketing becoming aware of a product, and initially purchasing it. This explains big opening weekends for crappy movies.

Nevertheless, good (even excellent) marketing can not sustain a shitty product - witness the movie metaphor, where word-of-mouth for a crappy movie can result in a box office drop-off of 80% or more in the second weekend.

If Apple were making crappy products, they could still initially sell them because they employ excellent marketing - yet if customers were not satisfied by the product or the customer service, Apple would suffer huge product return rates, and subsequent product revisions would experience diminishing sales.

This is not the case.

Albeit, ironically, that is exactly what is happening in the case of most Android tablets (resellers clocking in up to 80% return rates) and higher than average return rates for Android phones (not 80%, obviously, as that would be ridiculous - the 30%-40% bandied about at some point was highly doubtful. The real number is more than likely around 15%-20% ) (of course, iPhone return rates are at 1.7%. Hard to argue with quality, I guess.)

Originally Posted by Koojo

How much are Apple paying you by the way?

You keep repeating yourself, you realize that? You do understand that most intelligent people are perfectly capable of seeing your question the first time, and answering it - though I do understand that might not be a demographic you are familiar with, judging by our conversation.

Originally Posted by Koojo

A regular consumer doesn't have this level of emotional investment in a product unless they're getting paid, or maybe you're just a nutter.

Hmmm, so you say - sad, bitter, curmudgeon who holds absolutely no passion for anything in life. Sad. Really.

Originally Posted by Cthulhu

Originally Posted by Koojo

I said nothing of the sort.
I said that good/bad quality is not the reason Apple has such a high market share.
The reason is marketing.

So, you agree then that Apple *is* producing high-quality products - .

Are you stupid?
I don't agree anything of the sort.
If you can read I said good or bad, quality is irrelevant, because it's the marketing that does the job, not the quality.
Just as another poster pointed out, macdonalds sells shit food but has a high market penetration in the junkfood market.

Okay, so leaving aside the marketing aspect - which we can agree all manufacturers employ, but Apple excels at -- would you agree or disagree that Apple products are of high quality, then?

If so, how and why do you agree and disagree?

The point is quite simple - you get initial sales from marketing, but you get repeat sales and new customers by delivering a product that satisfies your consumers enough to want not just the next one, but also others from your product line.

In the case of MacDonald's, they deliver convenience and consistency.

What does Apple deliver (bearing in mind that their sales and market size not only goes way beyond fanboy status, by now, but it also places curmudgeons like yourselves in an ever shrinking minority...)

Originally Posted by Koojo

Are you stupid?

As for your seminal question, no I'm not... though I am starting to believe that you must be, for spending hours of your time, tilting at windmills, on an internet forum.

I believe someone said once that such behavior makes you an "obsessive nutcase", or words to that effect? You might want to watch your obsessive behavior.

Originally Posted by Cthulhu

Okay, so leaving aside the marketing aspect - which we can agree all manufacturers employ, but Apple excels at -- would you agree or disagree that Apple products are of high quality.

No idea.
The problem with apple is their products are not comptable with non apple devices.

Originally Posted by Koojo

Originally Posted by Cthulhu

Okay, so leaving aside the marketing aspect - which we can agree all manufacturers employ, but Apple excels at -- would you agree or disagree that Apple products are of high quality.

No idea.
The problem with apple is their products are not comptable with non apple devices.

That comes as a surprise to me and many others - as compatibility of tons of non-Apple devices is baked into the OS.

- my Samsung printer, upon being plugged in, the OS informs me that it wants to download drivers, does so automatically, and upon completion the printer is ready and prints.

- my Logitech HD cam just works right away and is recognized without any need of a driver by any video applications.

- my Logitech USB speakers work right away after being plugged in.

- my Canon scanner, works right away, without needing any drivers, and is recognized by any software that is capable of scanning or acquiring images.

- my Canon digital camera, same thing. Plug it in, and iPhoto launches, sees all the pictures, and can work on them. Ditto any image supporting apps.

- my Fuji 3D camera. Same thing. No drivers needed.

- ditto or any external USB drives, USB adapters, SDCard adapters.... So far, when I come across a device that is not supported OOTB, it is more an exception than anything else.

Oh, and as for iPhones and iPads - aside from working on Macs and PCs, but they print to the same printers, via Bluetooth can work with any wireless car kits and headphones, and will work fine with any external Bluetooth keyboards, even those not made by Apple.

What else?

So, based on those facts, it seems to me that you are arguing without actually knowing what you are talking about. You do realize that Macs no longer have tiny 9" black/white screens, right?

Funny how quiet Koojo got.



That's from 1985. Things have changed. A little.

Originally Posted by Cthulhu

Funny how quiet Koojo got.

Still waiting to hear how much you get paid for this.

^^

The avatar says "hetero", but the post screams "GAY!!!"

Originally Posted by Koojo

Still waiting to hear how much you get paid for this.

You can't be illiterate, because you demonstrate being able to read and write, so maybe you don't pay attention, since I already answered your question several times - though nice to see that you confirm being an obsessive nutcase (I believe thats the term you used to describe your behavior, yes?)

That said, you sure get awfully quiet about it when I explained and demonstrated how little you know about what you are talking about (ie you are continuously factually wrong). I sure wonder how much you would go on about it if I were factually wrong about something you are passionate about (but we also already established that there is no such thing and that you lead a boring, dispassionate life if it weren't for alcohol, hookers or footie - items you feel are meaningful, no doubt).

(Oh, hint: "nothing")

Originally Posted by Cthulhu

Originally Posted by Koojo

Still waiting to hear how much you get paid for this.

You can't be illiterate, because you demonstrate being able to read and write, so maybe you don't pay attention, since I already answered your question several times

You said billions.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Just a shame the Syrian isn't around still telling people "you're holding it wrong" and giving out free rubber cases to cover up their fucking howlers.

Wasn't that because when designing the iphone 4 with its outer case as the aerial.... they forgot that people would hold the dam thing and become part of the aerial, thus detuning it

Originally Posted by Koojo

Originally Posted by Cthulhu

Originally Posted by Koojo

Still waiting to hear how much you get paid for this.

You can't be illiterate, because you demonstrate being able to read and write, so maybe you don't pay attention, since I already answered your question several times

You said billions.

So, he can be taught! Hallelujah!