Teakdoors stock portfolio

**Rattanaburi** · 12-07-2008, 08:48 PM

^Spin how about paying half the imaginary money you lose on this game. If you don't lose, you don't pay. I wonder what DD would think about this? You have to set an end date to this though. It could be costly if you are wrong.

bkkandrew · 12-07-2008, 11:18 PM

Originally Posted by Spin

^ Butts knows his shit and i reckon he does better than ok. Oil is a confusing one for sure. For instance can you tell me why Exxon stock is only 10 dollars or so more than it was a year ago even though the price of their main product has doubled?

Exxon, along with all the oil majors, face spiralling costs to go with their spiralling prices. Happy days for their employees, subbies, suppliers, sovereign Governments granting licences etc., etc.

As for Butt, my jury is out!

**Spin** · 12-07-2008, 11:37 PM

Originally Posted by Rattanaburi

Spin how about paying half the imaginary money you lose on this game

Quick reality check for you, go back to post 37 and look at the 4100$ profit that has already been taken off the table. Now consider that there are stop loss orders in place to protect total profit at 6000$.

So the minimum profit at the end of this excersise is 6000$, there will be no losses!

You didnt really think I would come on here and put myself in a position where i could possibly be shown to lose money, so that everyone and his brother could rip the piss out of me? No chance!

Originally Posted by bkkandrew

Exxon, along with all the oil majors, face spiralling costs to go with their spiralling prices.

Ok, I see, I never see that mentioned anytime the price of oil goes up though, its always this rocket has been fired in Iran or its the traders to blame, etc etc etc. Maybe I need to read more on the topic

**lannarebirth** · 12-07-2008, 11:39 PM

Anyone do Time and Cycles work here? Market Geometry? I trade front month S&P futures mostly. Gotta love the volatility.

**Spin** · 12-07-2008, 11:43 PM

^ Not me, I'm just coming to grips with technical analysis. Just sorting out the bollinger from the Moet at the moment

Hows it going for you? Are you turning a profit in these troubled waters?

**Spin** · 12-07-2008, 11:46 PM

Originally Posted by lannarebirth

Time and Cycles work here? Market Geometry?

So whats that about then?

**dirtydog** · 13-07-2008, 12:10 AM

Originally Posted by hillbilly

I have to admit, that I love this thread. Often I think of myself as this Wall Street tycoon making money hand over fist.

hmm, 20 odd years ago I bought into a software company, the company is still trading, now by rights I should be a multimillionare in most currencies and living on the beach in some high end country, trouble is I bought into the only crap software company in the world, alphanumeric is the name, these foking gits have never made a good bit of software in their lives, 20 odd years waiting for them to make something worthwhile, bstards should all be shot

**lannarebirth** · 13-07-2008, 12:20 AM

Originally Posted by Spin

^ Not me, I'm just coming to grips with technical analysis. Just sorting out the bollinger from the Moet at the moment

Hows it going for you? Are you turning a profit in these troubled waters?

It's been an extremely good year for me. 500% better than last year which was a pretty good year. I'm a bear at heart.

**lannarebirth** · 13-07-2008, 12:23 AM

Originally Posted by Spin

Originally Posted by lannarebirth

Time and Cycles work here? Market Geometry?

So whats that about then?

More to do with timing changes in trend using golden sections, fib, gann methods. Not that interesed in price.

bkkandrew · 13-07-2008, 01:06 AM

Teakdoors stock portfolio13-07-2008 12:32 AMButterflydon't be silly, you are a day trader trying to push your BS

His arguments don't make sense, so he retires from debate to just had out reds to those who actually know their subject...

Baby, toys, pram. I guess you got away with being able to spout unchallenged nonsense for 9K posts prior to my arrival? And now you are sore that has come to an end....

**Butterfly** · 13-07-2008, 01:13 AM

^ LOL, you got to be joking, you are ignorant, keep posting senseless news to make some obscure point, and keep predicting the end of days, and then claim to be some kind of god predicting all things financial,

you are obviously not serious, and I take you as such. Why should I debate you when you can't even add 2+2

**Butterfly** · 13-07-2008, 01:18 AM

Originally Posted by Spin

Pay attention! I sold the first Solar shares in post 37 for 4100$ profit as it had a great run up so I took the money and ran!

ok I am too lazy to go back, could you detail your virtual trades here and see what we are getting really ? it feels like you are double counting, unrealized gains on shares you have already sold, surely this is not the case

bkkandrew · 13-07-2008, 01:29 AM

Originally Posted by Butterfly

^ LOL, you got to be joking, you are ignorant, keep posting senseless news to make some obscure point, and keep predicting the end of days, and then claim to be some kind of god predicting all things financial,

you are obviously not serious, and I take you as such. Why should I debate you when you can't even add 2+2

I'll take that as a 'yes' to my point of you being sore that you cannot get away with talking nonsense on financial matters on this forum any more...

I also note you have abandoned the threads that your arguments have been shown to be wrong. If you wish, you could challenge this and I can then post the links.

Or you could simply stop digging the hole.

bkkandrew · 13-07-2008, 01:30 AM

Originally Posted by Butterfly

I am too lazy

This might be a clue...

**Butterfly** · 13-07-2008, 01:37 AM

Originally Posted by bkkandrew

If you wish, you could challenge this and I can then post the links.

Please do, I love having online stalkers. I think you are reading a bit too far between the lines, and I am suspecting now that you are a full blown psycho.

Originally Posted by bkkandrew

Or you could simply stop digging the hole.

I have learn a long time ago that arguing with children is a bit pointless. Keep talking.

bkkandrew · 13-07-2008, 01:40 AM

Originally Posted by Butterfly

I love having online stalkers. I think you are reading a bit too far between the lines, and I am suspecting now that you are a full blown psycho.

Bingo! Lose the argument, call the winner a stalker, psycho, or even a full blown one. That'll work.

**Butterfly** · 13-07-2008, 01:42 AM

^ waiting for you to post all the links about me losing an argument

all talk and bs as usual ?

bkkandrew · 13-07-2008, 01:48 AM

Originally Posted by Butterfly

Originally Posted by bkkandrew

If you wish, you could challenge this and I can then post the links.

Please do

OK:

https://teakdoor.com/issues/31530-oil...nomy-spur.html

https://teakdoor.com/issues/27235-som...de-oil-16.html

Can post more, but wish to go to bed.

**Spin** · 13-07-2008, 02:53 AM

Originally Posted by Butterfly

ok I am too lazy to go back

But not too lazy to carry on some off topic argument on my thread?

**Spin** · 13-07-2008, 03:18 AM

Lets have an end of week recap so any slow or lazy folks can follow these procedings

Heres how things looked at the end of Monday, notice we have stocks in 5 different companies

Just after that post some cockend appeared and added this comment

Originally Posted by Stubi

What a rubbish here

Not sure what he was referring to, possibly his own grammar but I digress.....

A couple days later the Solar stock had shot to the moon so I sold them for a profit of....<drum roll>

Which meant that the portfolio looked like this (notice only 4 companies now Butters...)

That brings us to Friday which as a day will remain in our hearts as the day that Fannie May and Freddie Mac, the two government sponsored mortgage companies lost 50% of their market value only to recover after a well placed lie in the media sparked a recovery in their stock price

Thats how things stand right now, 6784$ + 4100$ = oh i dont know I c
ant be arsed, go back and read the thread

**Butterfly** · 13-07-2008, 04:00 AM

^ thanks spin, for the recap, very much appreciated

**Rattanaburi** · 13-07-2008, 07:21 AM

Spin, just curious I don't know you too well. Have you actually made money in stocks? You seem pretty confident with this. Personally, I haven't really done and daytrading. There was a time when daytrading was big but it seems like it never makes the news anymore.

I'd guess you can't really claim any profit until you stop playing all together. I mean if you started with 20k and sold a stock putting 4k profit on that stock into your account you could say that you had 4k that wasn't going anywhere for sure but until all the money is in that moneymarket account you can't really say that you have made a profit. If you have 4k then you sell out the 20k you have in the market and have 24k in your moneymarket you would have made 4k in profit.

I guess at the moment your total account value is over your initial investment so if you sold instantly at the opening you would have about the current total amount.

I'm not trying to harrass you or anything. It just an observation. Your stocks look like winners to me. Even if we can't drive our cars or buy new clothes, we still want to have dinner and heat our homes.

**Spin** · 13-07-2008, 01:47 PM

Originally Posted by Rattanaburi

Have you actually made money in stocks?

The trades in this thread reflect trades that I have in real life, so you could assume that yes I am making money. I've lost money too, but at the end of the month I generally come out on top. Right now this is a tough tough market to be involved in though, be a whole lot easier to turn profits in 6-9 months from now

Originally Posted by Rattanaburi

You seem pretty confident with this.

I know these companies, i believe in their future. Due diligence has been done.
When I placed the trades for this thread it was practically impossible for me to lose money, it was all about timing you see.

Originally Posted by Rattanaburi

but until all the money is in that moneymarket account you can't really say that you have made a profit.

Looks to me like your having trouble following the numbers on this thread, there all right there above on those 4 pages, maybe i didnt lay it out well enough, sorry about that. Go back and have a closer look, take out your calculator, if you need it, to check those numbers but dont forget this is only a game.

**NickA** · 13-07-2008, 02:43 PM

^So I see you're following my advice Spin and making some money. You're still a learner though and I will pass you on to the next level of financial wisdom.

Buy even lower, sell even higher.

**Rattanaburi** · 13-07-2008, 06:06 PM

I see the gain but what I am saying is that until all your stocks become cash in your hand and not in the market there's no real gain. If you sold out right now you would have some gain for sure but if you wait and something changes quickly then you sell overall you could have lost money from your initial total investment in this account. I'm not denying that you show a realized gain on that one stock. But until all your stocks(your whole account) are converted to cash you can't say that you've made more money than you initially started with. That $6784 doesn't exist as profit until you sell out. If you sell everything right now you would have a great profit right now but until you do you don't know what you'll have in your account at the end of the day. Just because you've won one hand on a poker table doesn't mean you will leave the table with cash if you keep playing.

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