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    SO Thailand is in the same predicament as New Orleans and many other areas on the Mississippi. Then we can look at Holland, much of London. Yip buggering about with nature costs money. So you either build the infrastructure like Holland or don't like New Orleans. Pay up front or pay after the flood. Toyota and every other multi nic knew about the dangers of flooding. Set up shop simply because it made business sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Takeovers
    I came back to this thread by looking through the videos posted by Zampan0. The guy actually manages to sound halfway serious through the first video. In the middle of the second he finally shows himself as the loopy he is. Most funny stuff.
    I would like to know what it is that Lord Stirling has to say in the posted vid.#2 that you find "loopy". If you are referring to Scalar Technology & HAARP being used to change the earths climate conditions as being "loopy", it is you that may be missing several cards out of a full deck.

    Scalar Technology and HAARP are very real and have been progressing in magnitude and results for over two decades. The Russian Federation allong with China have joined into this technology -in a big way- as well. Make no mistake, the Gulf Loop Current has stalled and this has caused significant changes in the northern jet stream as well as the southern jet stream. You see, these changes effect the entire world from floods to droughts to brutal European winters. Do you think world wide food shortages are "loopy"? Think again.

    You may be referring to Stirlings comments about Matt Simmens & Dr. Kelly (of England I believe) having been "whacked" or murdered by the governments involved as being "loopy". It is now legal under U.S. law and was at the time of Matt Simmen's death being performed, to murder or execute ANY person that is in conflict with Americas "National Security".

    "Toto, I've a feeling we're not in Kanas any more" - Dorothy's comment from "The Wizard of Oz.

    Here's a bit of info on Scalar technology. And again, I may have missed something, so please respond to what you consider "loopy" in Lord Stirlings video #2.

    Historical Background of Scalar EM Weapons
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    Directly scientific absurdity was this comment about cold air from the high atmosphere touching ground and cause freezing like in some movies. The cold air from high is very low density. When coming down it would be compressed and actually quite warm. Remember filling the tyres of your bicycle? The pump becomes warm through compression.

    Most compelling if there is a change in the gulf stream it would be instantly felt in europe. We would already be in an Ice Age if anything of that were true.

    There is a lot more but I cannot be bothered.

    Edit: I am aware he said the instant freeze is a possibility only, and mentioned that old bullshit about the frozen Mammut but it is not a possibility at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Takeovers
    Directly scientific absurdity was this comment about cold air from the high atmosphere touching ground and cause freezing like in some movies.
    You are very wrong. I've read about and watched other vids. how this scenario is scientifically factual. As to going on and finding vids and articles for you, to prove Lord Stirlings message, I'll just agree with and go along with your quoted statement below.

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    The cambodian weather service is warning of severe flooding again this year.
    Just because a weather event is a one in fifty years or a hundred years event,it doesnt mean that it cant happen again next year.
    In australia lake eyre which is the huge catchment in central australia can be dry for decades.
    It has been full for three years out of the last four.
    Here in cambodia we have had more than five severe rain storms since early january-totally unseasonal.
    If one had a factory on the flood plain in thailand there would be no more insurance cover after last years disaster.
    I cant see the factories surviving another event-cambodia and burma beckon....

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    The minimum wage in Cambodia is $45 a month or about $1.50 a day, in Vietnam it's $39.80 or $1.20 a day. Thailand wants to pay complete idiots a relatively inflated wage of over $10.00 a day in exchange for their votes in the last election. It does not take an MBA to figure out where business will go and why.
    Then there's the floods, the ridiculous visa rules, the childishness of Thai male workers, the political instability, the corruption........and whatever else.

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    ^The infrastructure in Thailand is still better than Cambodia or Vietnam, and corruption less bad in Thailand than in Vietnam. For labor-intensive, relatively low-tech manufacturing like sewing or sorting recyclables Cambodia is a better choice, but for more serious industry Thailand is better. Thailand could do a few things to make it more competitive than it is even with the (relatively) higher wage rate, but that would require institutional reform that can't really take place without a change in the culture. I don't mean among laborers but rather the political and bureaucratic culture.
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    Quote Originally Posted by robuzo
    For labor-intensive, relatively low-tech manufacturing like sewing or sorting recyclables Cambodia is a better choice, but for more serious industry Thailand is better.
    I agree about Cambodia or Laos, but Vietnam can compete or very soon will.

    Out of personal interest I wonder what NIKON is doing. Will they rebuild? A lot of NIKON equipment is not available on the market right now. Both my camera and the one I would like to buy next were built in Thailand and are not available in the market any more except few remaining pieces out of stock at very inflated prices.

    I am not saying my personal interest in these items is important. But it shows the flood has its consequences worldwide. My guess is they will build again in the same place, maybe with better flood precautions. Any other location will take even longer to restart production, I guess.

    These items are high tech and require trained staff.

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    a lot of investors are now looking outside Thailand,

    the problem is their choice is limited, only Malaysia could be a serious player

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    ^ I was completely amazed and surprised at Kuala Lumpur when I went there in December. I was expecting something like Bangkok, but that City was beautiful, clean and modern. Even the driving in Malaysia is civilized compared to here. I think both KL and Malaysia are highly underrated.

    If they have decent night life of the Soi 6 variety available, I would like to live there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BobR
    I was expecting something like Bangkok, but that City was beautiful, clean and modern.
    it's a small city actually, and very boring after a while, I was there 2 months ago and hated it

    Good indian food though,

    the business is outside KL in those factory parks,

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    Quote Originally Posted by robuzo View Post
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    Re-adapt the land to agriculture?
    What can you grow under a metre of water?
    It could be the new Tonle Sap of Thailand. Anyway, only underwater part of the year. Just have to control the depth.
    How about cranberries!

    Go good with the Thai Christmas Turkey...........

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sailing into trouble View Post
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    Re-adapt the land to agriculture?
    What can you grow under a metre of water?
    It could be the new Tonle Sap of Thailand. Anyway, only underwater part of the year. Just have to control the depth.
    How about cranberries!

    Go good with the Thai Christmas Turkey...........
    Too tropical for cranberries,

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    How about more crocodile farms? They sure do liven things up when the floods occur.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butterfly
    I was there 2 months ago and hated it
    lived there for 4 years
    loved it

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    I decided to take a bit of time and post a few pics and vids that back up my previous post. It's a bit more complicated than inflating a bicycle tire.


    The loop current goes out and breaks up @ approx. 250 miles from the U.S. coast. Just as Lord Stirling said in the posted vid., the Gulf Stream Loop Current has broken in the Gulf of Mexico. The much smaller current that moves to warm the European Atlantic ocean no longer has the velocity to reach Europe, not even close.

    Source: DEOS: Current velocities of the Gulf Stream



    This stalled/broken current DOES effect the northern jet stream.

    This vid. is from August, 2010. You won't find much -if anything- being talked about concerning the gulf loop being stalled after 2010.
    Gulf loop current and Gulf Stream Broken Affecting Europes Climate Ice Age Now!!! Good one BP!!! - YouTube

    A vid about the Atlantic Drift Current, again from Aug. 2010.
    Gulf Stream and North Atlantic Dying - YouTube

    It's sort of hard (impossible?) to refute this fellows research findings.
    From Jan. 2011:


    This vid concerns the solar effects and pole shift which are major factors in the fast approching ice age.


    "As the Earth’s magnetic field continues to move, at some point the changes will effect all sorts of established systems such as charts, directions, documentation, software, and yes – more airports…"

    The speed of the pole shift has been dramatically speeding up for the past several years. The increased speed in the pole shift has come to the point where airports must change GPS readings for the landing of airplanes daily.

    Magnetic Pole Shift May Close Airports - surviving disaster and emergency - Modern Survival Blog

    From an article on the "National Geographic" web site:

    "It read like science fiction … and I quickly realized it would make for a great movie," Emmerich said. "I began researching … and found the underlying science pretty real."
    <i>Day After Tomorrow</i> Movie: Could Ice Age Occur Overnight?

    0K, we have several very real factors that will bring about an ice age very soon. There are allot of dis-info articles out there that are trying to refute this evidence. TPTB have basically stopped just about all comment and current scientific info on the subject ( bicycle tire inflation evidence excepted).

    All that I can say is, just watch Lord Stirlings vids. and make up your own minds on the subject. There may be ways and places to be that will minimise the effects on ourselves and our loved ones. There are a whole lot of other articles and web sites that can offer suggestions on minimising the effects. From what I have seen and read, Thailand is a pretty good place to be.
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    This will be my second to last post on this subject unless I feel the need to reply.

    I am finding it more difficult than I first thought to gather more information on this matter, one has to ask one's self why this is. It is beyond my capibility to try and explain what it is that I believe to be, the root of the said supression without my sounding like a "conspiracy therorist". So, I will offer two articles from the same site and let you decide for yourselves the reasons -that I personally believe to be true- for the supression of such a grave matter.


    "Yep, that’s right. Global Cooling.
    Which means one of two things.
    Either it was a printing error.
    Or the global elite is perfectly well aware that global cooling represents a far more serious and imminent threat to the world than global warming, but is so far unwilling to admit it except behind closed doors.
    Let me explain briefly why this is a bombshell waiting to explode."

    Life on this Earth Just Changed: The North Atlantic Current is Gone

    Global Cooling and the New World Order
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    After posting the above post I remembered reading a Henry Makow article from June 19, 2010. This will probably discredit my previous posts for most of you, but I remember reading the article when it first came out and -after serious consideration- I believed then and I believe now, that what is said in the article is true. The cabal -that the author of the article was a part of- may have changed their plan somewhat, the results are very similar indeed.

    It didn't take me long to find the article, but after reading of late how Henry may have 'turned', I was surprised to find it still 'up'. You may want to save it.

    "In 1903, Cabalist Banker Prophesied Gulf Apocalypse"

    "In 1903, they knew that an oil reservoir emptying into the oceans would become an apocalypse and could destroy the entire earth."


    In 1903, Cabalist Banker Prophesied Gulf Apocalypse - henrymakow.com

    & -"This makes Katrina look like a grade school fire drill." http://johndotyjr.blogspot.com/2010/...ife-as-we.html Nothing has changed since this article was writen except the fact that even more oil is at the bottom of the gulf. There hasn't been a hurricane in the gulf since the start of the disaster, but as Matt Simmons said, when a hurricane does come, the nature of a hurricane is to bring all of the oil and chemical toxins on the bottom, to the surface. May God help The South.

    " Do not kill them, or my people may forget; make them totter by your power, and bring them down, O Lord, our shield." Psalm 59:11
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    30% back up and running is actually a very good result. Water damage cleanup is not easy and it takes a lot of time. And there are only so many qualified cleanup companies that can do this work - some places need to wait their turn.

    You guys are talking about this flood as if it happened every year... Yes, there is flooding every year but it's minor. This year, Thailand got the most rain in 50 years. It's not like this stuff happens all the time.

    And yes, many of these companies ARE covered by insurance. Not all, not fully, but many will get a payout and you can read about the losses sustained by insurance companies due to the payouts in the news.

    Lastly, Thailand is becoming a nation of customers. If a widget factory wants to move to China, they can. But that also means they will be facing very high import duties on their widgets since Thailand taxes all imports to death. It may or may not me cheaper to pay Thai labor $10/day...

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    some of those factories are at 70% of their production capacity already

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    Thai flooding impact on tech companies, suppliers

    Published: Wednesday, 22 Feb 2012 | 7:25 PM ET

    What tech manufacturers and suppliers have been saying about the impact from heavy flooding in Thailand:

    Oct. 12, 2011: Seagate Technology PLC, which makes hard drives, says its factories in Thailand have been operational, but it may have difficulty making hard drives because of constraints in getting parts.

    Oct. 17: Computer hard drive maker Western Digital Corp. says flooding damage to its Thailand locations will have a significant impact on its operations and its ability to meet customer demand the rest of the year.

    Oct. 18: Apple Inc. CEO Tim Cook says he is "virtually certain there will be an overall industry shortage of disk drives." Cook warns that Apple's Mac lines will be most affected.

    Oct. 19: Data storage equipment maker Emulex Corp. says a subcontracted manufacturing facility in Ayudhaya has suspended operations due to flooding.

    Oct. 24: Fabrinet, which provides services and parts for optical, electro-mechanical and electronic manufacturing companies, says it expects its Chokchai plants to remain shuttered through the rest of the quarter.

    Emcore Corp., which makes semiconductor-based components for broadband, fiber optic, solar and other markets, says flooding penetrated a contractor's production facility over the weekend, submerging some equipment. Emcore says it will have trouble meeting customer demand for fiber optic products, but it's ramping up production in China and other areas. The company's solar division wasn't affected by the floods.

    Oct. 26: Computer networking equipment maker Digi International Inc. says flooding inundated an unnamed contract manufacturer, leaving it unclear when it can resume working with Digi. Digi says it has halted all of its Thailand-based operations as it reviews how it to meet existing business requirements by working with other contract manufacturers or using its own manufacturing operation in the U.S. and inventory on hand.

    Semiconductor maker LSI Corp. warns that supply-chain uncertainties because of the flooding may weigh on fourth-quarter results.

    Nov. 1: JDS Uniphase Corp., which makes products for communications companies to test the quality of their networks, says it expects revenue in the current quarter to be reduced by $35 million to $45 million because of flooding. It says it has added employees in Thailand to help meet customer's needs.

    Nov. 2: Lenovo Group Ltd., a leading maker of personal computers, says flooding in Thailand will likely impact the global supply of hard disk drives. It says it will "monitor the situation closely and take necessary actions to mitigate the potential impact."

    Nov. 9: Cisco Systems Inc. says it is closely watching fallout from the flooding, particular for the effect on disk drives for its set-top boxes and on its optical-networking products. It says it has contingency plans in place to minimize any impact and has factored that into forecasts, but it expects things won't return to normal for several quarters.

    Nov. 10: Research group IDC says the disaster's real effect isn't expected to hit makers of personal computers until early next year. In a worst-case scenario, PC shipments could drop more than 20 percent from previous forecasts in the first quarter of 2012. IDC says many of the personal computers that will be sold during the holiday season have already been produced or can be made with existing supplies of hard drives, limiting disruptions from the flooding.

    Nov. 15: Dell Inc. says revenue will likely be hampered in the next few quarters because of shortages in hard drives. The company says it still cannot pinpoint the magnitude or duration of hard drive shortages because of the complexity of the situation. That means the industry needs to pay attention to how it allocates its resources through at least the first quarter of 2012. Dell notes that it has worked through other supply shortages in the industry before.

    Nov. 16: NetApp Inc., a data-storage company, says supplies of hard disk drives are probably adequate for the current quarter, but flooding may affect revenue and margins next year.

    Nov. 17: Marvell Technology Group Ltd., which makes digital storage devices and network components and chips for smartphones and other wireless devices, says damage from the floods will have an effect on its business, but the company says it has a strong balance sheet and diverse sources of revenue, which will help it manage those effects.

    Nov. 21: Hewlett-Packard Co. says supply constraints should start to ease by the end of the fiscal second quarter, which ends in April. But the company says the situation remains dynamic. "I've been on the phone with the heads of all four of our disk drive partners and I'm not even sure they have a complete picture about when they're going to be back up and running," CEO Meg Whitman said. She says the company expects to get more than its fair share of drives because of long-term relationships with suppliers, but "this is going to be pretty tough for the industry."

    Nov. 22: TiVo Inc. warns of increased costs for hard drives in the current quarter.

    Nov. 28: Seagate says it will hit the low end of its previously forecast range of disk drive shipments. Seagate now expects to ship 43 million units in the current quarter. In October, it had projected 40 million to 50 million units.

    Nov. 30: Analog and mixed-signal semiconductor maker Semtech Corp. says it expects results to be hampered in the current quarter. It issues a quarterly forecast that is short of analysts' expectations for adjusted earnings and revenue.

    Dec. 8: IHS iSuppli estimates that the flooding will result in a shortfall of nearly 4 million PCs — most of them laptops — shipped in the first quarter of 2012. The research firm now expects global PC shipments to total 84.2 million in the period, down from a previous estimate of 88 million. This would be a drop of nearly 12 percent from the October-to-December period, using iSuppli's estimate of 95.3 million PCs in the current quarter.

    Dec. 12: Intel cuts its fourth-quarter revenue outlook, saying that companies are reducing inventories and microprocessor purchases because of shortages of hard drives.

    Jan. 4, 2012: Seagate says it shipped more hard disk drives in its December quarter than it had expected and will post revenue above its earlier guidance.

    Jan. 5: Research firm Gartner Inc. lowers its global technology spending growth forecast because of the sluggish economy and the euro crisis. Gartner says the computer hardware sector will be the hardest hit, hurt by supply constraints in the hard disk drive industry.

    Jan. 12: Gartner and IDC both say personal-computer shipments dipped slightly during the final three months of last year. Although sales have already been hurt by the popularity of mobile devices, the disk drive shortages compounded the problem.

    Jan. 18: Sanmina-SCI Corp., which makes parts used in electronic equipment, says its fiscal first-quarter net income plunged 70 percent as flooding in Thailand and weakness in its communications networks division hurt sales.

    Jan. 23: Western Digital CEO John Coyne says progress in restoring capacity in Thailand is "significantly ahead of our original expectations" and is reflected in the results in the latest quarter.

    Chip-maker International Rectifier Corp. cuts its revenue forecast for the last three months of 2011 because of lower demand in China and Europe and supply-chain disruptions due to flooding.

    Jan. 24: II-VI Inc., which makes lenses and other parts for lasers, says its profit dropped 31 percent in the fiscal second quarter as flooding in Thailand hurt its optics business.

    Server technology company Super Micro Computer Inc. reaffirms that the impact of hard drive supplies will make the current quarter challenging. Revenue in the latest quarter grew less than 1 percent, hurt by the shortages.

    Jan. 25: Molex Inc., which makes electronic components and cables, says its fiscal second-quarter net income fell 18 percent on a one-time charge and higher expenses as revenue declined due to flooding.

    Semiconductor maker LSI Corp. predicts it will start the new year with a surprisingly strong quarter. The outlook helps assure investors that LSI is past the problems caused by the hard disk shortages, which had threatened to have ripple effects on LSI's semiconductors for data storage and networking.

    Jan. 26: Japanese electronics company NEC Corp. says it is slashing 10,000 jobs worldwide and would lose money for the full year amid weakness in its mobile phone business and flooding in Thailand, which hit its platform business. The flooding damaged its factory, and NEC says it planned to build a replacement.

    Marvell Technology lowers its fourth-quarter revenue outlook, citing Thailand flooding and weak year-end demand among mobile and wireless customers.

    Emulex Corp., a maker of data storage and network equipment, says it was able to restore full production capacity at a cost of $2.1 million, reducing gross margins during the latest quarter.

    Feb. 7: Emerson Electric says its net income fell 23 percent as the diversified manufacturing and technology company saw costs rise and sales take a hit from flooding in Thailand. Flooding caused supply chain disruptions that hurt results at Emerson's process management division and to a lesser extent at its network power business, delaying about $300 million in sales, most of which are expected to be recovered this year.

    Feb. 9: Lenovo Group Ltd., the world's second-biggest maker of PCs, says a global shortage caused by flooding is adding $5 to $10 to the cost of each hard drive. Chief Financial Officer Wong Waiming says the impact of the floods on hard drive production will "likely continue to affect global PC supply" into the next quarter and hard drive costs "will continue to stay high in the short term."

    Wednesday: Hewlett Packard Co. blames flooding for more than half of its drop in revenue, a 7 percent decline to $30 billion. HP says it decided to divert supplies of drives to higher-margin products. It expects constraints to continue in the quarter through April, but the effect on revenue should be smaller compared with the recent quarter.
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    One thing to remember about expanding polar ice sheets it is has a moderating effect on the oceans. They become less stormy and allow easier passage for small boats. So not all bad news. But then because of the Ozone hole we will all fry anyway.

    Early South Pacific travel and St Brendan's voyages to North america, Vikings Spanish guys.etc Anthropologists are very keen on this notion. So not all gloom and doom. Unless you live under the new Ice Sheet!

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    I am very surprised that we still have a planet.

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    Japanese firms may quit Thailand: survey
    Wednesday, 29 February 2012



    BANGKOK: Almost one in 10 Japanese manufacturers with operations in Thailand plans to relocate out of the kingdom after last year's devastating floods, a survey showed Wednesday.

    Electronics makers were particularly hard hit, with more than half directly affected by the disaster, according to the poll of 1,345 companies by the Japanese Chamber of Commerce Bangkok (JCCB), in which 366 responded.
    "The electronics sector suffered more than other industries," said Setsuo Iuchi, chairman of the organisation's economic research committee, adding that such companies were now trying to spread their risk.

    Eight percent of all Japanese manufacturers in Thailand plan to relocate out of the country, while 85 percent will resume their business in the same place. Others expect to move within the kingdom.

    The months-long floods last year took a heavy toll on Thailand's industrial heartland north of Bangkok, with many factories forced to close temporarily.
    Japanese auto giant Honda has suspended operations since early October at its factory in Ayutthaya, where it was forced to destroy more than 1,000 cars that were submerged by the muddy waters.

    The survey showed 72 percent of manufacturers expected to resume their operations between December 2011 and March 2012, while 21 percent will restart in April-May this year, and six percent in June or later.

    "Those companies that are resuming late have to wait for new machinery imported from Japan, and some are still waiting to see the Thai government's flood prevention plan," Iuchi said.

    The JCCB has urged the Thai government to speed up the implementation of a flood control plan.

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