Thread: US set to veto Palestian statehood

^Don't like blue rope cooking either, rosbeef eez better!

Originally Posted by spliff

Let them become a state. Then when someone lobs a rocket into Israeli territory than Isreal can declare a proper war and wipe them off the map....Scripture is coming!

It would make more sense for Israel to formally be adopted as the 51st state and shifted across the atlantic: Las Vegas would arguably be an appropriate capital.

^ Not much chance of that.
Which tail is wagging which dog now?

Netanyahu has ordered a new batch of 2,000 homes to be built in Jerusalem, pissing Obama right off.

Good post, Sabang.
When the Palestinians sort out their own internal differences, they will have a chance of managing the state of Palestine.
Until then, the ordinary people will just be cannon fodder for Islamic factional extremism.

If, (a big ask), the politico/religious extremists pull their necks in and stop demanding the elimination/genocide of their perceived enemies, then we might see a fair resolution to the conflict there.

While religious extremists rule though, there is no hope

I love it. First America threatens UNESCO for daring to go against them, now the Yids are getting their punishment in on the Palestinians for daring to talk to UNESCO.

Wankers.

Palestinian leaders reacted angrily after Israel said it would build 2,000 settler homes and freeze the transfer of Palestinian tax funds to punish them for joining UNESCO.
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's inner cabinet decided on Tuesday to speed up construction in east Jerusalem and in nearby settlements, a day after UNESCO's general assembly voted Palestine in as a full member.
"These measures were agreed... as punishment after the vote at UNESCO," a senior government official told AFP on condition of anonymity.
"We will build 2,000 housing units, including 1,650 homes in east Jerusalem and the rest in the settlements of Maaleh Adumim and Efrat," he added, referring to a sprawling settlement east of Jerusalem and another between Bethlehem and the southern city of Hebron.
"It was also decided to temporarily freeze the transfer of funds to the Palestinian Authority," he added.
Every month, Israel transfers to the Palestinian Authority tens of millions of dollars in customs duties levied on goods destined for Palestinian markets that transit through Israeli ports. The money constitutes a large percentage of the Palestinian budget.
Israel often freezes the transfer of funds as a punitive measure in response to diplomatic or political developments viewed as harmful.
A statement from Netanyahu's office said the decisions were taken during a "first discussion" of the UNESCO issue. Further steps would be considered at the next meeting of the so-called Forum of Eight senior ministers.
The Palestinians' presidential spokesman Nabil Abu Rudeina reacted angrily.
He called on the Middle East Quartet and the US administration to "put an end to this recklessness" which he warned would have "negative consequences" for the whole region.
"The Israeli decision to speed up settlement construction with the construction of 2,000 new housing units is an Israeli decision to accelerate the destruction of the peace process," he told AFP.
"And the freezing of funds is stealing money from the Palestinian people."
The Palestinian request for UNESCO membership was approved by the UN cultural organisation's general assembly at a vote in Paris on Monday, despite strong opposition from the United States and Israel.
The move was also likely to cost UNESCO its US funding, which makes up 22 percent of its budget, because US law requires Washington to cut funds to any UN organisation that admits Palestine as a full member.
And Canada announced Tuesday that it would not contribute any extra money to UNESCO to make up for any shortfall from the US cut.
"Canada is deeply disappointed by the decision taken by UNESCO," Foreign Minister John Baird told reporters. "As a result of this decision, Canada has decided to freeze all further voluntary contributions to UNESCO."
But Canada's regular annual $10 million contribution to UNESCO would not be withdrawn, he added.
Israel is also reportedly considering withdrawing the special permits granted to top Palestinian officials that allow them to move between the West Bank and Israel with relative ease.
And servers providing Internet connections to Palestinians across the West Bank and Gaza Strip lost all Internet access Tuesday after a cyber-attack.
Palestinian communications minister Mashur Abu Daqqa told AFP he suspected Israeli involvement.
Netanyahu has denounced the UNESCO decision as yet another Palestinian attempt to seek "a state without a deal".
"We won't sit around idly in the wake of these moves that harm Israel and are a crude violation of the most elementary commitment the sides took upon themselves in the peace process -- to solve the conflict between us through negotiations only," he said on Monday.
Winning membership in UNESCO will allow the Palestinians, who previously held observer status at the organisation, to apply to classify natural and cultural sites as World Heritage Sites.

Israelis are nasty fuckers, let's hope Iran bomb them back to the stone age, where they belong

The Israeli response was to accelerate the illegal building of dwellings program in the occupied Palestinian territories.

All good stuff.

^ idiot Israeli nazi,

Justifying new settlements as revenge for them being accepted to UNESCO is the same as justifying rockets and suicide bombs as revenge for the new settlements.

Originally Posted by pickel

Justifying new settlements as revenge for them being accepted to UNESCO is the same as justifying rockets and suicide bombs as revenge for the new settlements.

The report of "revenge" building was made by another anonymous thus dodgy source.

Originally Posted by Butterfly

^ idiot Israeli nazi,

As a psychopath, your insistence that I am an Israeli even when reported evidence and more reasonable hearsay indicate otherwise, is classic.

Have a sleep, you'll feel better.

I'm actually pleased as hell that Palestine has UNESCO recognition.

Even though Israel and USA yak on about how that they're not going to contribute etc.
The truth is that all that hot air is just political posturing, to cover the fact that they are both over the moon over the matter.

Now UN can pay for Palestine upkeep instead.
And Israel can afford to get on with building faster and USA can get on with "liberating" more Arab oil in Libya in a truly free, unhindered and "democratic" manner.

Originally Posted by ENT

The report of "revenge" building was made by another anonymous thus dodgy source.

Common sense tells me that it was "revenge" building though. What the hell could you possibly think the reason for it is?

Originally Posted by pickel

Originally Posted by ENT

The report of "revenge" building was made by another anonymous thus dodgy source.

Common sense tells me that it was "revenge" building though. What the hell could you possibly think the reason for it is?

Housing shortage.

Originally Posted by sabang

But I guess that belongs in the OWS thread

as well as the Greece thread.

I wonder when the tomb of Iesu Meshech, "the teller of the story of the seed", in Kashmir, is going to be placed on that World Heritage list.

Originally Posted by sabang

May as well go thru' the shame gallery. Here are the Israeli/ US shill states that voted No to Palestinian membership of Unesco-

Australia,
Canada,
Czech Republic,
Germany,
Israel,
Lithuania,
the Netherlands,
Palau,
Panama,
Samoa,
Solomon Islands,
Sweden,
United States of America,
Vanuatu.

Surprised at Germany, Holland & Sweden actually. Not the least bit surprised at Australia, just disgusted.

And here are the moral cowards that abstained-

Albania, Andorra, Bahamas, Barbados, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Burundi, Cameroon, Cape Verde, Colombia, Cook Islands, Côte d’Ivoire, Croatia, Denmark, Estonia, Fiji, Georgia, Haiti, Hungary, Italy, Jamaica, Japan, Kiribati, Latvia, Liberia, Mexico, Monaco, Montenegro, Nauru, New Zealand, Papua New Guinea, Poland, Portugal, Republic of Korea, Republic of Moldova, Romania, Rwanda, Saint Kitts and Nevis, San Marino, Singapore, Slovakia, Switzerland, Thailand, Macedonia, Togo, Tonga, Trinidad and Tobago, Tuvalu, Uganda, Ukraine, United Kingdom, Zambia.

The vast majority of both the worlds sovereign states and population of course voted Yes, including all of the BRIC states. They are way more representative of the future than the motley bunch of "No's" above, with their aging populations, stagnant economic growth rates, and fading historical 'glories'. A museum piece for the age of Imperialism really.

Incidentally, the people of all countries outside Israel (including the USA) safely preferred a Yes vote over a No, or abstention. It is quite routine these days for so called Democracies to ignore and over ride the wishes of the people they supposedly report to. But I guess that belongs in the OWS thread.

So Russia a state rapidly going backwards towards the old communist ditatorial ways committing genocide in parts and oppression in others of its forcibly included areas, and who's economy is mostly built on crime/nepotism and corruption, including history's largest robbery ever of a population and a country's assets -

India a first class 3 world shithole if you discount the money owned by a few rich, who is building it's growth on the backs of hundreds of millions exploited poor people, who live and die in squalor and dirt, work as slaves for a pittance, and have no consideration if their people die from poverty in the millions -

China who's economy is based on intellectual property theft from western nations, who is governing their Currency in such a way as to undercut the economy of the very countries that buy their cheap crap and often poisonous or fawlty products, made by largely the same type of exploited workers as in India, using standards that pollutes our world with complete disregard to science and new knowledge in those areas, stating because we did it a century ago they should be allowed to do the same now and as long as they please, a brutal communist dictatorship who shits on human rights.

+ a bunch of dictatorships religious and otherwise - is the representatives of a future you desire, very very strange for a person who is enjoying the fruits of Democracy, freedom and regulated work conditions.

The whole UN has become little more than a ridiculous joke, States without a democratic system should never have been included or allowed voting rights.

And the question most sane people would have voted yes to was if the Palestinians should be allowed to have a state, excluded was any questions about the conditions under which such a wish should be granted, so the result was a given, and as such it is a completely worthless questionnaire to refer to, the same majority would have emerged if there had been an added question -that the condition was that the Palestinians promised to recognize Israel and refrain from terrorist attacks.

Your whole post is a spin where you have picked out the "what suits your private view" and left out anything that could detract from your conclusions Sab.

IMHO

^Don't change the facts on the ground here on planet Earth- they're going forward, while we stagnate. They're becoming more relevent and central, while the US & Nato just paints itself into a corner of irrelevance. It has been much the same if you study the decline and fall of any great civilisation actually, at least one able to exert hegemony. That is what is happening here.

Again, I tend to agree with you there, in as much as, that the Arab block and the state of Palestine in particular, are entering a "new wave" stage, the "Arab spring , as some call it.

I may be wrong, but as history tends to repeat itself, cyclically almost, the moving forward as you describe signals the end of an older regime in the Arab context.

Especially in negotiation of new allegiences, based on revised political and empirical values, consequently trade and exchange systems are going to have to restructure.

These exchange systems include contracts of loyalty to clans, land ownrership and use, trade franchises under the caliphates, marital rights, legislative protocols and human rights.

How successfully the adjustment to change occurs depends primarily on motive and resource.

The Arab world has sufficient of both.
What is so far lacking is sufficient resolve to carry the movement through to its end.

The world at large can encourage the process by backing a move such as the acceptance of the state of Palestine as a viable legal entity in thge UNO once it has resolved to share that body's principles.

If the Palestinian authority can demonstrate the ideals of the"'Arab spring" in a co-operative way with global values, the possibility of peace in Palestine exists.

The obstacle to achieving this result is the apathetic, hand-tied attitude demonstrated by the abstaining members in the the UN vote for Palestinian acceptance.