Thread: Muslim parents keep kids from swim class

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Good point, and if this was a Jewish family, or a Buddhist family, or a Pentecostal family, all the Islamaphobes here would likely agree with you.

Originally Posted by lysander

Why are swimming lessons compulsory? If this had happened in the US there'd be an uproar about the guvmint forcing citizens to do things they don't want to do. If the local council busybodies came round to my house and told me I'd got to attend 'compulsory' swimming lessons I'd tell them to go and fukc themselves.

Probably because its not USA or UK and each country makes its own rules.
If swimming classes is a compulsory part of a kids education in Switzerland, it really has nothing to do with what you might, or might not do if the same rule applied in your own country.

Simple really, -- dont raise a family in Switzerland if you dont like their rules.

Originally Posted by lysander

Why are swimming lessons compulsory? If this had happened in the US there'd be an uproar about the guvmint forcing citizens to do things they don't want to do

Heres a pretty good reason-

Seven US teenagers from two families were splashing around in the shallow waters of Louisiana's Red River when one of them stepped off a slippery ledge and plummeted into much deeper water. The others tried to save the boy even though none of them could swim, but they too were swallowed by the water some 20 to 30 feet deep.

Their relatives, who couldn't swim either, looked on helplessly as six struggling teens screamed for help, then vanished and drowned.

Swimming skills can be scarce among African-Americans like the teens in this tragedy. A study commissioned by the sports governing body USA Swimming found 69 per cent of black children had low or no swimming ability compared to 41.8 per cent of white children.
Six teens drown in front of their families

It would be inconceivable to grow up in Australia without learning to swim.
It would be basically impossible for the above tragedy to happen there.

Originally Posted by oky

send them home if they don't want to adapt...

or send them to OZ for a dip in our surf ? - one rip and RIP.

Originally Posted by oky

Originally Posted by BobR

Arrogant and unreasonable Western Governments are much more repulsive and much more of a concern to me than Muslims. Switzerland is landlocked, so why the swimming requirement? The Courts will hopefully require them to provide separate classes to accommodate peoples religious beliefs.

If you support other people's rights being arrogantly and willfully ignored, who will care when they (the Government) ignore your rights?

ever heard of lakes? rivers? Every year a lot of people - specially children - die because they never learned to swimm....ever heard of that??

Anyone that travels should learn to swim - we send far too many corpses home from our beaches in OZ. ( they just ignore all the signs and warnings).

Originally Posted by BobR

Originally Posted by oky

Originally Posted by BobR

Arrogant and unreasonable Western Governments are much more repulsive and much more of a concern to me than Muslims. Switzerland is landlocked, so why the swimming requirement? The Courts will hopefully require them to provide separate classes to accommodate peoples religious beliefs.

If you support other people's rights being arrogantly and willfully ignored, who will care when they (the Government) ignore your rights?

Switzerland is not a muslim country, there is no need for separate classes. The Swiss education system is quite good, so take it for free or leave!

No, there are decent Muslims and this is not something they thought of just to get out of PE. The Government should be obligated to provide separate male/female classes or waive the requirement upon parental demand. Respect for other peoples religions, no matter how silly we think they are is part of being a civilized society.

But moslems don't understand what civilized society means?

Originally Posted by sabang

Originally Posted by lysander

Why are swimming lessons compulsory? If this had happened in the US there'd be an uproar about the guvmint forcing citizens to do things they don't want to do

Heres a pretty good reason-

Seven US teenagers from two families were splashing around in the shallow waters of Louisiana's Red River when one of them stepped off a slippery ledge and plummeted into much deeper water. The others tried to save the boy even though none of them could swim, but they too were swallowed by the water some 20 to 30 feet deep.

Their relatives, who couldn't swim either, looked on helplessly as six struggling teens screamed for help, then vanished and drowned.

Swimming skills can be scarce among African-Americans like the teens in this tragedy. A study commissioned by the sports governing body USA Swimming found 69 per cent of black children had low or no swimming ability compared to 41.8 per cent of white children.
Six teens drown in front of their families

It would be inconceivable to grow up in Australia without learning to swim.
It would be basically impossible for the above tragedy to happen there.

Always pissed me off after a difficult rescue of children to find Grandma had been left in charge of the kids while the parents went elsewhere - what the hell could an 80 yo. grandma do in her long dress sandshoes and handbag?-and probably couldn't swim either?

Originally Posted by lysander

Why are swimming lessons compulsory? If this had happened in the US there'd be an uproar about the guvmint forcing citizens to do things they don't want to do. If the local council busybodies came round to my house and told me I'd got to attend 'compulsory' swimming lessons I'd tell them to go and fukc themselves.

that's why we love the US education system...nothing is mandatory :P

I see the swimming tragedy as a case of folks not taking responsibility for themselves and not teaching their kids the same. Now the mindset is "the govt will save us and if they don't we'll sue." I know, take all the water away! No more bicycles, cars, planes, oil rigs, etc, either. FO
Why do muslims want to go to the US anyway? They hate the culture, the customs, the food. Stay home.

Originally Posted by lysander

Why are swimming lessons compulsory? If this had happened in the US there'd be an uproar about the guvmint forcing citizens to do things they don't want to do. If the local council busybodies came round to my house and told me I'd got to attend 'compulsory' swimming lessons I'd tell them to go and fukc themselves.

They told you you have to attend compulsory reading, writting and arithmatic classes (and the rest) did you go and tell them to fuck themselves?
Every day we have to do things we don't want to do.
Wear a seat belt in the car for example.

Originally Posted by lysander

Why are swimming lessons compulsory? If this had happened in the US there'd be an uproar about the guvmint forcing citizens to do things they don't want to do. If the local council busybodies came round to my house and told me I'd got to attend 'compulsory' swimming lessons I'd tell them to go and fukc themselves.

Stupid me ! So I could have skipped classes and hung out with the boys. Those nasty americans forced me to attend "First Aid and Health" in High School. Think I can sue those yanks for forcing me to do something I did'nt want ?

By the way...there are seperate classes for older children (the one with pimples on their face) for attending swimm classes.
Keep up the good work Switzerland !

Originally Posted by BobR

Respect for other peoples religions, no matter how silly we think they are is part of being a civilized society.

Indeed.

Originally Posted by Panda

Simple really, -- dont raise a family in Switzerland if you dont like their rules.

Logical fallacy number 38

Argument By Dismissal:
an idea is rejected without saying why.

Dismissals usually have overtones. For example, "If you don't like it, leave the country" implies that your cause is hopeless, or that you are unpatriotic, or that your ideas are foreign, or maybe all three. "If you don't like it, live in a Communist country" adds an emotive element.

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Ah the troller in chief has joined in

Allow them to avoid learning how to swim but make diving compulsory

Originally Posted by sabang

They told you you have to attend compulsory reading, writting and arithmatic classes (and the rest) did you go and tell them to fuck themselves?
Every day we have to do things we don't want to do.
Wear a seat belt in the car for example.

Yep, went to school so I could succeed in life and get a job and support myself. Lots of kids dropped out and the govt never arrested them.
Pfft, wear a seat belt, don't jaywalk, and soon...no salt or fast foods. FFS, I don't need a govt to tell me what to do, but as soon as the govt takes control and starts giving me "free" healthcare and social services, I become a little kiddie that takes no responsibility for myself. BS.
I find it hilarious that so many folks posting here live in Thailand. What do you get from the govt? Nada. I'm surprised you have not learned what is responsibility.

Originally Posted by Jesus Jones

Originally Posted by jojo333

Originally Posted by BobR

Originally Posted by oky

Originally Posted by BobR

Arrogant and unreasonable Western Governments are much more repulsive and much more of a concern to me than Muslims. Switzerland is landlocked, so why the swimming requirement? The Courts will hopefully require them to provide separate classes to accommodate peoples religious beliefs.

If you support other people's rights being arrogantly and willfully ignored, who will care when they (the Government) ignore your rights?

Switzerland is not a muslim country, there is no need for separate classes. The Swiss education system is quite good, so take it for free or leave!

No, there are decent Muslims and this is not something they thought of just to get out of PE. The Government should be obligated to provide separate male/female classes or waive the requirement upon parental demand. Respect for other peoples religions, no matter how silly we think they are is part of being a civilized society.

Islam is at war with civilization.

And you my friend are well and truly brainwashed by the media!!

Wherever you have Islam, you will have war.

Originally Posted by jojo333

Islam is at war with civilization.

What a statement.

Islam is a civilization, although gross and weird to me in many aspects. Saying Islam is at war with other civilizations would be slightly more to the point. But still a major oversimplification and generalization.

Originally Posted by oky

ever heard of lakes? rivers? Every year a lot of people - specially children - die because they never learned to swimm....ever heard of that??

Yes, don't forget backyard swimming pools. Swimming classes should be compulsory, and they are in many countries.

The tragic case this week of young people drowning in the USA whilst enjoying their local river should be a reminder of what can go wrong. Putting your kiddies in a river when they cannot swim is like letting them jump from a plane without a parachute.

Originally Posted by Dug

Originally Posted by BobR

Originally Posted by oky

Originally Posted by BobR

Arrogant and unreasonable Western Governments are much more repulsive and much more of a concern to me than Muslims. Switzerland is landlocked, so why the swimming requirement? The Courts will hopefully require them to provide separate classes to accommodate peoples religious beliefs.

If you support other people's rights being arrogantly and willfully ignored, who will care when they (the Government) ignore your rights?

Switzerland is not a muslim country, there is no need for separate classes. The Swiss education system is quite good, so take it for free or leave!

No, there are decent Muslims and this is not something they thought of just to get out of PE. The Government should be obligated to provide separate male/female classes or waive the requirement upon parental demand. Respect for other peoples religions, no matter how silly we think they are is part of being a civilized society.

Why should the government be required to provide separate classes.
I suppose you thing they should be required to supply muslim food at the school too.

Indeed. If it's your religion, you sort it out for yourself, and don't demand the govt. or society must accommodate your idiotic beliefs.

'Respect for other peoples religion'. Crap. I'd respect your right to believe any damn thing you like, but to demand and expect others to respect your idiotic fantasies is ludicrous.

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

Why do muslims want to go to the US anyway? They hate the culture, the customs, the food. Stay home.

Have you ever met an American Muslim Jet? Is there such a thing as Muslim food? Do Indonesians eat the same food as Iranians? Do you think the Muslims in Detroit are eating more falafels than BBQ chicken? America is multi-cultural, get used to it. It's you that hates what you falsely imagine to be their culture and their customs. Therefore it is you that is the hate filled problem. The Constitution allows them to practice their religion, and you disagree with it. That means it is you that doesn't like American customs and culture.

Originally Posted by Sir Wilson

Originally Posted by BobR

Respect for other peoples religions, no matter how silly we think they are is part of being a civilized society.

Indeed.

Originally Posted by Panda

Simple really, -- dont raise a family in Switzerland if you dont like their rules.

Logical fallacy number 38

Argument By Dismissal:
an idea is rejected without saying why.

Dismissals usually have overtones. For example, "If you don't like it, leave the country" implies that your cause is hopeless, or that you are unpatriotic, or that your ideas are foreign, or maybe all three. "If you don't like it, live in a Communist country" adds an emotive element.

You Sir are a funny guy....it seems you would accept anything somebody demands just 'to be part of a civilized society'. It won't work that way, there have to be rules which should suit the majority of the population and not the over-religious few...