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    UK Bureaucrats Told to Prepare for 40% Budget Cuts

    Departments told to draw up plans for 40% spending cuts

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    The Treasury has told most government departments to prepare "illustrative plans" to cut spending by 40% - as well as the expected 25% - within the month.
    Education and defence have been given some protection, and must produce plans to cut 10% and 20%. International aid and health budgets are being protected.

    The full 40% plans are unlikely to be implemented but will inform future decisions on cuts, the BBC understands.

    Labour says the news will raise fears about the future of frontline services.

    'Swingeing cuts'

    The government says cuts are needed to reduce the UK's 156bn annual budget deficit - the amount it must borrow each year to plug the gap between public income and spending.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Sawyer
    Labour says the news will raise fears about the future of frontline services.
    Maybe they should've thought about that during the preceeding decade...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Sawyer View Post
    Education and defence have been given some protection, and must produce plans to cut 10% and 20%. International aid and health budgets are being protected.
    Tories bound by dogma as they refuse to cancel the 100 billion pound replacement for trident.

    It's all about having a mercedes parked outside your tin shack.

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    How many years did the Scottish Party, oops sorry, the labour party have to do that???

    On the British web boards the labour idiots are hilarious with their 'oh the tories must do this, should do that'... muppets.

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    ^
    He has a point about Trident

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    ^ I know, but he's a Scottish *%[at]#[at], so I just wanted to offer a blatant racist dig.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    How many years did the Scottish Party, oops sorry, the labour party have to do that???

    On the British web boards the labour idiots are hilarious with their 'oh the tories must do this, should do that'... muppets.
    Point of order. There is no Scottish Labour Party. The labour party in Scotland is 100% run from London without any independent party organisation. They have a sham leader in Scotland, who is actually just their local spokesman and leads nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Begbie
    The labour party in Britain is 100% run by Scots without any independent party organisation.
    fixed it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Begbie
    The labour party in Britain is 100% run by Uncle Toms without any independent party organisation.
    fixed it.
    fixed it.

    you might want to discuss the damage the cuts will do to the economy and why as usual there is no incentive for small enterprise.
    Last edited by Begbie; 04-07-2010 at 02:30 PM. Reason: keyboard knackered

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    ^
    Actually if England were run in the same way as Scotland the place would have: better schools, less whinging and slimmer women. (IMHO)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Begbie
    you might want toi discuss th damage the cuts will do to the economy and why as usual there is no incentive for samll enterprise.
    Good point. Seems a point of contention between a few nations. Cut deficit spending too soon and the already dismal economic situation may worsen. Continue economic stimulus and deficits will widen causing long term problems. A tough decision for all but we do know premature withdrawal of stimulus results in serious damage to economy which makes recovery much harder.
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    A good analysis of the corruption of the labour party in Scotland can be found here..

    Scottish Labour


    Political anoraks already know that Scottish Labour does not exist, there is no such entity, the term is an invention of the Labour party and the Scottish media who created it in order to convince Scottish voters that there exists a separate autonomous body who decide policy for Scotland and who look after Scottish interests. There is only one Labour party, the UK Labour party, and that is it. The MSPs who sit at Holyrood have roughly the same authority and stature as a Scottish Labour councillor does

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    Good point. Seems a point of contention between a few nations. Cut deficit spending too soon and the already dismal economic situation may worsen. Continue economic stimulus and deficits will widen causing long term problems. A tough decision for all but we do know premature withdrawal of stimulus results in serious damage to economy which makes recovery much harder.
    The vain hope is that the private economy will take up the slack. The reality is that this never happened on the last go round, "Margeret Thatcher" and it's not going to happen now. Money saved on public services will have to be spent on social security for those newly unemployed due to the cuts.

    Of course it is the Labour party's fault as they should have done gradual restructing while the economy was in good shape five years ago. Being dumb greedy cnuts they did nothing.

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    The government says cuts are needed to reduce the UK's 156bn annual budget deficit - the amount it must borrow each year to plug the gap between public income and spending.

    When you spend more than you make, you have a problem.

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    Labour ... will raise fears about the future ...
    ...and pretend that they would do things somehow differently, but without specifying anything in too much detail, because no-one's really listening to them any more.

    Quote Originally Posted by Begbie View Post
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    Education and defence have been given some protection, and must produce plans to cut 10% and 20%. International aid and health budgets are being protected.
    Tories bound by dogma as they refuse to cancel the 100 billion pound replacement for trident.

    It's all about having a mercedes parked outside your tin shack.
    What? Voting Labour?

    I doubt either party were never going to scrap it.

    The reasons for having Trident goes beyond just deterrence; it's one of the few things that keeps Britain's permanent seat on the UN security council at the moment.
    If Trident goes, then it signals the slow slide into Euroblivion.

    There plenty of self-loathing anti-patriots who would be happy to see the country subsumed and destroyed and turned into some kind of identity-less diversity shithole; but there more patriots who would happily see Britain asserting it's identity, and telling the vultures where to go.

    This idea that cutting Trident instantly delivers 97,000,000,000 is misconceived... It's spread over 30 years for a start, and there would be knock on effects in terms of jobs, suppliers, training and skills.
    It's pretty difficult to know what the world will be like in 25 years - who would have predicted any of where we are now back in the late 80s?


    Originally Posted by Begbie
    The labour party in Britain is 100% run by Scots without any independent party organisation.
    I thought the Labour party is voted for and run by a combination of every fringe minority group under the sun who hijacked the original core adherents of the church of unionism mainly in post-industrial Wales and Scotland, and post-industrial urban blackspots of England; and those hijackees who still cling on to the socialist past.

    Just compare the map of poverty:
    http://www.poverty.org.uk/44/map.png
    http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/image...map226long.gif

    ...with the map of where the votes tended to go:
    UK General Election 2010 political map - Telegraph

    Labour is a disease, and the cure is enterprise (and the end of immigration); until or unless the Tories stop sustaining left-wing sacred cows, like the NHS and the benefits entitlement culture of socialism, there'll be no cure. I've lived in these deprived areas and been truly in poverty before; and I know what it's like doing the benefits stuff, and can empathise with how people in that environment can see things, and the answer to take away the crutch and give people a way out.

    A quick amputation of the gangrenous appendages of Scotland and Wales is tempting, but it's the duty of the government to reeducate these tribal areas and create the conditions to restore economic and industrial activity in these places, instead of this idiotic New Labour idea of dishing out permanent Danegeld and importing immigrant labour to effectively fund the indolence of the natives.

    Britain's economic troubles are linked to a cultural problem whereby enterprise is held back and despised; and where getting what you can out of the system is too prevalent. As with most things, education is the answer; coupled with ending the whole NI and benefits system and replacing it with a carrot and stick system of tax breaks & tax credits, and insurance and raising the tax threshhold.

    We shouldn't be talking about 1,000,000 new unemployed; but 1,000,000 new start up businesses, paid training schemes, and deportations.
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    An Idiot's Guide to Where We Are Now

    In Five Easy-To-Understand Steps..

    1. Under the Tories (Major), the Bank of England was controlled by the Cabinet. Of the G7 nations, only Britain and Japan did not have central banks that were independent of their ruling politicians (eventually this changed). The retail banks were encouraged/allowed by the BOE to lend money to anyone to buy a home with 'flexible' morrtgage offers that included "interest only" mortgages (e.g. you only paid the interest each month - no principal - becuase it was understood that house prices "values" would continue to rise and one could always sell it and pay off the bank).

    2. The Financial Services Authority was a gift to insurance companies (like deregulation had been in the US to allow anyone to lend money) except in the UK the Governments restricted the kinds of tax-savings investments leaving workers with little choice except to open very restrictive private pension schemes - often tied to the stock markets (e.g. remember ISAs and Stakeholder Pensions?). In other words, it was easy to borrow - less so to save in any meaningful way. The problems were evident as early as late 90s when really big mutual funds started to collapse - they'd been too busy investing in Dot Coms etc. The Equitable was one of the first to go. People were now losing real money.

    3. This encouragement of equities-based savings was continued throughout the Labour Govt years but by mid 2000s it was clear the average person was losing - despite the increasing house prices (if they owned one that is) they were becoming further in debt.

    4. The crash of late 2000s left no room to manouevre - Britain had built - through successive Govts (tory and labour) a system of Financial House primacy. The Too-Big-To-Fail scenario, originally called a great move by Gordon Brown - throwing public cash at the Banks to keep them afloat was only a short term solution. They expected they'd be flush soon enough, pay back everything they owed, and these institutions would start lending money again.

    5. Now too many people are out of work, the economy continues to flounder, the country is "in debt" - not because of "liberal-socialist benefit schemes for slackers", but because Britain blew its public purse on propping up "privately held corporate debt", the Pound falls because it is seen as less valuable (less and less assets behind it - just debt). So who's fault is it again?

    Don't be suckered about who's to blame or how we got here. Why should YOU or I pay for Coporate Britain's Debts? Why indeed. But pay we will - this Government will make sure we do...just like we did for the banks and big financial houses. Fool me once..fool me twice?

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    Sorry what do you mean by 'privately held corporate debt'?

    Can you give some examples.


    Broadly speaking though in answer to a question about why a citizen should pay for his Goverment's extravagance, its a simple answer. Because it was your Government that overspent.

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    ^Too true, in a real democracy we always get the government we deserve.

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    so ,are you all saying that this mess that we are in has got nothing to do with the money speculaters that have brought chaos to all of europe and the americas and other places ?
    you seem to say that it's labours fault.

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    Quote Originally Posted by billy the kid View Post
    you seem to say that it's labours fault.
    Well so to speak they were at the wheel when the school bus went over the cliff.

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    The bubble was fuelled by ordinary people borrowing their sub prime mortages (in the States) and from UK banks like Northern Rock and HBOS,

    To buy property !

    To enrich themselves!

    YES! It was greedy Joe Public borrower, borrowing money for a half million 2-bed flat to whom these institutions lent !

    On the other side of that balance sheet is the depositor. He is the person being bailed out. But the root cause is the person borrowing 6 times his salary to leverage the real estate markets. Just an ordinary bloke who has gone debt-mad.

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    Of course rather than keep unwilling Scots support England perhasp there is amore innovative solution.Giving Holyrood to the hghest bidder a sort of Tartan IPO

    Any bidders perhasp Rod Stewart and Sean Connery would fork out.Any takers,
    id like the Aberlour still any takers for barlinnie?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Ghost_Of_The_Moog View Post
    But the root cause is the person borrowing 6 times his salary to leverage the real estate markets. Just an ordinary bloke who has gone debt-mad.
    A bubble and a consumer boom with most of the real money heading east.

    The reason we have governments is to prevent this kind of crazy behaviour. In this case they were too dumb to realise there was a problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SiamLovinIt View Post
    Of course rather than keep unwilling Scots support England perhasp there is amore innovative solution.Giving Holyrood to the hghest bidder a sort of Tartan IPO

    Any bidders perhasp Rod Stewart and Sean Connery would fork out.Any takers,
    id like the Aberlour still any takers for barlinnie?
    Try harder.

    The Scottish economy was in fiscal surplus last year.

    The case for Scottish independence was strengthened today after new figures released showed that Scotland was in fiscal surplus for the fourth consecutive year. This was compared to a UK-wide deficit over the same period. The latest Government Expenditure and Revenue Scotland (GERS) report for 2008-09 includes a share of the UK Government's Financial Sector Interventions to support the banking sector.


    The figures show that Scotland generated 1.3 billion more last year than was spent; in contrast, the UK ran a budget deficit of 48.9 billion. Even when long term capital and infrastructure investments were factored in Scotland was still showing a far superior performance than the UK showing a 2.6% deficit against the UKs 6.7%.


    GERS also shows Scotland in a stronger fiscal position than the average of the major developed economies.


    The cumulative value of Scotland's current budget surplus over the four year period now stands at some 3.5 billion. Over this same period, the UK built up a deficit of 72.3 billio
    Independence boost as Scottish fiscal surplus reaches 3.5 billion

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    most of that surplus was probably given to scotland by the uk in subsidies and grants

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