Thread: Atheists are believers who hate God, says Anglican Archbishop Peter Jensen

Originally Posted by baldrick

Originally Posted by Butterfly

atheists are the biggest God believers, they are like homosexuals on denial

I think you mean agnostics

I was going to say "I wouldn't know - I'm agnostic". Now you've got me all confoosed.

^ I hate that Easter Bunny Coont and I hated my mum when she made me wear that fooking poofy Easter Bonnet shit at school.

I'd like to hate God as well but who the fook is he?

Originally Posted by Loy Toy

made me wear that fooking poofy Easter Bonnet shit at school

got any pictures?

^ No fook off...............poofy bonnet used to mess up my hair.

Originally Posted by November Rain

Originally Posted by baldrick

Originally Posted by Butterfly

atheists are the biggest God believers, they are like homosexuals on denial

I think you mean agnostics

I was going to say "I wouldn't know - I'm agnostic". Now you've got me all confoosed.

I had to look up the word to be sure. I don't see a difference between agnostics and atheists, it's a just different way to say it.

Anyway, that's besides the point as we all know that God exist, those who don't believe are really looking for an alternative kind of god. At the end, we are all believers, it's our very nature.

Religion is another matter, we all know that they all go for false gods

Originally Posted by Butterfly

I don't see a difference between agnostics and atheists

Originally Posted by Butterfly

Anyway, that's besides the point as we all know that God exist

which is why you don't understand the difference between an agnostic and an athiest.

Originally Posted by baldrick

which is why you don't understand the difference between an agnostic and an athiest.

apparently there doesn't seem to be much difference, and thank god, I am not the only one to see that

that said, you can be a skeptic and still be a believer

food for thought, a nice summary below

Agnosticism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Agnosticism can be subdivided into several categories. Recently suggested variations include:

Strong agnosticism (also called "hard," "closed," "strict," or "permanent agnosticism")
the view that the question of the existence or nonexistence of a deity or deities and the nature of ultimate reality is unknowable by reason of our natural inability to verify any experience with anything but another subjective experience. A strong agnostic would say, "I cannot know whether a deity exists or not, and neither can you."

Weak agnosticism (also called "soft," "open," "empirical," or "temporal agnosticism")
the view that the existence or nonexistence of any deities is currently unknown but is not necessarily unknowable, therefore one will withhold judgment until/if any evidence is available. A weak agnostic would say, "I don't know whether any deities exist or not, but maybe one day when there is evidence we can find something out."

Apathetic agnosticism (also called Pragmatic agnosticism)
the view that there is no proof of either the existence or nonexistence of any deity, but since any deity that may exist appears unconcerned for the universe or the welfare of its inhabitants, the question is largely academic.[citation needed]

Agnostic atheism
Agnostic atheists are atheistic because they do not have belief in the existence of any deity, and agnostic because they do not claim to know that a deity does not exist.[15]

Agnostic theism (also called "spiritual agnosticism")
the view of those who do not claim to know of the existence of any deity, but still believe in such an existence.

Ignosticism
the view that a coherent definition of a deity must be put forward before the question of the existence of a deity can be meaningfully discussed. If the chosen definition isn't coherent, the ignostic holds the noncognitivist view that the existence of a deity is meaningless or empirically untestable. A.J. Ayer, Theodore Drange, and other philosophers see both atheism and agnosticism as incompatible with ignosticism on the grounds that atheism and agnosticism accept "a deity exists" as a meaningful proposition which can be argued for or against. An ignostic cannot even say whether he/she is a theist or a nontheist until a sufficient definition of theism is put forth.[16][not in citation given]

Originally Posted by Loy Toy

I'd like to hate God as well but who the fook is he?

He...?? Are you sure? Interesting to observe how conditioned we become.

Originally Posted by Butterfly

we all know that God exist,

very bad habit of yours bf , thinking you speak for all

fok off

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This could have something to with wanting to change the subject.
Apparently the RCs think they are martyrs now because normal people dont approve of them molesting children.

Originally Posted by Butterfly

Recently suggested variations include:

Originally Posted by Butterfly

Agnostic atheism Agnostic atheists are atheistic because they do not have belief in the existence of any deity, and agnostic because they do not claim to know that a deity does not exist.[15]

as written by someone who does believe in dieties

by their reasoning I fail to see why santa claus , easter bunny , flying spagetti monster and the tooth fairy are not included in their discussions

Worth a re-post:

Originally Posted by Mid

very bad habit of yours bf , thinking you speak for all

I was assuming the educated mass, not some newsbot from the internet

Originally Posted by baldrick

as written by someone who does believe in dieties

by their reasoning I fail to see why santa claus , easter bunny , flying spagetti monster and the tooth fairy are not included in their discussions

because this has nothing to do with God. A quick definition of god can be defined as the beginning and the end of the universe, the source of cause and effect. Strangely, early philosophers had quite a good grasp of what the true definition of God meant. That becomes quickly corrupted with more complex reasoning, that just became too complex to make any sense or prove anything.

The very definition is controversial. Neverless it exists, no matter we want it or not.

The question of religion is a completely different matter. It's another set of beliefs using a god as a vehicle for those beliefs. Basically, it's human creativity.

Originally Posted by benbaaa

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Christianity has nothing to do with the true existence of God.

Originally Posted by Butterfly

A quick definition of god can be defined as the beginning and the end of the universe, the source of cause and effect.

you are defining god according to your beliefs and your structure of thought

up to you - but it does not mean that everyone must conform to your way of thinking

Originally Posted by baldrick

you are defining god according to your beliefs and your structure of thought

not really, there are universal principles. The universe is not a belief, it's there. There is a beginning and an end, like all things. They might be joined, like in a circle, but again saying that there is a beginning of the universe and an end to the universe is hardly a "belief", more like an universal principle "assumption", there are close but the later is more concrete than the former. Of course we could debate about what constitute reality and all that, but I think Descartes went through that process already and concluded that "reality" or the "world" does exist

Originally Posted by baldrick

but it does not mean that everyone must conform to your way of thinking

that's what religious zealots would argue, as much as the true atheists. They are really the 2 faces of the same coin

Philosophers have "answered" many of those questions in meaningful ways by simpling asking the right questions. Their different approach really constitute the backbone of universal principles. Again, we can go as far as saying as what is "universal" or what is "reality", because once we can answer those questions, the rest will just follow. So before God, we should even ask ourselves what is the "universe" ?

Originally Posted by Butterfly

The universe is not a belief, it's there.

only as defined by contemporary science

Originally Posted by Butterfly

There is a beginning and an end, like all things.

prove it

Originally Posted by mordred

Originally Posted by FlyFree

Burning a few Yanks can't be all bad....

Give this one a try and see how that works out for you.

Oops, another touchy Seppo. Surprise, surprise....

Originally Posted by baldrick

only as defined by contemporary science

would you care to develop by what you mean here ?

Originally Posted by baldrick

prove it

well, we have the big bang, which marks the beginning of the universe, as much as it could mark its end. The big bang did happen.

theory > contemplation or speculation

Originally Posted by Butterfly

would you care to develop by what you mean here ?

in a thousand years time I expect our perceptions to be regarded as juvenile.

and the big bang theory will be remembered on some game show