Thread: Climate scientists admit fresh error over data on rising sea levels

Originally Posted by DrB0b

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Great response. Nice to have talked to you.


TH

"scientifically illiterate" Name calling does not surprise me. That is one of hallmarks of the climate alarmists.

TH

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

Unbiased? Are you sure about that?

Didn't say it was unbiased. I said it told both sides. The author, a member of the IPCC, does make it clear he is not convinced enough to take the actions some are contemplating.

As this seems to be an old topic around here and I doubt there is much new to say on the actual subject, I will retire from dicussions except for trading insults with DrBobbie.
TH

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

Ummm, what?

This is a closed finite system. ....

Actually its not. The sun probably has more influence then anything else and even its impact varies. And we don't fully understand that either.

This is not so much about AGW itself, but about development or not. This AGW has been taken over by the eco- extremists’ faction of the environmental movement and is being used to further their anti-development agenda. “What they project is a naive vision of returning to the supposedly utopian existence in the Garden of Eden, conveniently forgetting that in the old day’s people lived to an average age of 35, and there were no dentists. In their Brave New World there will be no more chemicals, no more airplanes, and certainly no more polyester suits.”
Environmentalism for the 21st Century
TH

Originally Posted by Thaihome

This is not so much about AGW itself, but about development or not. This AGW has been taken over by the eco- extremists’ faction of the environmental movement and is being used to further their anti-development agenda. “What they project is a naive vision of returning to the supposedly utopian existence in the Garden of Eden, conveniently forgetting that in the old day’s people lived to an average age of 35, and there were no dentists. In their Brave New World there will be no more chemicals, no more airplanes, and certainly no more polyester suits.”

That is probably true for much of the Media hype and I oppose that.

But to deny that it is a closed finite environment we have a devastating effect on you need to have your head very deep in your arse. We really have to change the way we affect our environment.

I agree 100% that we (humans) can impact a local environment and should do everything possible to mitigate those problems. That is much different then saying CO2 is pollutant and at a huge cost to our current lifestyle we should cut back our emissions something like 75%. CO2 does no damage to the local environment.
TH

Originally Posted by Thaihome

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

Ummm, what?

This is a closed finite system. ....

Actually its not. The sun probably has more influence then anything else and even its impact varies. And we don't fully understand that either.

Do you understand what a closed, finite system means?

I'm not talking about external inputs.

We are a planet. Surrounded by a vacuum, just a little above absolute zero.

Some people seem to have a really hard time comprehending scale.

The earth is a rather tiny planet. We are extremely capable of altering every aspect of the atmosphere. It is not some vast, infinite thing. It's actually only a few miles in height.

Get it yet?

Originally Posted by Thaihome

I agree 100% that we (humans) can impact a local environment and should do everything possible to mitigate those problems. That is much different then saying CO2 is pollutant and at a huge cost to our current lifestyle we should cut back our emissions something like 75%. CO2 does no damage to the local environment.
TH

CO2 is a tricky little bugger though...it moves....

The little bit that we live in is not really closed though. Many many tonnes of meteors enter every year,and volcanoes introduce all sorts of materials in our little bit of earth. These two thins alone can cause massive changes,short and long term.

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

CO2 is a tricky little bugger though...it moves....

And without it, life as we know it on Earth would not exist.

TH

Originally Posted by Thaihome

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

CO2 is a tricky little bugger though...it moves....

And without it, life as we know it on Earth would not exist.

TH

That's a strange one from you. So you do recognize the importance of CO2 yet deny our massive tampering with it will have any effect?

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

Originally Posted by Thaihome

I agree 100% that we (humans) can impact a local environment and should do everything possible to mitigate those problems. That is much different then saying CO2 is pollutant and at a huge cost to our current lifestyle we should cut back our emissions something like 75%. CO2 does no damage to the local environment.
TH

CO2 is a tricky little bugger though...it moves....

But the warmists have gone cool over CO2, now they're saying methane, CH4, is the new villian on the block. CH4 is 60 times more potent than CO2 although it decays more quickly.

C'mon keep up. Before you know it it'll all be th fault of those flapping butterflies in the Amazon rainforest.

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Originally Posted by Jesus Jones

Corrected themselves after pressure from challenging scientist that have done so for the last few year.

Good god you guys are soft.

Where did it say that? I didn't see that in that article?

I did see this though;

"The sea-level statistic was used for background information only, and the updated information remains consistent with the overall conclusions,"

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The fact remains the same.... Whether its called Gwarming or climate change it is all the same ..... A complete load of garbage.....
Really when you start looking at Climate change or global warming and the crowd that follows it, they really are as fanatic as any religious cult out there....
So the climate crowd can keep their hybrid driving, tofu eating, dumpster diving, 1 square of toilet paper crowd... Keep believing that the failure of the IPC and the Cop talks were the reason for the disaster in Haiti.... Go right and keep it..... Damn you can't make this sh!t up....
btw... I kinda hope the climate crowd will take in the MORON in the US Senate who kept talking about on of her constituent who was so poor she needed to use her dead sisters dentures......... Oh and the president and his dead obama tshirt wearing constituent......
And I thought repubs were a weird bunch of well you get my meaning