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    Indian moon satellite. Nobody is hungry in India anymore.

    Indian satellite captured by Moon


    Lunar capture (LC) has been achieved; now for a closer orbit


    India is celebrating the arrival of its Chandrayaan 1 spacecraft at the Moon.
    An 817-second burn from the probe's engine on Saturday slowed Chandrayaan sufficiently for it to be captured by the lunar body's gravity.
    The craft is now in an 11-hour polar ellipse that goes out to 7,502km from the Moon and comes as close as 504km.
    Further brakings will bring the Indian satellite down to a near-circular, 100km orbit from where it can begin its two-year mapping mission.
    Launched on 22 October, Chandrayaan is India's first satellite to break away from the Earth's gravitational field and reach the lunar body. CHANDRAYAAN 1

    1 - Chandrayaan Energetic Neutral Analyzer (CENA)
    2 - Moon Impact Probe (MIP)
    3 - Radiation Dose Monitor (RADOM)
    4 - Terrain Mapping Camera (TMC)
    5 - Moon Mineralogy Mapper (M3)
    6 - Chandrayaan 1 X-ray Spectrometer (C1XS)
    7 - Solar Panel


    The mission will compile a 3D atlas of the lunar surface and map the distribution of elements and minerals.
    Powered by a single solar panel generating about 700 Watts, the Indian Space Research Organisation (ISRO) probe carries five Indian-built instruments and six constructed in other countries, including the US, Britain and Germany.
    The Indian experiments include a 30kg probe that will be released from the mothership to slam into the lunar surface.
    The Moon Impact Probe (MIP) will record video footage on the way down and measure the composition of the Moon's tenuous atmosphere.
    It will also drop the Indian flag on the surface of the Moon.


    BBC NEWS | Science & Environment | Indian satellite captured by Moon

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    Oooh.. ooh!

    Will it be able to take pictures of the moon rover and all that other junk left up there by the merkins?

    It's got a Terrain Mapping Camera



    Should get a few nice snaps with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ItsRobsLife
    take pictures of the moon rover and all that other junk left up there by the merkins?
    It would be nice to put all that conspiracy crap to rest once and for all. But then they would just say that the Indian photos were faked

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    Are they planning to eventually move all the hungry Indians up there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rattanaburi
    Are they planning to eventually move all the hungry Indians up there?
    Well if there are any "Hungry Indians", whose fault is that?

    Where did they come from?

    OH, There are in India because they have been fucking and procreating the race when there have been no way to make a living for the last couple of centurys..

    Well just who's fucking fault is that,, Not Mine,,

    And I do not think the Indian Govt forces them to do it.

    So FUCK EM.

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    Maybe the Indians will find cheese.

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    Excellent point you're attempting to make JJ, even in you're bumbling sarcastic manner. What place does India have with a space program, when a percentage of her people live near starvation...?? Good on ya!
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    But they plan to drop an Indian flag on the moon.

    Surely that's worth the expense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thormaturge View Post
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    But they plan to drop an Indian flag on the moon.

    Surely that's worth the expense.
    Is Tom Hanks in this film?

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    Similar to China . . . poverty and Space Programs financial aid from the West = logic

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    What does that have to do with anything ? Technological advancement is a necessity for huge nations like India and China, and it doesn't affect the budget or the priority of poverty reduction at all. Projects like this require a huge number of scientists which in turn stimulates the education system, the private sector, investment in cooperating and supplier companies etc etc.. Far more effective stimuli than silly feed the poor programs, as cynic as it may sound. Like it has been correctly stated by blackgang India has a population growth that is simply eating up all economic growth and wealth. So it's not really evil politicians spending on unnecessary rocket science instead of its poor that is the real problem. India has been fighting unsuccesfully for 50 years to reduce its population growth:
    India Population
    And handing out rice is a very ineffective and counterproductive way of helping the poor, education and condoms will do a far better job.

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    Yup. The poor are poor becoz their parents were poor and wanted to fuck.

    Simple solution, everyone who reaches puberty and doesn't earn enough to support a kid gets sterilised.

    Far better than all the 'feed the poor' bollix.

    Can introduce a 'involuntary euthanasia at 65' law too. So they poor don't have to look after aging parents.

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    As someone said 'More than machinery, we need humanity'

    Steralizing them is hardly fair, baring in mind the west has caused most of the poverty out there.

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    Hehe.. like I said Chairman Mao, it does often sound cynical and not very humane, and I wasn't 'blaming' the poor for being stupid and having a high reproduction rate, it was a simple pinpointing of the real issue. And this is hardly something controversial for someone familiar with the subject, it's just that past policies in India haven't been as effective as Chinas in combatting overpopulation and overpopulation it is, with an extremely high density rate even in rural areas. And they wouldn't be more effective if India cancelled its space program.

    edit: The "west" aka the UK is certainly for a good part responsible for the poverty of India, as the subcontinent was not as poor before the colonization and had a thriving textile industry, which was rivalling that of the UK, hence its suppression and impoverishment of the masses. The railways are no compensation for that as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by plorf
    edit: The "west" aka the UK is certainly for a good part responsible for the poverty of India, as the subcontinent was not as poor before the colonization and had a thriving textile industry, which was rivalling that of the UK, hence its suppression and impoverishment of the masses. The railways are no compensation for that as well.
    Nonsense.

    Britain united what was a large group of independent territories.

    Britain gave them the tea trade.

    Britain abolished slavery.

    Britain abolished child marriages.

    Britain abolished the burning of women alive as punishment.

    Britian reformed and improved the education system.

    But we also gave them cricket, possibly our most important contribution.
    Mortals you defy the Gods, I sentence you to travel among unknown stars, until you find the Kingdom of Hades, your bodies will stay as lifeless as stone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by plorf View Post
    Hehe.. like I said Chairman Mao, it does often sound cynical and not very humane, and I wasn't 'blaming' the poor for being stupid and having a high reproduction rate, it was a simple pinpointing of the real issue. it's just that past policies in India haven't been as effective as Chinas in combatting overpopulation and overpopulation it is, with an extremely high density rate even in rural areas. And they wouldn't be more effective if India cancelled its space program.
    Not even if they put the $$billions into reducing population growth in a proactive manner.

    etc etc.

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    [at] EmperorTud: all well and nice, as far as the theory goes. But the subject is rather well researched and despite these positive impacts in education, administration and infrastructure the UK completely destroyed local textile and food industry not by being more competitive but by simply closing down factories and forcing India to buy its overproduction material in order to keep its own poor employed in the UK. That and other policies produced a constant drain of wealth and raw material that completely impoverished the subcontinent and left it one of the poorest nations on earth at the end of its colonization era.
    It's socialist and grass-root policies in the centuries to follow have done little of course to improve that situation, but like I said, a good part of the blame belongs to the UK. Today India still benefits from a relatively well institutionalised administration and school system, so like with all things it's not all black and white.

    edit: and the point about sea-trade was a joke right ? India's ruling class got immensely rich with trade of spices and the such before the colonization, the very reason why Spain tried to find a more convenient sea way to India and "discovered" America. While later the UK monopolised trade and cut all the margins by directly buying/producing and exporting in India ;-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by plorf
    and the point about sea-trade was a joke right ?
    TEA trade.

    Britain stole the secrets of tea cultivation from the tiddly winks and started to grow it in India.

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    oh. misread, sry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by plorf View Post
    What does that have to do with anything ? Technological advancement is a necessity for huge nations like India and China, and it doesn't affect the budget or the priority of poverty reduction at all. Projects like this require a huge number of scientists which in turn stimulates the education system, the private sector, investment in cooperating and supplier companies etc etc.. Far more effective stimuli than silly feed the poor programs, as cynic as it may sound. Like it has been correctly stated by blackgang India has a population growth that is simply eating up all economic growth and wealth. So it's not really evil politicians spending on unnecessary rocket science instead of its poor that is the real problem. India has been fighting unsuccesfully for 50 years to reduce its population growth:
    India Population
    And handing out rice is a very ineffective and counterproductive way of helping the poor, education and condoms will do a far better job.
    wot he said!

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    Quote Originally Posted by plorf
    And handing out rice is a very ineffective and counterproductive way of helping the poor, education and condoms will do a far better job.
    Quote Originally Posted by plorf
    And they wouldn't be more effective if India cancelled its space program.
    Quote Originally Posted by Chairman Mao
    Not even if they put the $$billions into reducing population growth in a proactive manner.
    Thank God someone has an ounce of common sense & humanity, Chairman Mao . Education & condoms may not work to reduce India's poverty levels. Maybe even better social services wouldn't. Who knows? But it's gotta be a damn sight more productive than wasting money in planting a piece of material on a rock in space (40 years after the first piece of cloth was planted there), hasn't it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by November Rain
    40 years after the first piece of cloth was planted there
    Or was it ?????????

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    ^ Oh, Lord, don't start with the stupid CMN endorsed conspiracy theories. He doesn't believe in dolphins, either, y'know!

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    Quote Originally Posted by plorf
    Technological advancement is a necessity for huge nations like India and China
    True . . . but you can hardly suggest that a space program id the best technological field to spend your pennies - especially if you're one of the poorest countries on earth.
    May I then ask you why Switzerland, Sweden, Australia etc . . . don't have one? How about larger places . . . Germany, France, the UK? (Oh, and satellite technology is not the same . . . plus one can actually earn money from this venture

    Quote Originally Posted by plorf
    it doesn't affect the budget or the priority of poverty reduction at all.
    Of course it does, how can you possibly say that it doesn't when a national budget is divvied up and an extravagance like this DOES take away from others . . . logic would tell you that a pie is of a certain size. The more pieces you have the smaller the portions, eventually.

    Quote Originally Posted by plorf
    Far more effective stimuli than silly feed the poor programs
    I'm sure the poor would not agree with you, but then they can work in your sweatshops making Indian Space Program T-Shirts for 0.20c a day. The space program actually touches very few people/companies/suppliers.

    Quote Originally Posted by plorf
    So it's not really evil politicians spending on unnecessary rocket science
    Did anyone say that or are you entering the realm of gutter discussion?

    Quote Originally Posted by plorf
    India has been fighting unsuccesfully for 50 years to reduce its population growth:
    So, it is a good idea to use the funds in other ways . . . Yes, great idea.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chairman Mao
    Yup. The poor are poor becoz their parents were poor and wanted to fuck.
    Plorf and Chairman Mao . . . nice couple.


    China's annual budget (2006 figures) exceeds $2 billion

    India's annual budget (2008 figures) is close to $1 billion


    So, now India has one so Pakistan will need one . . . just like the nuclear race between the two. there is no necessity, there is only one-upmanship for these things.

    And then I ask again why these two still receive development aid from countries that don't have anything as advanced as this.

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    1. Chairman Mao was being sarcastic and thus disagrees with me. So far only Kingwilly seemed to agree with me.
    2. I was merely stating that Indias policies to reduce population growth and thus poverty has to date not been as effective as it could have been. Not saying at all the efforts were in vain or less money should go in that area, the opposite is the case.
    3. But, and this is my point, all the socialist policies to date have not achieved what IT and technology have managed, and that is to lift the living standard of millions of people and bring benefit to the whole subcontinent. Because without a broad middle class there is no money to redistribute.
    4. And nlike stated above the aim of the Indian space program is not to place a little flag on the moon, but it is just the top achievement of the Indian Space Research Organisation (Indian Space Research Organisation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)
    that actually makes money with its satellite technology ! And the aim of the mission is to measure and research the surface of the moon in a much more detailled way than has been done by any other country before and look for unknown ressources and materials. So it's rather populistic to suggest that India is funding an expensive and useless program for national prestige instead of helping its poors, because it's simply not true. India is investing and researching in technology, which is clearly a way out of poverty for this country !

    edit: Oh, and yes Switzerland and Sweden are both members and big donors of the European Space Agency, which is the second largest in the world after NASA.

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