Thread: Airline News

I think you're overtinkering.

This is what I see.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

I think you're overtinkering.

you are allowing calls to external resources that are not part of the website backend - just like allowing external ads

drive by malware vector

Originally Posted by baldrick

you are allowing calls to external resources that are not part of the website backend - just like allowing external ads

drive by malware vector

I have decent EDR and I'm not a pussy, so I can see people posting Youtube videos.

Originally Posted by SeventhSoul

Flew in and out of Xiamen Gaoqi many times

What's your opinion of the airport, facilities, procedures , etc.?

What a fucking wanker that Boeing boss is.

"We know this is a link in both accidents that we can break. That’s a software update that we know how to do … this will make the airplane even safer".

Doesn't the fucktard know that it wasn't safe in the first place, and by its inherent design, it's not safe now.

The FAA should be scrapping this aircraft and any variants that feature the same kludge.

Virgin Australia has pushed back delivery of the first of its troubled Boeing 737 MAX 8 aircraft to 2025.

The move comes after safety concerns following two disastrous aircraft crashes.

The airline has also converted 15 of its MAX 8 aircraft on order to MAX 10s, with the first deliveries delayed from November this year to July 2021.

Virgin said the restructure would result in a significant deferral of capital expenditure and provided access to the “superior economic benefits” of the MAX 10.

“I’m pleased that we have reached an agreement with Boeing to convert a further 15 of our Boeing 737 MAX 8 aircraft to MAX 10s and defer deliver of our order to July 2021,” Virgin Australia group chief executive Paul Scurrah said in a statement to the ASX on Tuesday.

“Safety is always the number one priority for Virgin Australia. As we have previously stated, we will not introduce any new aircraft to the fleet unless we are completely satisfied with its safety. We are confident in Boeing’s commitment to returning the 737 MAX to service safely and as a long-term partner of Boeing, we will be working with them through this process.

“The revised timing also results in a number of positive commercial benefits for the Group. This includes a significant deferral of capital expenditure by extending the use of existing aircraft given the relatively young age of our fleet along with providing the Group earlier access to the superior operational economics of the MAX 10 aircraft.”


It came after the CEO of Boeing defended the company’s safety record and declined to take any more than partial blame for two deadly crashes of its best-selling plane even while saying Monday that the company has nearly finished an update that “will make the airplane even safer.”

Chairman and CEO Dennis Muilenburg took reporters’ questions for the first time since accidents involving the Boeing 737 MAX in Indonesia and Ethiopia killed 346 people and plunged Boeing into its deepest crisis in years.

Mr Muilenburg said that Boeing followed the same design and certification process it has always used to build safe planes, and he denied that the MAX was rushed to market.


“As in most accidents, there are a chain of events that occurred,” he said, referring to the Lion Air crash on October 29 and the March 10 crash of an Ethiopian Airlines MAX.

“It’s not correct to attribute that to any single item.”

The news conference, held after Boeing’s annual meeting in Chicago, came as new questions have arisen around the MAX, which has been grounded worldwide since mid-March.

Southwest Airlines said over the weekend that Boeing did not disclose that a safety feature on the 737 — an indicator to warn pilots about the kind of sensor failure that has been linked to both accidents — was turned off on the MAX.

Southwest said it found out only after the first crash of the Lion Air MAX. Published reports said that federal regulators and congressional investigators are examining safety allegations relating to the MAX that were raised by about a dozen purported whistleblowers.


And the pilots’ union at American Airlines said Boeing’s proposal for additional pilot training on the MAX doesn’t go far enough. For instance, the union for American Airlines pilots wants, at a minimum, mandatory additional training to include video demonstrations of how to respond to failures of systems on the plane.

The annual meeting came six months to the day since the Lion Air crash. Mr Muilenburg told shareholders that Boeing is close to completing an upgrade to flight software on the MAX “that will ensure accidents like these never happen again.”

In the brief news conference that followed, Mr Muilenburg said — as he has several times before — that the accidents resulted from a “chain of events” that included the erroneous activation of flight software known as MCAS.

Mr Muilenburg pointed to actions by the pilots on the two flights, who he said did not “completely” follow the standard procedure when uncommanded tail movements begin to push the jet’s nose down.

Boeing has conceded that in both accidents, MCAS was triggered by faulty readings from a single sensor and pushed the planes’ noses down.

“We know this is a link in both accidents that we can break. That’s a software update that we know how to do … this will make the airplane even safer,” Mr Muilenburg said.


Mr Muilenburg took six questions from reporters, including whether he will resign — he has no intention of doing that — and left as reporters persisted, including one who pointed to the deaths of 346 people and urged the CEO to take more questions.

Besides the software update, Boeing will present the Federal Aviation Administration with a plan for training pilots on changes to MCAS. The company is pushing for training that can be done on tablet computers and, if airlines want to offer it, additional time in flight simulators when pilots are due for periodic retraining.

A requirement for training in simulators would further delay the return of the MAX because of relatively small number of flight simulators. The union for American Airlines pilots wants mandatory additional training on checklists for responding to certain emergencies.

“Not every pilot that goes out there and flies is a Boeing test pilot,” said Dennis Tajer, a 737 pilot and spokesman for the pilots’ union at American. “The responsibility to train those men and women doesn’t rest just with the airlines, it rests with Boeing and the FAA too. If something happens anywhere in the world, it affects all of us.”


During the one-hour annual meeting, shareholders elected all 13 company-backed board nominees, including newcomer Nikki Haley, the former South Carolina governor who lobbied for a Boeing plant there, and former U.S. ambassador to the United Nations.

Several shareholder resolutions were defeated, including one to name an independent chairman whenever possible instead of letting the CEO hold both jobs.

A chairman-CEO “is not always a bad thing, but at times of crisis it’s hardly ever a good idea,” said Matt Brubaker, CEO of business-strategy consultant FMG Leading, who was not involved in the debate. “The place they are in now, they need the scrutiny of an inwardly focused CEO to drive change.”

https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/incidents/boeing-ceo-dennis-muilenburg-refuses-to-admit-flaws-in-737-max-8-aircraft/news-story/391433575d9985759c1197eecf9309be

While pondering my luck last night when I was confronted by a 737-800 which was my ride after the embraer flight scheduled to depart 9 hours prior was canceled, it occurred to me there was not a Boeing 717.

So I looked it up and apparently there was, a rebadged MD-95 from Boeing takeover of MD

I looked at those flattened nacelles last night as I climbed the stairs behind a quintet of black shapeless cloth eyes and thought, Fark it is a 737-8, and I had thought they were all grounded

My first visit to Comoros was a brief stop

^ Nothing wrong with the 737-800, which has been ferrying people around safely for years. The max is the next generation to an already old aircraft, which may be a stretch too far.

Originally Posted by Troy

^ Nothing wrong with the 737-800, which has been ferrying people around safely for years. The max is the next generation to an already old aircraft, which may be a stretch too far.

It's not the "next generation" at all.

It's the same aircraft with bigger engines, put too far up the wing to make it safe to fly.

It's a fucking disaster and should be grounded permanently.

They rushed it to market to stop Airbus mopping up the business, and they've killed people with the help of the FAA.

People.should.go.to.jail.for.this.

May 03 2019
A private charter airplane carrying 136 passengers and seven crew members skidded off the end of the runway at Naval Air Station in Jacksonville Friday night and into the St. Johns River, but no one was killed.
Naval Air Station Jacksonville issued a statement Friday night stating that the plane, a Boeing 737 arriving from Naval Station Guantanamo Bay in Cuba, had slid off the runway into the St. Johns River about 9:40 p.m.
An investigation into the “mishap” is underway, NAS Jacksonville said.
The plane is owned by Miami Air International, which operates charter flights from Guantanamo to Naval air stations in Jacksonville and Norfolk, Virginia. The flights typically carry members of the military being rotated on or off assignments on the base, family members and VIPs.

Accident: Miami B738 at Jacksonville on May 3rd 2019, runway overrun on landing, aircraft ends up in river
A Miami Air International Boeing 737-800, registration N732MA performing flight GL-293 from Guantanamo Bay Naval Air Station (Cuba) to Jacksonville Naval Air Station,FL (USA) with 136 passengers and 7 crew, landed on Jacksonville NAS's runway 10 at 21:42L (01:42Z May 4th) but overran the end of the runway and came to a stop in the shallow waters of St. John's River about 380 meters/1250 feet past the end of the runway and was partially submerged. All occupants were able to evacuate the aircraft, 21 occupants were taken to hospitals with non-critical injuries.

"If it's a Boeing, I'm not fucking going!"

737-800s are great airplanes and very safe. I hate flying, but I feel reassured as I can be when I'm on a 737-800.

The 737-max or DC10, maybe not so much...

Originally Posted by Takeovers

You wrote this in context with the 737 max and I fully agree. I just think before anyone from Boeing gets a murder charge, someone from the FAA should be nailed at the cross as a warning for letting it happen in the first place.

They both should. Someone arranged for Boeing to get a free pass and you can guarantee someone high up in Boeing asked for it.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

It's not the "next generation" at all.

It's the same aircraft with bigger engines, put too far up the wing to make it safe to fly.

It's a fucking disaster and should be grounded permanently.

They rushed it to market to stop Airbus mopping up the business, and they've killed people with the help of the FAA.

People.should.go.to.jail.for.this.

It's a next generation in terms of 737, in that the 100/200/300 were first generation, the 400/500 were the next with glass cockpit, the 700/800/900 were the next with a stretch and the 800/900 max the next with new generation engines. To me, the 400 series was the real classic and the 500 was too short as a passenger aircraft, being designed for cargo but BA, amongst others, used as passenger.

The max should not have been certified to fly with the MCAS fudge, but the bean counters are to blame not the engineers. Too many times I've had to make political solutions work that were technical disasters. That's half the problem of engineering.

Originally Posted by Troy

The max should not have been certified to fly with the MCAS fudge, but the bean counters are to blame not the engineers. Too many times I've had to make political solutions work that were technical disasters. That's half the problem of engineering.

This wasn't a political decision, simply a financial one. If they didn't have a competitor to the NEO quickly, they would have lost a shitload of orders (in fact they did).

Boeing relied on single sensor for 737 Max that had been flagged 216 times to FAA

Washington (CNN)The device linked to the Boeing 737 Max software that has been scrutinized after two deadly crashes was previously flagged in more than 200 incident reports submitted to the Federal Aviation Administration, but Boeing did not flight test a scenario in which it malfunctioned, CNN has learned.

The angle-of-attack (AOA) sensor, as it's known, sends data to a 737 Max software system that pushes the nose of the aircraft down if it senses an imminent stall. That software, triggered by erroneous data from AOA sensors, is believed to have played a role in crashes of Lion Air and Ethiopian Airlines jets.

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https://edition.cnn.com/2019/04/30/p...faa/index.html

Originally Posted by OhOh

What's your opinion of the airport, facilities, procedures , etc.?

Just another airport, with Chinese characteristics.

^^ That's a very corrupted view on type certification.

I wouldn't believe everything you read in the press. The idea is to improve the process not to crucify it.

Originally Posted by Troy

^^ That's a very corrupted view on type certification.

I wouldn't believe everything you read in the press. The idea is to improve the process not to crucify it.

No, the idea is to stop the Republicans trying to privatise the FAA and make it impossible for Boeing to certify deathtraps by hiding the flaws.

This has been going on a long time, and there was a detailed report that recommended changes to the FAA that has never been implemented.

The FAA has been a puppet of the airlines and aircraft manufacturers for too long now.

In 2007, two FAA whistleblowers, inspectors Charalambe "Bobby" Boutris and Douglas E. Peters, alleged that Boutris said he attempted to ground Southwest after finding cracks in the fuselage of an aircraft, but was prevented by supervisors he said were friendly with the airline. This was validated by a report by the Department of Transportation which found FAA managers had allowed Southwest Airlines to fly 46 airplanes in 2006 and 2007 that were overdue for safety inspections, ignoring concerns raised by inspectors. Audits of other airlines resulted in two airlines grounding hundreds of planes, causing thousands of flight cancellations. The House Transportation and Infrastructure Committee held hearings in April 2008. Jim Oberstar, former chairman of the committee, said its investigation uncovered a pattern of regulatory abuse and widespread regulatory lapses, allowing 117 aircraft to be operated commercially although not in compliance with FAA safety rules. Oberstar said there was a "culture of coziness" between senior FAA officials and the airlines and "a systematic breakdown" in the FAA's culture that resulted in "malfeasance, bordering on corruption". In 2008 the FAA proposed to fine Southwest $10.2 million for failing to inspect older planes for cracks, and in 2009 Southwest and the FAA agreed that Southwest would pay a $7.5 million penalty and would adopt new safety procedures, with the fine doubling if Southwest failed to follow through.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federa...Administration

There are some board members and execs rubbing their grubby little hands in anticipation I'd hazard.

Prolly ask for discounted Max 9's as well.

Thai Airways International is seeking cabinet approval to buy or lease 38 new planes at an estimated cost of 156 billion baht. In the proposal 31 planes will be acquired over the next five years.

Thai Airways president Sumeth Damrongchaitham says the proposal would reach Deputy PM Somkid Jatusripitak this week and be put to the cabinet later this month.

Khun Sumeth says the procurement would be by purchase or leasing and the new planes a mix of wide and narrow body jets. The first phase was for 31 planes to replace old ones within five years, and the second would be for seven new aircraft to bolster the fleet.

Management are also asking the airline board to approve a new Bangkok-Sendai route, intended to be launched this November in time for the high season. Also under investigation is the Bangkok-Manchester route, but the airline was yet to conduct a thorough study, according to the airline president.

He said he hoped the airline could be trading in profit again by mid 2020. Thai Airways has been struggling for over a decade as local competition from new budget airlines cuts into its passenger loads and earning capacity.

https://thethaiger.com/news/business...4c5e5-33533131