Moscow blames Israel for the Russian military plane shot down by Syrian air defense

[misskit]

Moscow has blamed Israel for the destruction of an Ilyushin Il-20 Russian military surveillance plane by Syrian air defense and the deaths of 15 Russian servicemen aboard the aircraft.

According to Defense Ministry spokesman Igor Konashenkov, four Israeli F-16s bombed the city of Lattakia on the evening of September 17, without warning Moscow, “creating a dangerous situation for surface ships and aircraft in the area.” The Israeli jets allegedly used the Ilyushin Il-20 as cover against Syrian air defense, resulting in a Syrian S-200 missile striking and destroying the Russian plane.


“We regard these provocative actions by Israel as hostile,” Konashenkov warned, adding that Russia “reserves the right to respond adequately.”


Wreckage of the Ilyushin Il-20 was discovered roughly 17 miles west of Lattakia.


Blue lines indicate the path of the Israeli warplanes, and the red line shows the path of the Ilyushin Il-20. Russian Defense Ministry


At the time of this writing, neither the Syrian nor Israeli government has commented on the downed Russian military plane.

https://meduza.io/en/news/2018/09/18...an-air-defense

[harrybarracuda]

So it's the Israelis fault that SYRIA SHOT DOWN A RUSSIAN PLANE.

Maybe you shouldn't have given them those shiny new missiles then, eh Vlad?

[Neverna]

I can see it all blowing up in the not too distant future. It's what the Yanks want anyway. It will escalate and end up as World War III.

[HuangLao]

I can see it all blowing up in the not too distant future. It's what the Yanks want anyway. It will escalate and end up as World War III.

Or something akin to this.

Another nasty and destructive step towards expansion of empire.

[Topper]

Another nasty and destructive step towards expansion of empire.

Yawn....

[harrybarracuda]

I can see it all blowing up in the not too distant future. It's what the Yanks want anyway. It will escalate and end up as World War III.

If it was ever going to blow up, it would have done it in 2011.

It's just skirmishes now, with comedy moments like this one.

[Klondyke]

https://meduza.io/en/news/2018/09/18...an-air-defense

A "meduza" knows it all and in advance. Something like the funny dancing Ms. Marple and her silly clown knew the first day about Novichok...

There are sometimes news stations airing in advance what is to happen 20 min. later...

[foobar]

.......comedy moments like this one.

Not sure anyone in their right mind would describe the deaths of 15 Russian servicemen as a "comedy moment".

[harrybarracuda]

Not sure anyone in their right mind would describe the deaths of 15 Russian servicemen as a "comedy moment".

Fuck them. They've murdered hundreds of thousands of innocent people and driven millions from their homes.

If you want sympathy, it's between shit and syphilis in the dictionary.

[OhOh]

A large chunk:

"The setup is pretty clear. Israel and France coordinated an attack on multiple targets within Syria without US involvement but with absolute US knowledge of the operation to provoke Russia into going off half-cocked by attacking the inconsequential French frigate which assisted Israel’s air attack.

Any denunciation of sinister intent by Israeli Defense Forces is hollow because if they had not intended to provoke a wider conflict they would have given Russia more than one minute to clear their planes from the area.

That would constitute an attack on a NATO member state and require a response from NATO, thereby getting the exact escalation needed to continue the war in Syria indefinitely and touch off WWIII.

Peace was breaking out in Syria and Israel and the war-hawks in D.C. weren’t standing for that.

By conducting this attack like this Israel and the NATO crowd figured it would be a win/win for them.

If Russia strikes back at France, then NATO invokes Article 5 and they get their wider war.

If Russia doesn’t strike back Putin loses face within Russia, his popularity drops 5 points and John Bolton begins salivating at the prospect of regime change in Russia.

Yes, they are that insane.

It was a neat piece of geopolitical maneuvering, almost judo-like. Russia and Syria looked to be on the verge of victory, extending themselves in a major conflict that would result in months of bad press. We were expecting a possible false-flag chemical weapons attack, cries of humanitarian crisis and all the rest of the tired virtue-signaling we can expect by US ‘diplomatic’ officials that has been all too common even under Trump.

What we got was the opposite, a carefully-crafted assault on Russian military forces wherein Russia’s vaunted air-defense systems would be blamed for its own people’s deaths and a mistaken counter-attack that justifies the “Putin is a Vile War-Monger” narrative to justify a US invasion of Syria which has been held in amber since 2013 and Putin’s skillful defusing that situation via diplomatic means.

For once, this almost looked like a well-thought out plan. Not the usual ham-fisted crudities we’ve been treated to over the last few years. But, here’s the rub.

It didn’t work.

By naming names and immediately not responding militarily during the ‘fog of war’ Russia and Putin again prove to be more skilled at this than their adversaries.

Because none of what I just outlined will come to pass. And France, Israel and the US will be the ones to lose face here. And with Israel betraying Putin’s forbearance after April’s air strikes on Damascus, he will have no choice but to upgrade Syria’s air defense systems from S-200’s to S-300’s and possibly S-400’s.

This is Israel’s worst nightmare. A situation where any aerial assault on targets within Syria would be suicide missions, puncturing the myth of the Israeli air force’s superiority and shifting the delicate balance of power in Syria decidedly against them.

This is why Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu worked Putin so hard over the last two years. But, this incident wipes that slate clean. This was a cynical betrayal of Putin’s trust and patience. And Israel will now pay the price for their miscalculation.

Giving Syria S-300’s does not avenge the fifteen dead Russian soldiers. Putin will have to respond to that in a more concrete way to appease the hardliners in his government and at home. His patience and seeming passivity are being pushed to their limit politically. This is, after all, a side benefit to all of this for the neoconservative and globalist hawks in D.C., Europe and Tel Aviv.

But, the real loss here for Israel will be Russia instituting a no-fly zone over western Syria. Any less response from Putin will be seized upon by and the situation will escalate from here. So, Putin has to deploy S-300’s here. And once that happens, the real solution to Syria begins in earnest.

Because at that point it will be the US’s move to flat-out invade without provocation, now that a solution is in place in Syria between Russia and a NATO member, Turkey.

The only good news in all of this is that US forces were not involved. This still tells me that Trump and Mattis are still in charge of their chain of command and that other forces are conspiring to drag them into a conflict no one in their right minds wants."

More at:

https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2018/09/19/israel-failed-attempt-start-wwiii-beginning-end-syria.html

A similar opinion here:

https://www.fort-russ.com/2018/09/fu...erates-france/

One presumes the evidence will be found at the planes crash site, Whose missile was used and the radar readouts from Russia, Turkish, Israeli, French and ameristani radar and satellite sources would be useful.

[harrybarracuda]

Which of these escaped mental patients do you believe, or do you just post all this shit to demonstrate your shit whackjob website bookmark collection?

[SKkin]

There are sometimes news stations airing in advance what is to happen 20 min. later...

Like the BBC and WTC7 eh...?

[Neverna]

Next step ...

Russia to supply S-300 to Syria within 2 weeks after Il-20 downing during Israeli raid - MoD

Within two weeks Russia will complete the delivery to Damascus of an S-300 air defense system previously suspended on a request by Israel as part of a response to the downing of a Russian plane amid an Israeli raid on Syria.

Russia will supply the weapons to the Syrian side as part of response to the downing of a Russian Il-20 aircraft amid an Israeli air raid on Syrian territory, the Russian defense ministry announced.

Moscow accused Israel of failing to inform Russia about its impending attack on targets in Syria, which resulted in a downing of the Russian electronic warfare aircraft by Syrian’s return fire. Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered the defense ministry to take several measures in response to the incident, the ministry said in a statement on Monday.

Arguably, the most concerning thing for Israel will be the delivery to Syria of an S-300 anti-aircraft system, which will boost Syria’s capabilities to deny Israel access to its airspace. The system was purchased by Damascus several years ago, but never delivered.

“In 2013 on a request from the Israeli side we suspended the delivery to Syria of the S-300 system, which was ready to be sent with its Syrian crews trained to use it,” the statement said.

“The situation has changed, and not due to our fault.”

The S-300 is a relatively modern system capable of engaging targets at the range of up to 250 km. Syria’s current anti-aircraft systems are older models that didn’t stop Israel from attacking targets on Syrian territory.

The Russian military will also supply better control systems to Syrian Air Defense Troops, “which are only supplied to the Russian Armed Forces,” defense chief Sergei Shoigu elaborated. This will allow integration of Syrian and Russian military assets, allowing the Syrian to have better targeting information. “The most important thing is that it will ensure identification of Russian aircraft by the Syrian air defense forces.” Potentially it would also expose Israeli aircraft tracked by Russian radar stations to Syrian fire.

The third measure announced by the Russian defense ministry is a blanket of electronic countermeasures over Syrian coastline, which would “suppress satellite navigation, onboard radar systems and communications of warplanes attacking targets on Syrian territory.”

Shoigu said the measures are meant to “cool down ‘hotheads’ and prevent misjudged actions posing a risk to our service members.” He added that if such a development fails to materialize, the Russian military “would act in accordance to the situation.”

Last week, a Russian Il-20 plane with 15 people on board was shot down by a Syrian anti-aircraft missile over the Mediterranean Sea off the coast of Latakia governorate. The Syrians fired in response to an Israeli air raid on its soil.

Russia laid the blame for the downing on Israel, saying that the Israeli military failed to inform their Russian counterpart in time for the Il-20 to be moved to a safe area. They also said the Israelis may have deliberately used the Russian plane as a cover, expecting that the Syrians would not dare to fire at their F-16 fighter jets with the Russian plane nearby.

The Israelis denied the allegations and said they took all proper precautions and didn’t use the Il-20 as a cover. The explanations, however, failed to convince Moscow.




https://www.rt.com/news/439190-russi...ning-reaction/

[harrybarracuda]

Gets aircraft shot down by Syrian missiles.

Gives Syria more missiles.

What could possibly go wrong?

[bsnub]

^ Well you can not suppress stupid. I guarantee you that Earl and the lemmings will be spewing Moskows supplied talking points. What a bunch of simple idiots.

[Neverna]

Next step ...

Russia to supply S-300 to Syria within 2 weeks after Il-20 downing during Israeli raid - MoD

Syria gets S-300 missile system & more from Russia in wake of Il-20 downing

The S-300 air defense system and dozens of additional hardware pieces have been delivered to the Syrian military to boost security of Russian personnel there, Russian Defense Minister, Sergey Shoigu, told President Vladimir Putin.

“We have completed the delivery of the S-300 system,” Shoigu said Tuesday. The hardware supplied to Syria consisted of 49 pieces of military equipment, including radars, control vehicles and four launchers, he added.

https://www.rt.com/news/440152-russi...rs-s300-syria/



https://www.rt.com/news/440175-s300-...y-syria-video/