Thread: New Zealand can now fine travellers who refuse to unlock their digital devices for a

Originally Posted by jamescollister

This is nothing new, except maybe the fine, Australian border control can confiscate any device you fail to unlock for inspection.
As to reasonable/probable cause, not even on the books, don't want to comply, get detained, deported if on a visa or held for further inquires if a citizen.

You may be able to get a police check done for personal data, but no chance you can get an Interpol or international check for flags, not part of freedom of information acts.

Actually it looks like the fucking convicts are at it as well. From 24th August:

Under new legislation, proposed last week, the ABF would be given additional search powers and the penalties for individuals refusing to provide access to the ABF to evidence held in a device – for example, refusing to share their password to unlock a device – would be up to five years’ imprisonment, or 10 for serious offences.
An exposure draft of the bill revealed the obligation to assist police and other agencies in unlocking devices, including by de-encrypting data, would extend to tech giants such as Facebook, Apple and Google.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...privacy-groups

One would like to think the large-pocketed tech companies will tell them to do one via a bank of expensive lawyers.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Said AO, brandishing his state of the art smartphone.

You are getting weaker, more and more posts but but but.... Well you do know Harry..

Originally Posted by aging one

You are getting weaker, more and more posts but but but.... Well you do know Harry..

You're the one talking gobshite you silly fucker.

Most people know how to click icons these days, I can navigate through most frequently used websites and applications no matter what language they're in, and that includes Arabic, Thai, whatever.

The buttons are usually in the same place you tit.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Lets say some bored knuckle dragger who works in customs sees a pretty girl and decides he wants to check her phone for nude selfies...

He can do it without so much as a by your leave.

That is right and very problematic.

I revise my "probable cause is good enough". As mentioned, nothing less than a search warrant is good enough.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Actually it looks like the fucking convicts are at it as well. From 24th August:




One would like to think the large-pocketed tech companies will tell them to do one via a bank of expensive lawyers.

Don't think so, OZ laws are not the same as USA laws, do as told or don't sell your product in Australia, Amazon and import taxes, Amazon pulled out of overseas sales.

Question would be which companies would refuse to comply, those that comply sell or have services in Australia, those that don't, don't do business.

Cost benefit, do as told or lose the market, sure big tech companies would be happy to take up the slack if apple, or other providers were banned.

Big brother is here, high tech, or as I found out last time back in Australia [Victoria] can't catch a bus without a card, no cash and every movement is recorded.

Originally Posted by jamescollister

Don't think so, OZ laws are not the same as USA laws, do as told or don't sell your product in Australia, Amazon and import taxes, Amazon pulled out of overseas sales.

Question would be which companies would refuse to comply, those that comply sell or have services in Australia, those that don't, don't do business.

Cost benefit, do as told or lose the market, sure big tech companies would be happy to take up the slack if apple, or other providers were banned.

Big brother is here, high tech, or as I found out last time back in Australia [Victoria] can't catch a bus without a card, no cash and every movement is recorded.

You say that James but you forget the influence these people have.

Remember when the Feds ended up paying a million to a hacker unlock an iPhone because they could not force Apple to do it through the courts?

It all depends on the law, and when it comes to that these tech giants have very, very deep pockets and the ability to influence the court of public opinion (and thus the politicians).

Harry they banned a Chinese 5 G cell phone/internet network company setting up shop in Australia, where are apple Phones/computers made.

It's all right to spy on your own citizens, but can't let baddies, politicians, billionaires get caught up in the web of deceit.

Everything you do, from catching a train to walking into a supermarket is recorded, your credit card has a chip, depending where you live, your computerized water meter can tell when you have a dump.

So looking at your lap top is really nothing, catches small fish, looks like they are doing something.

which is why people will start to use their phones as slim clients soon

you will keep all your apps,contacts , data encrypted on a virtual server and cross the draconian fences with a blank device

these are just more laws by the same luddites who thought they could just block websites they did not agree with

jabir,,,I Agree............

Originally Posted by baldrick

which is why people will start to use their phones as slim clients soon

you will keep all your apps,contacts , data encrypted on a virtual server and cross the draconian fences with a blank device

these are just more laws by the same luddites who thought they could just block websites they did not agree with

'Bout right.