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    Iranian Nobel Peace laureate Shirin Ebadi urges protesters to stay on the streets

    Iran's most famous human rights lawyer and Nobel Peace laureate Shirin Ebadi has urged anti-government protesters to stay on the streets.

    Iranians should engage in civil disobedience, Ebadi was quoted as saying in Saudi-owned daily Asharq Al-Awsat.

    "If the government has not listened to you for 38 years, your role has come to ignore what the government says to you now," she said.

    Ebadi was in 2003 the first Muslim to be awarded the Nobel Peace Prize for her efforts to promote human rights, in particular, the rights of women, children, and political prisoners in Iran.
    One of the first female judges in Iran, she served as president of the city court of Tehran from 1975 to 1979 and was the first Iranian woman to achieve Chief Justice status. In 2004, she was named as one of the 100 most powerful women in the world by Forbes Magazine.

    Now living in London, she is one of a number of exiled critics of Iran's leadership.

    Ebadi said that the constitution gave Iranians the right to hold demonstrations and urged protesters to stop paying utility bills and taxes. She also urged Iranians to withdraw their money from state banks to put the government under economic pressure to force it to stop resorting to violence and to meet their demands.

    Ebadi also questioned the truth of Iranian state reports on numbers of arrests and casualties since protests erupted a week ago over the standards of living.

    "The government says up to 700 were arrested but I am certain that the number of detainees and casualties is much more than that," she said, attributing the difference to "the conditions that prevent the press from performing their mission in following up the matter, and therefore the media can't prepare precise reports.

    "But what is for sure is that the number of detainees is high," Ebadi said.
    Iran officials have said 21 people have died in the unrest. UN Secretary-General Antonio Guterres has deplored the loss of life and said further violence must be avoided.

    On Wednesday, head of Iran's Revolutionary Guards Mohammad Ali Jafari declared the "sedition" was over, as pro-government rallies were arranged across the country.

    https://www.alaraby.co.uk/english/ne...rs-to-continue

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    ^There are also other supporters. (Sorry cannot find it on VoA)




    ‘Leader, we’re ready!’ 10,000s march in Iran in support of govt & Khamenei (PHOTO, VIDEO)
    Published time: 3 Jan, 2018 14:09

    https://www.rt.com/news/414900-iran-...rt-government/
    Can anyone find a woman on this staged protest ?

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    ^ Iraq (or rather Saddam) made the fatal error of allowing itself to be roughly 5/6th disarmed by the UN. And of course, then the US (and a coalition of similar villains) invaded, under false pretenses- outright lies in fact. Even that turned out to be a monumental disaster, and a major blow to what once might have been termed US military prestige.

    Now imagine the same thing being attempted with Iran- a country much more militarily powerful than Iraq ever was (even before UN disarming), a more battle hardened army, much larger and more populous, and much more geographically complex. Plus, rather inconveniently straddling the Straits of Hormuz- thru' which much of the worlds oil passes.

    Outright lunacy, both suicidal and genocidal. So of course Trump and his Zionist paymasters might just attempt it- although I doubt they would put boots on the ground, rather bombs & missiles. And the whole world would promptly be plunged into recession. Unlikely, methinks. Neither would it instigate 'regime change'- rather, entrench the Mullahs.
    probes Aliens

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    ......but also widespread corruption, and a mismanaged economy. Excellent reporting from The Grauniad which, when it is not too busy trying to sabotage Brexit, is still capable of such.
    You can witness corruption every time their is an earthquake in Iran, and they have quite a few. The newly build houses fall apart like the cement is missing.


    Iran could be a great country, if it could only unlock those shackles called Islam.

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    (Above post in response to Klondyke's post #25).
    Herman's posts not worth responding too, as usual.
    Suggest you and RPeter find a room together.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    But the average Iranian is suffering economically, partially due to foreign sanctions but also widespread corruption, and a mismanaged economy.
    But the average Iranian is suffering due to widespread corruption, mismanaged economy, teaching/supporting religion (Tax free Mullahs Institutes & Co. .....bet you didn't know ), fighting Israel, spreading Islam in the world, paying and supporting a german SS called the Revolutionary Guard,.........the list goes on and is very long.

    Just imagine they could get rid of these sufferings. The sanctions would be lifted like magic or would have never been there in the first place.
    Now c'mmon boys and girls "Was that too hard to figure out ?"

    P.S. Sabang: have you tried a change of pace like moving? You know like DrB0p. Does wonders and gives you new perspectives.

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    Oh, the Iranians are suffering under corruption. This we (us from guaranteed uncorrupted countries) cannot tolerate, can we?

    (Off Topic: BTW, wasn't the corruption of the Ukraine's president the main reason for the enormous Western support of the Maidan revolution in 2013? How lucky they are now after 4 years - w/o corruption...)

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    entrench the Mullahs
    How were they entrenched in the first place?


    "If you lift up Khomeini's beard, you will find Made In England written under his chin." ~ The Shah of Iran aka Mohammad Reza Shah Pahlavi


    Western intelligence agencies put the Shah in power and then took him out a quarter of a century later...and replaced him with their man Khomeini.


    Excerpt from F. William Engdahl's book, A Century of War: Anglo-American Oil Politics and the New World Order:

    "In November 1978, President Carter named the Bilderberg group's George Ball, another member of the Trilateral Commission, to head a special White House Iran task force under the National Security Council's Brzezinski. Ball recommended that Washington drop support for the Shah of Iran and support the fundamentalistic Islamic opposition of Ayatollah Khomeini. Robert Bowie from the CIA was one of the lead 'case officers' in the new CIA-led coup against the man their covert actions had placed into power 25 years earlier.

    Their scheme was based on a detailed study of the phenomenon of Islamic fundamentalism, as presented by British Islamic expert, Dr. Bernard Lewis, then on assignment at Princeton University in the United States. Lewis's scheme, which was unveiled at the May 1979 Bilderberg meeting in Austria, endorsed the radical Muslim Brotherhood movement behind Khomeini, in order to promote balkanization of the entire Muslim Near East along tribal and religious lines. Lewis argued that the West should encourage autonomous groups such as the Kurds, Armenians, Lebanese Maronites, Ethiopian Copts, Azerbaijani Turks, and so forth. The chaos would spread in what he termed an 'Arc of Crisis,' which would spill over into Muslim regions of the Soviet Union.

    The coup against the Shah was run by British and American intelligence, with the bombastic American, Brzezinski, taking public 'credit' for getting rid of the 'corrupt' Shah, while the British characteristically remained safely in the background.

    During 1978, negotiations were under way between the Shah's government and British Petroleum for renewal of the 25-year old extraction agreement. By October 1978, the talks had collapsed over a British 'offer' which demanded exclusive rights to Iran's future oil output, while refusing to guarantee purchase of the oil. With their dependence on British-controlled export apparently at an end, Iran appeared on the verge of independence in its oil sales policy for the first time since 1953, with eager prospective buyers in Germany, France, Japan and elsewhere."
    Excerpt from Robert Dreyfuss' book, Hostage to Khomeini:

    "The mullahs did not come to rule in Iran on the basis of their own power; they were placed in power by men more evil than they - who would use the depravity of backwardness for their own ends.

    In September 1975, the Aspen Institute held a symposium in Persepolis, Iran. The public side of the transactions was published years later under the title of Iran: Past, Present, and Future. In the behind-the-scenes discussion, the plans for reversing the Shah's industrialization program and for turning Iran into a model dark ages regime were mapped out. It is a bitter twist of history, that the Shah and his wife Empress Farah Diba witlessly provided huge amounts of funding to the Aspen project.

    Attending the Persepolis symposium were at least a dozen members of the Club of Rome, including its chairman, Aureho Peccei; Sol Linowitz of Coudert Brothers law firm; Jacques Freymond of the Institute of International Studies in Geneva; and Robert 0. Anderson and Rarlan Cleveland, both Aspen Institute officials and associates of the Club of Rome in the United States. Other luminaries were also on hand: Charles Yost, Catherine Bateson, Richard Gardner, Theo Sommer, Daniel Yankelovitch, John Oakes of the New York Times, and the cream of Anglo-Amencan intelligence specialists on Iran, such as James Bill, Marvin Zonis, Leonard Binder, Rouhollah Ramazani, and Charles Issawi.

    The Aspen Institute session stressed a single theme: modernization and industry undermine the "spiritual, nonmaterial" values of ancient Iranian society, and these values must he preserved above all else."
    Crazy, eh?

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    Anyone who is stupid enough not to see this as a standard AMERICAN and islrael ploy to start a war is a bloody idiot.

    MURICA labelled IRAN for regime change in 2000 (PNAC) along with Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan.

    Their MO is always the same -

    1 Infiltrate, fund, arm, organise protesters.
    2 Say "It is an internal issue, but people should be allowed to protest".
    3 Ratchet up the protests until the government clamps down
    4 World Press "THEY ARE KILLING CIVILICIANS>>>>> WE MUST DO SOMETHING"
    5 We will bomb them for Freedom. Come on folks, get the invoices ready, lets go.

    And stupid fuckers wave their flags chanting USA USA USA as more people die for the ubers richs kicks.

    Harry the pigeonnosher is a prime example of how this works - pig ignorant and a complete and utter flag waving tool. See above.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pseudolus View Post
    Anyone who is stupid enough not to see this as a standard AMERICAN and islrael ploy to start a war is a bloody idiot.

    MURICA labelled IRAN for regime change in 2000 (PNAC) along with Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan.

    Their MO is always the same -

    1 Infiltrate, fund, arm, organise protesters.
    2 Say "It is an internal issue, but people should be allowed to protest".
    3 Ratchet up the protests until the government clamps down
    4 World Press "THEY ARE KILLING CIVILICIANS>>>>> WE MUST DO SOMETHING"
    5 We will bomb them for Freedom. Come on folks, get the invoices ready, lets go.

    And stupid fuckers wave their flags chanting USA USA USA as more people die for the ubers richs kicks.

    Harry the pigeonnosher is a prime example of how this works - pig ignorant and a complete and utter flag waving tool. See above.
    Watch and learn, gormless little wanker.

    The Iranians will maintain their grip on power by a repetition of the beatings, jailings and extrajudicial killings they used the last time.

    No fucker cared then, and no fucker cares now.

    This imaginary invasion the Americans have supposedly been planning since the Bush administration exists only in the minds of a few whackjobs who've forgotten to take their meds - and which is lapped up by predictable stool pigeons like yourself.


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    Utterly clueless. You really are such a toady.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pseudolus View Post
    Utterly clueless. You really are such a toady.
    Must be great being a Mullah. Always blame the others. What is your excuse for being so clueless ?
    All muslim countries are shitholes! No one has proven me wrong yet hear on TD.

    Heres a little good nite vid for you.


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    Fucking MEMRI - israeli intelligence outfit and this daft twat herman thinks it should be taken seriously? FFS.

    israel are brilliant at these ruses - ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi. Remember him? Head chopper and chief antagonist for a while? turned out to be Mossad agent Simon Elliot.

    You and your israel hardon - pathetic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pseudolus View Post
    Fucking MEMRI
    A nest of snakes...

    State Department beneficiary, MEMRI, is dedicated to bringing Israeli ideas about Arab world and Iran into U.S. establishment Mondoweiss

    Look at their Board of Directors and Advisors
    https://www.memri.org/about

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    Quote Originally Posted by pseudolus View Post
    Fucking MEMRI - israeli intelligence outfit and this daft twat herman thinks it should be taken seriously? FFS.

    israel are brilliant at these ruses - ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi. Remember him? Head chopper and chief antagonist for a while? turned out to be Mossad agent Simon Elliot.

    You and your israel hardon - pathetic.
    Never Mind Memri. Facts are Facts !

    "The muslims are constantly whining, lamenting, and wailing the West is conspiring against us."

    The Truth hurts!

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    US abusing UN Security Council to interfere in Iran's internal affairs – Russia
    Published time: 5 Jan, 2018

    By calling a UN Security Council meeting with the demand to support anti-government protesters in Iran, the US is trying to bend the UNSC mandate, which does not deal with countries' internal affairs, Russia's UN envoy has said.

    “We obviously regret the loss of lives as a result of the demonstrations that were not so peaceful. However, let Iran deal with its own problems, especially since this is precisely what’s taking place,” Russia's envoy to the UN Vassily Nebenzia said.

    He slammed the US for diverting attention from important international issues the UN Security Council should be addressing.

    “You are dispersing the energy of the Security Council, instead of focusing it on dealing with key crisis situations in Afghanistan, Syria Libya, Iraq, Yemen, DPRK, the African continent. Instead of that, you are proposing that we interfere in the internal affairs of a state."

    Several speakers at the Security Council pointed out that the unrest in Iran falls outside the UNSC's ambit.

    The French Ambassador to the UN, Francois Delattre, said: “However worrying the events of the last few days in Iran may be, they do not constitute per se a threat to international peace and security... We must be wary of any attempts to exploit this crisis for personal ends, which would have the diametrically opposed outcome to that which is wished.”

    And the Deputy Chinese Ambassador Liu Jieyi pointed to the UN charter: “The Iranian situation does not pose any threat on international peace or security, nor is it on the agenda of the Security Council. Discussing this domestic situation in Iran by the Council is a practice that is not in line with the Council's responsibility as outlined in the UN charter. Doing so does not help resolve the domestic issue of Iran.”

    https://www.rt.com/news/415116-un-se...il-iran-abuse/

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    "The muslims are constantly whining, lamenting, and wailing the West is conspiring against us."
    Well jeez yelleman, why on earth might an Iraqi/ Iranian/ Afghan/ Syrian/ Libyan or even Palestinian think such an awful thang? Allah only knows.
    All muslim countries are shitholes! No one has proven me wrong yet hear on TD.
    Possibly because no one listens to you? Certainly not hear [sic]
    on TD. One might conveniently divide Muslim countries into three categories.
    1- Not shitholes- Turkey, Jordan, Abu Dhabu, Kuwait, Bahrein, Qatar, Dubai, Malaysia, Indonesia, Brunei, Lebanon, Iran, Tunisia, Morocco, Saudi, Maldives, Muscat & Oman. Not comprehensive, but will do for now.
    2- Once not shitholes that we have turned, or helped turn, into shitholes- Syria, Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, probably Palestine.
    3- Shitholes. Seems to me places like Mauretania, Sudan, Somalia have always been shitholes. Yemen, in spite of it's beauty, cuisine & culture seems to have turned itself into a shithole (with able assistance from the Sauds).

    Don't know enough about the 'Stans to comment on them- some seem to be doing fine, others not. Egypt is too complex for me to categorise- I guess it depends on where you are. Kosovo- dunno.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    US abusing UN Security Council to interfere in Iran's internal affairs – Russia
    Published time: 5 Jan, 2018

    By calling a UN Security Council meeting with the demand to support anti-government protesters in Iran, the US is trying to bend the UNSC mandate, which does not deal with countries' internal affairs, Russia's UN envoy has said.
    Translation: "Oi, fuck off, it's OURS".

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    Lets start off:

    Turkei: right now the biggest jail in the world for reporters and ... ahhh.... on second thought why bother. It would take me over a week to describe these shit holes run by corrupt Sheiks, Kings, Mullahs, Islamic Politicians and Clerics.
    A skyline build and planned by foreigners, and paid by oil, does not qualify these countries from not being shitholes. Treating women like shit might be for some people here on TD o.k. but it will not exempt them from being shitheads or holes.

    These shitholes are not even able to take care of their own people in medical terms. Everything has to be acquired abroad. Some things are bought from a boycotted country called Israel. Now how low can you get?

    Maybe it has something to do with their constantly whining, lamenting, and wailing against the West.

    There is one group of people I would like to praise. Its a group of people who keep their religion in the closet. You will hardly find any of them sitting in our overcrowded jails filled with Alis, Mohameds and Co.
    You will find them in good paid job and are the kind of neighbours you wish for.
    Its a group of people (5-6million) living outside their shithole, some even willing to return. But...a shithole remains a shithole, unless you press a button called "Flush".

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    Quote Originally Posted by HermantheGerman View Post
    Never Mind Memri. Facts are Facts !

    "The muslims are constantly whining, lamenting, and wailing the West is conspiring against us."

    The Truth hurts!

    ... lol you are a pathetic hasbara bullshit merchant, aren't you? MEMRI is your source. There is no truth on MEMRI. It's why harrycvnt loves it so much. Its as full of shit as he is.

    The west are conspiring against muslims, conflating US and UK endorsed SAUD taught and trained extremists with the rest of islam. Same as the Nazis tried to say all you hook noses were all destroying the economy when it was only a few, mostly american, who were also funding hitler at the same time, working with the nazis to get israel in place.

    Truth hurts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pseudolus View Post
    MEMRI is your source.
    But the MEMRI -
    The Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI) is a nonprofit press monitoring and analysis organization... MEMRI publishes and distributes free English language translations of Arabic, Persian, Urdu, Pashto, and Turkish media reports.
    When they are a "non-profit" they are surely "non-biased" either, aren't they?

    Surely somewhere near to the muslim world, aren't they? Oh sorry:
    ...with headquarters in Washington, D.C.
    Critics charge that despite portraying itself as neutral,[5] it aims to portray the Arab and Muslim world in a negative light through the production and dissemination of incomplete translations and by selectively translating views of extremists while deemphasizing or ignoring mainstream opinions.[6]
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle...arch_Institute

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    Turkei: right now the biggest jail in the world for reporters
    Is that why so many Germans happily live and retire there? If you're expressing contempt for Erdogan, agreed fully- although unfortunately he is democratically elected, like trump, unlike the current military regime in Thailand. Turkey is far from a shithole.
    A skyline build and planned by foreigners
    Like, say, the bin Laden corporation? Do you have any idea of the amount of well paid western expats happily living in these 'shitholes' herman? Does the place with the highest average income in the world today, Qatar, qualify as a shithole? I wonder what that makes distant second Lichtenstein then.
    These shitholes are not even able to take care of their own people in medical terms.
    Yawwwn- like snatching candy from a baby's mouth.
    Standards of health care are considered to be generally high in the United Arab Emirates

    ... The World bank ranked Dubai and Abu Dhabi as being the 2nd and 3rd, respectively, most popular medical tourism destinations in the region, behind Jordan.In first half of 2015, Dubai attracted 260,000 medical tourists


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health..._Arab_Emirates


    Yes herman- the truth hurts, doesn't it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pseudolus View Post
    Utterly clueless. You really are such a toady.

    Superior Euro-defence mechanism.
    Never us. Always them.


    The usual dumbed down and conditioned masses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    But the MEMRI -

    When they are a "non-profit" they are surely "non-biased" either, aren't they?
    Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI) is a Israeli propaganda organization that selectively translates materials from the Arab/Muslim/Iranian press purportedly demonstrating hostility against Israel/Jews. According to the MEMRI web site: "MEMRI emphasizes the continuing relevance of Zionism to the Jewish people and to the state of Israel."[1] It "explores the Middle East through the region's media. MEMRI bridges the language gap which exists between the West and the Middle East, providing timely translations of Arabic, Farsi, and Hebrew media, as well as original analysis of political, ideological, intellectual, social, cultural, and religious trends in the Middle East."[2]
    According to its website, founded in February 1998 by former/current Israeli intelligence officers "to inform the debate over U.S. policy in the Middle East,
    https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.ph...titute#History

    It's a MOSSAD propaganda organisation used to stir up hatred in the middle east, and sympathy towards the brutal apartheid regime run by BIBI the Butcher.

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