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    ^The America I lived in didn't allow concealed carry, nor in most cases for guns to be taken out of the home other than to a shooting range or for hunting. Every other Walmart shopper packing is a relatively new thing.

    I didn't fuck off after Vietnam; I worked for the USG for 28 years, but was posted abroad for almost all of them.

    I retired abroad for a variety of reasons, none of them having anything to do with dislike of the US, nor with weapons for that matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton
    Every other Walmart shopper packing is a relatively new thing.
    Still not like that and you know it. You also know that people that have CCP/CWP don't usually go round killing people or cops or generally being a nuisance. Does it happen? Yeah but they are not the group to be targeting.

    Quote Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton
    I retired abroad for a variety of reasons, none of them having anything to do with dislike of the US, nor with weapons for that matter.
    Fair enough but its pretty hypocritical to mock American gun rights sitting in a country with a murderous dictator, isn't it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slick
    Do you think it would be better to have doctors be able to dictate citizens civil liberties on a whim?
    What about the liberties of those who were gunned down, is a known psycho's "right" to walk around shopping centers with a semi-automatic more important than the lives of the victims?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slick View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton
    Every other Walmart shopper packing is a relatively new thing.
    Still not like that and you know it. You also know that people that have CCP/CWP don't usually go round killing people or cops or generally being a nuisance. Does it happen? Yeah but they are not the group to be targeting.

    Quote Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton
    I retired abroad for a variety of reasons, none of them having anything to do with dislike of the US, nor with weapons for that matter.
    Fair enough but its pretty hypocritical to mock American gun rights sitting in a country with a murderous dictator, isn't it?
    We got him, you got Trump. We're all fucked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stroller
    What about the liberties of those who were gunned down, is a known psycho's "right" to walk around shopping centers with a semi-automatic more important than the lives of the victims?
    Strawman argument.

    What known 'psycho' and what known 'shopping center' and when did I say anything about the lives of the victims being any less important than anyone? What does your question have to do with doctors being able to remove americans civil liberties at will?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton
    We got him, you got Trump. We're all fucked.
    Yeah but at least we got 2A and Trump is a fan and the god given right to defend ourself free from prosecution. Im sure its easy to pick up a 1911 over there though. Probably some M19A1's floating around still. Just don't know about the legalities of it all over there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slick View Post
    What does this have to do with doctors being able to remove americans civil liberties at will?
    Nobody said anything about this but you. With the concerns of his family, his less than honorable discharge from the military, his visit to the FBI to let them know the CIA was controlling his mind, and his subsequent time in a mental institution, he should never have had a concealed carry permit, or a weapon.

    If you disagree, because he has "rights", then you are the problem.

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    Nobody has suggested doctors should be able to revoke anybody's liberties at will.
    Concealed carry is not a civil liberty, it requires a license & there are conditions to be met for it to be granted.

    The guy had undergone psychological treatment and his condition was known to the FBI.


    Edit: oops, DK was faster!

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    Quote Originally Posted by stroller
    Nobody has suggested doctors should be able to revoke anybody's liberties at will.
    Thats exactly what you guys are saying.

    Quote Originally Posted by stroller
    Concealed carry is not a civil liberty, it requires a license & there are conditions to be met for it to be granted.
    Yeah I know, I have one in the state of Florida.

    Gun ownership is a civil liberty, just to buy one requires a background check (from a dealer - even Alaska) and so does a carry permit. Both are NCIS checks. Basically to legally buy a gun, you can legally have/apply for a CWP too. States vary slightly, but its not all that different. Besides, you don't need a carry permit to travel with a firearm in checked baggage so I don't know why this is a hang up point for your guys.

    Quote Originally Posted by stroller
    The guy had undergone psychological treatment and his condition was known to the FBI.
    There is nothing saying someone undergoing psychological treatment loses their civil liberties. That shit it just ridiculous and he wasn't "known to the FBI" like a terrorist.

    Quote Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton
    If you disagree, because he has "rights", then you are the problem.
    Then I guess I'm part of the problem, as I wholeheartedly disagree with doctors having the ability to report your private medical treatment to authorities.

    Unless someone is legally adjudicated mentally unfit. I believe should be a place for some mentally unstable people to not have access to firearms, but in no way should doctors be able to do it easily, and if the feel like it. It should have to go to a court or some legal proceedings etc... This is a born god given right not to be taken away willy nilly without being able to plead your case or something.

    If it was me, I wouldn't have doctors anywhere near the constitution. No way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    yes it really is working a treat except for those silly victims who weren't packin'.

    will they ever learn?
    No one is 'packing' in the baggage claim area dickhead. They just got off the aircraft and that sort of thing is discouraged.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo View Post
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    yes it really is working a treat except for those silly victims who weren't packin'.

    will they ever learn?
    No one is 'packing' in the baggage claim area dickhead. They just got off the aircraft and that sort of thing is discouraged.
    The shooter just picked up his checked bag from the baggage claim area. He took it into the bathroom, got his gun and his loaded magazines, and came out shooting. Worked for him.

    Five dead. Eight wounded. 14 families (including his) ruined.

    But no worries, Slick, his "rights" to murder people were protected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slick
    Thats exactly what you guys are saying.
    Your reading comprehension isn't up to scratch, or perhaps you're being deliberately disingenuous - hardly worth further argument in either case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slick View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton
    We got him, you got Trump. We're all fucked.
    Yeah but at least we got 2A and Trump is a fan and the god given right to defend ourself free from prosecution. Im sure its easy to pick up a 1911 over there though. Probably some M19A1's floating around still. Just don't know about the legalities of it all over there.
    'we'? You got a socialist sjw commie called Trudo.
    "In my professional assessment as an intelligence officer, Trump has a reflexive, defensive, monumentally narcissistic personality, for whom the facts and national interest are irrelevant, and the only thing that counts is whatever gives personal advantage and directs attention to himself."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cold Pizza
    Where does it say he is a Christian?
    It did in the Latin Times but that has since been deleted. However, being Puerto Rican, there's a 93% chance he's a Christian...

    ...not that it matters one iota...

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    Doctors in the U.K. Tell on you, they tell on you to the Driving license authorities if you are unfit to drive. Going blind is just one of the reasons the Doctor will tell on you.
    And your driving license will be revoked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton View Post
    ^The America I lived in didn't allow concealed carry, nor in most cases for guns to be taken out of the home other than to a shooting range or for hunting. Every other Walmart shopper packing is a relatively new thing.

    I didn't fuck off after Vietnam; I worked for the USG for 28 years, but was posted abroad for almost all of them.

    I retired abroad for a variety of reasons, none of them having anything to do with dislike of the US, nor with weapons for that matter.
    The military by in large teaches responsibilty and respect for firearms. Mandatory military service and firearms trainning would go a long way.

    This tragic massacre in FL is a sad aberration, shows how someone unstabble can slip through the cracks.

    Sadly it is US government militaristic foreign policies and racist domestic laws which have created this climate of fear which now pervades.

    This terribly tragic improper use of a firearm is but a symptom of a much larger problem which will not be addressed by corporate media.

    RIP

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    Quote Originally Posted by stroller
    is a known psycho's "right" to walk around shopping centers with a semi-automatic more important than the lives of the victims?
    Of course it is! And you can pry my gun from my cold dead fingers.



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    Florida Gov. Scott Says He Called Trump, But Not Obama, After Fort Lauderdale Airport Shooting

    Good.

    http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2017/01/...port-shooting/

    FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. (CBSNewYork) — President-elect Donald Trump does not take office for two more weeks, but Florida Gov. Rick Scott said he talked with Trump – and not with President Barack Obama – after a shooting left five people dead at the Fort Lauderdale airport.

    “I have reached out to President-elect Trump, and spoken to him and to Vice President-elect (Mike) Pence multiple times to keep them informed, and they told me whatever resources that we need from the federal government, they would do everything in their power to make that happen,” Scott said at a news conference late Friday afternoon.

    Reporters later asked whether Scott had talked to Obama. Scott said he had not talked to the current president and said Obama had not reached out to him. He said he had not reached out to Obama either, though he had reached out to Trump and Pence multiple times.

    A reporter later asked, “Wouldn’t it be appropriate to call the president for resources?”

    “I have a personal relationship with Vice President Pence and President-elect Trump, and I reached out,” Scott said.

    Trump said in a tweet that he had also spoken with Scott.


    Another reporter asked Scott whether there should be a ban on weapons in airports. Scott said the question was not appropriate.

    “It’s horrible what happened here. It’s not time to be political. It’s a time to mourn those that lost their life, finish an investigation, and pray for everybody who is still fighting for their life,” Scott said.
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    Fort Lauderdale airport shooting suspect charged

    The man suspected of carrying out a deadly shooting at a Florida airport has been charged by prosecutors.
    Esteban Santiago, 26, is accused of opening fire on passengers at Fort Lauderdale airport , killing five people and injuring others.

    He is charged with carrying out an act of violence at an international airport resulting in death, which carries a maximum punishment of execution.
    He also faces lesser weapons charges.

    "Today's charges represent the gravity of the situation and reflect the commitment of federal, state and local law enforcement personnel to continually protect the community and prosecute those who target our residents and visitors," US Attorney Wifredo Ferrer said.

    Officials are looking whether mental health problems played a role after it emerged that the suspect had been referred for a health assessment by the FBI.
    The suspect had walked into an FBI office in Alaska in November, agitated and incoherent, the FBI and Anchorage police said.
    He was carrying a loaded magazine but had left his handgun in his car, with his newborn child.

    During the later mental health evaluation, he told the FBI he was hearing voices and believed he was being controlled by a US intelligence agency.
    His gun was confiscated but the authorities found no wrongdoing, and it was returned in December.

    Karen Loeffler, the US attorney for Alaska, told journalists: "As far as I know this is not a person that would have been prohibited from having a gun."
    She explained that federal law only allows for gun rights to be taken away from someone on mental health grounds if they are "adjudicated mentally ill".

    FBI agent George Piro said earlier that the suspect had travelled to Fort Lauderdale specifically to carry out the attack.

    There was no sign of any altercation on the flight or at the airport before the attack began, Mr Piro said.
    Mr Piro said: "We continue to look at all avenues and all motives for this horrific attack. We are continuing to look at the terrorism angle in regards to the potential motivation."

    Fort Lauderdale airport shooting suspect charged - BBC News
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    mental health problems played a role
    ..right up until he ran out of bullets
    then he regained his sanity and lay down, safely waiting to be arrested.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ENT
    Karen Loeffler, the US attorney for Alaska, told journalists: "As far as I know this is not a person that would have been prohibited from having a gun."
    As suspected. Its unfortunate but its the cost of having protected god given rights. Take any of the constitutional amendments and there will be a person or group that takes it to the absolute extreme, sometimes to the harm of others either physically or mentally.

    Quote Originally Posted by ENT
    She explained that federal law only allows for gun rights to be taken away from someone on mental health grounds if they are "adjudicated mentally ill".
    As stated before. Im a Florida resident, and they typically only follow federal level firearms laws in the State due to the Preemption Statute. Its also a crime for local governments/agencies to apply their own gun laws, on top of Federal/State law. I believe its very similar to Alaska in that regard.

    https://www.nraila.org/articles/2014...-pro-gun-bills

    https://www.floridacarry.org/issues/firearms-preemption

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Alaska

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Earl View Post



    Sadly it is US government militaristic foreign policies and racist domestic laws
    What racist laws does the U.S. Have? Give us one example.

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    Obama reacted : was organized by the russians!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo View Post
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    Sadly it is US government militaristic foreign policies and racist domestic laws
    What racist laws does the U.S. Have? Give us one example.
    The entire Nixon spawned "war on drugs" is inherently racist and disproportionately destroys minority communities. (Most of the US prison population are black/hispanic)

    But it didn't start with Nixon.

    It began back in the 30's with Harry J. Anslinger



    But actually started before that with opium prohibition which was aimed at the Chinese migrant workforce.
    The USA has a long history of racist shenanigans!

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    Sadly it is US government militaristic foreign policies and racist domestic laws
    What racist laws does the U.S. Have? Give us one example.
    " Every citizen shall have the right to bear arms and shoot nigras".

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